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Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:58 am

Some interesting news about Air France services for the next winter season.

Biggest changes compared to last winter :

A new "Dedicate" destination : NKC
Until Oct.29th, Nouakchott is served 4 x Weekly by an A332 as an intermediate stop
to CKY.
Starting Next winter, NKC will be served 5 x Weekly with an A319ER, as part of the "DEDICATE" program.

CDG-CKY-CDG will be served 4 x Weekly Nonstop both ways.

CDG-MEX-CDG
9 x Weekly : 1 x Daily B772ER + 2 x Weekly B744
AF will keep 2 of th 4 frequencies added this summer.

CDG-NRT-CDG
19 x Weekly.
1 x Daily B773ER + 1 x Daily B772ER + 5 x Weekly A332

CDG-KIX-CDG
1 x Daily B773ER

CDG-PEK-CDG
11 x Weekly : 1 x Daily B773ER + 4 x Weekly A332

CDG-CAN-CDG
5 x Weekly A332

CDG-SHA-CDG
1 x Daily B772ER

CDG-HKG-CDG
1 x Daily B772ER, then during the season B773ER.

CDG-SIN-CDG
After the success of the codeshare with QF on CDG-SIN-Australia, the agreement is renewed.
1 x Daily B773ER (Codeshare with QF/DL/OK)

CDG-SGN-CDG
Will become nonstop again.
3 x Weekly A343

CDG-HAN-CDG
Also, nonstop again.
2 x Weekly A343

CDG-DEL-CDG
1 x Daily B744

CDG-BOM-CDG
1 x Daily A343

CDG-BLR-CDG new AF destination
5 x Weekly A332

CDG-BEY-CDG
After an initial program of 4 x Weekly B772ER + 3 x Weekly A343
The program will finally be :
6 x Weekly B772ER + 1 x Weekly B773ER.
But the flight is already mentionned as a 1 x Daily B773ER in the reservation system if the demand is still increasing.

CDG-DXB-CDG
1 x Daily A332 + 5 x Weekly A332

CDG-CAI-CDG
1 x Daily B772ER + 3 x Weekly A332 (continuing to JED)

CDG-RUH-CDG
4 x Weekly A319ER "Dedicate"

CDG-JNB-CDG
3 weekly frequencies are added :
1 x Daily B744 + 3 x Weekly A343.

CDG-GRU-CDG
3 weekly frequencies added :
1 x Daily B772ER + 3 x Weekly A332

CDG-GIG-CDG
GIG keeps a 1 x Daily B744

CDG-CCS-CDG
excellent results for CCS. Keeps a 1 x Daily B744

CDG-BOG-CDG
Keeps also a 1 x Daily A343.

CDG-EZE-CDG
Keeps a 1 x Daily B772ER but the offer is increased as 4 x Weekly will be "terminus" at EZE. 3 x Weekly will continue to SCL.

CDG-SCL-CDG
3 x Weekly nonstop again B772ER + 3 x Weekly B772ER 1stop in EZE.

CDG-YUL-CDG
returns to 2 x Daily B773ER + B772ER until January. Then B773ER + A343

CDG-DTW-CDG
5 x Weekly A332

CDG-BOS-CDG
1 x Daily A343 + 4 x Weekly A343

CDG-JFK-CDG
4 x Daily (3 B772ER + 1 B773ER)

CDG-LAX-CDG
1 x Daily B772ER + 4 x Weekly B772ER + 3 x Weekly B744 (continues to PPT)

CDG-SXM-CDG
Returns to 1 x Daily A343

Another interesting news :

The configuration of AF's A380 is confirmed with 9P / 80J / 449Y ... but that's not for the next winter program yet !
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:09 am

Thanks for the update FlySSC!

Glad to see NRT getting loads of AF heavies!

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
CDG-SHA-CDG
1 x Daily B772ER

Don't AF operate to PVG?  Yeah sure

Will CAN ever go daily?

Any news on NGO or BKK?

Rob!  Smile
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:11 am

Thanks for the update!! No sensational news here, but a solid and intensive program for the CDG hub.

Of course I am excited about the 773 on the BEY route... Already booked some flights on the 773 in the coming months.

A bientôt
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Don't AF operate to PVG?

Sorry... blush 

NGO is a codeshare flight with JL (operated by JL's B772)

BKK will return 1 x Daily A343, as the flights will not continue anymore to SGN or HAN.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:24 am

Thanks for the news, very interesting.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
CDG-JNB-CDG
3 weekly frequencies are added :
1 x Daily B744 + 3 x Weekly A343.

Are the additional flights daytime flights by any chance (at least in one direction)?

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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:30 am

Interesting about NKC.Which industries is AF targetting with that?
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:31 am

Thanks for the News SSC, looks like a reasonable but thriving schedule.

How have the loads been on BEY lately?

Cheers,

P
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 4):
Are the additional flights daytime flights by any chance (at least in one direction)?

No ... Both are night flights

-2-4-6- AF992 CDG.18h55 ---> JNB.06h45 A343
1234567 AF990 CDG.23h15 ---> JNB.10h50 B744



1234567 AF995 JNB.20h45 ---> CDG.06h15 B744
--3-5-7 AF997 JNB.22h15 ---> CDG.08h05 A343
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting Donder10 (Reply 5):
Interesting about NKC.Which industries is AF targetting with that?

simple : O I L
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
CDG-DEL-CDG
1 x Daily B744

CDG-BOM-CDG
1 x Daily A343

CDG-BLR-CDG new AF destination
5 x Weekly A332

What are the schedules for these flights?
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 9):
What are the schedules for these flights?

1234567 AF148 CDG.10h25 ---> DEL.22h55 B744
1234567 AF147 DEL.01h25 ---> CDG.05h50 B744


1234567 AF134 CDG.10h30 ---> BOM.23h35 A343
1234567 AF135 BOM.02h40 ---> CDG.08h00 A343


1-3-567 AF192 CDG.11h00 ---> BLR 00h55 A332
12-4-67 AF191 BLR.02h25 ---> CDG.08h45 A332
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:53 am

FlySSC, Thank you!!!
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:16 am

FlySSC,

YUL will remain 773 and 772 (with a brief 343 stint during the christmas period).

This is what is loaded currently in reservation systems,

AF 344 0 CDG
02/09/06 01:15PM YUL
02/09/06 02:55PM 77W
P8 F4 A0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Z9 O6 Y9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 X0 L0 N0 G0 U0

AF 346 0 CDG
02/09/06 03:55PM YUL
02/09/06 05:45PM 772 MS
P0 F0 A0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Z9 O4 Y9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V0 X0 L0 N0 G0 U0
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:17 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
No ... Both are night flights

-2-4-6- AF992 CDG.18h55 ---> JNB.06h45 A343
1234567 AF990 CDG.23h15 ---> JNB.10h50 B744



1234567 AF995 JNB.20h45 ---> CDG.06h15 B744
--3-5-7 AF997 JNB.22h15 ---> CDG.08h05 A343

Thanks for posting the schedule!

Patrick
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:32 am

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 12):
YUL will remain 773 and 772 (with a brief 343 stint during the christmas period).

Right. An A343 will operate AF346 until January 1st, then a B772ER operate AF346 again.

The A343 offers more capacity in Y, less J and no P as the demand during the Christmas holidays is lower in those classes.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:42 am

FlySSC, are there to be any changes to the "Dedicate" service for KWI?? I have used the KWI-CDG A319LR service several times and was left very impressed, hopefully the service will continue...
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:43 am

  • BLR is Bangalore, India, right? Good to see AF expanding into the sub-continent.
  • Will CAN eventually see the A343 again, or is the flight going to stay an A332?
  • Good to see SXM back to daily on the A343...
  • What's up with BEY? 772s and 773s? They must be a huge destination demand-wise; is that more business or leisure demand?
Scotty doesn't know...
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:56 am

BHMNONREV,

KWI will continue to be served 3 x Weekly next winter.
Frequencies should be increased when AF will receive its 5th A319ER.

Quoting San747 (Reply 16):
BLR is Bangalore, India, right? Good to see AF expanding into the sub-continent.

Right. BLR is Bangalore; AF also codeshares with Delta on CDG-MAA (operated by a DL B763).
Hyderabad will be also opened, but by KLM from AMS.

Quoting San747 (Reply 16):
What's up with BEY? 772s and 773s? They must be a huge destination demand-wise; is that more business or leisure demand?

CDG-BEY is a very successful line for both AF & MEA. All the flights (3 x Daily) are codeshared AF/ME.
In summer, AF/ME fly 2 x A332 (ME) + 1 B777 (2ER or 3ER - AF- ) Daily + an extra weekly AF B777 on Fridays.

3 x Daily frequencies are also operated in winter : 1 x A332 (ME) + 1 x A321 (ME) + 1 x B777 (2ER/3ER AF), with a high demand in P & J.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:57 am

Wow about Beirut. That means there are 709 seats per day on the Paris - Beirut route.

MEA's daily A321-200 red-eye flight, MEA's daily A330-200 morning flight, and now Air France's daily 777 flight which has been upgraded to a Boeing 777-300ER! That's not including Star Airlines' 2x weekly (3x weekly in the summer) A320-200 flights. I wonder how they are fairing...

I know MEA wants to get a 4th A330-200 so they can upgrade the service to 2 daily A330-200s. I believe the plan is aimed for next year.

FlySSC,

Exactly when does the Beirut flight get upgraded to the 773ER?

San747,

If you take a look at this picture taken last summer, you will see an Air France 777-200ER and an Air France 747-400 parked side by side in Beirut airport. I think you can get an idea of how much demand there is on this route:
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=361036

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting BA (Reply 18):
Exactly when does the Beirut flight get upgraded to the 773ER?

Officially, if you look in "Alpha3", the AF's system, the flight should be Daily operated by a B773ER ... In reality, a B772ER is programmed everyday except on sunday (B773ER). But there again, it is very easy for AF to switch from a B772ER to 3ER at the "last minute" (Same cockpit & Cabin crew) if the demand is high, like during Christmas holidays.

Quoting BA (Reply 18):
If you take a look at this picture taken last summer, you will see an Air France 777-200ER and an Air France 747-400 parked side by side in Beirut airport

The B744 was operating the extra weekly summer flight (AF562) last year. It was operated by a "smaller" B772ER this year but the regular daily AF566 was often operated by a B773ER to increase the offer.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:09 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):
The B744 was operating the extra weekly summer flight (AF562) last year. It was operated by a "smaller" B772ER this year but the regular daily AF566 was often operated by a B773ER to increase the offer.

Yup, I don't think BEY will be getting anymore AF 744s since they now don't have an F cabin. Or perhaps there is another reason.

Didn't AF operate an extra 777 on Fridays AND Sundays this summer?

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:50 am

Any plans on scheduled services to Kuala Lumpur? I thought they were seriously considering adding KUL to its network at some point last year/early this year.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:46 am

Why are they returning Vietnam to nonstops after trying the nonstops, and resuming one stops through BKK?
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:55 am

Will AF ever bring the 777-300ER to SFO? We are flying CDG - SFO at Christmas time and I was wondering what type of aircraft it will be? Thanks!

els
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:13 am

what about ORD? What will AF continue to ops?
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:35 am

CDG-MIA-CDG also sees an extra three flights a week with A340-300s, this year it will operate FrSaSu in addition to the daily 747-400 and 3x weekly A320s to CAY via PAP/PTP/FDF.
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:27 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
CDG-SCL-CDG
3 x Weekly nonstop again B772ER + 3 x Weekly B772ER 1stop in EZE.

Will this become the longest non stop flight for AF?

Are you coming?

Regards )(
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:35 pm

It's too bad AF is reducing frequencies to DTW. Maybe northwest will pick them up. I know it's just for the winter season, but why do they not choose to fly on Sundays. That's probably one of the most important days. people from europe can get home before monday, yet, people going to france can arrive on monday morning. That would seem very sensible.
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 27):
It's too bad AF is reducing frequencies to DTW. Maybe northwest will pick them up.

Northwest will not pick them up. They've even reduced DTW-CDG frequencies in the past. Demand between Detroit and Europe drops off heavily in the winter. It's nothing surprising, the 5x weekly cutback was set before the service started/
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:43 pm

Why does AF fly once daily to BEY? And why with a 777? Is there that mcuh demand in First Classs and International Business Class?

I though most European airlines thought of Lebanon (and Israel) like other Near East (and North African) countries as being treated as intra-continental or "European" routes, operating them with narrowbody aircraft like the 737/757/32S. I guess that the aversion to most European carriers "substandard" 5-abreast European Business Class [when compared to 4-abreast American Domestic First Class] is a reason why AF is operating with a premium intercontinentally configured aircraft.
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:19 pm

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 29):
Why does AF fly once daily to BEY?

Actually, AF flies three times daily to BEY as a result of their code-share agreement with MEA. MEA operates a daily A321-200 and a daily A330-200. Plus you have Air France's daily 777 flight.

MEA is planning to upgrade their service to twice daily A330-200 service next year.

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 29):
And why with a 777?

Try finding a seat, and you'll know why.

It partly has to do with the large Lebanese community in your country, Canada (mainly Montreal).

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 29):
Is there that mcuh demand in First Classs and International Business Class?

Yes, that is the main reason why Air France flies the 777 to Beirut instead of the A340, because of extremely high First and Business Class demand (AF's A340s no longer are equipped with First Class).

The premium cabins fill up very quickly.

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 29):
I though most European airlines thought of Lebanon (and Israel) like other Near East (and North African) countries as being treated as intra-continental or "European" routes, operating them with narrowbody aircraft like the 737/757/32S.

To Beirut, British Airways flies A320/A321s, Lufthansa flies A320/A321s (A300s in the summer), KLM flies 738/739s, Alitalia flies A320s, Iberia flies A319s (757s in the summer), Austrian flies A320/A321s (they'll be bringing 73Gs also this winter), and SAS flies A321s.

Even though they operate on small aircraft, they all are considered intercontinental routes and thus are operated by intercontinental staff and of course have better service than intra-Europe routes.

Air France's Beirut route is operated by long-haul staff and the service is like a regular long-haul flight.

FlySSC can elaborate, but a while ago he mentioned that Luanda, Angola and Beirut, Lebanon are Air France's highest yielding routes in their entire network.

Don't forget that Lebanon was a former French colony and that France has a very large Lebanese population. This plus the excellent connections to North America, and the code-share agreement with MEA is the reason why there is very high demand on the Paris - Beirut route.

Regards
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:28 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):

Starting Next winter, NKC will be served 5 x Weekly with an A319ER, as part of the "DEDICATE" program.

Seat arrangement for this A319ER ?

What is this Dedicate program ?

Thanks,
E.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:35 pm

I'm surprised to see that AF isn't increasing frequencies to either DEL or BOM like BA is doing (LHR-BOM going 14x weekly Winter 2005 and LHR-DEL going 14x weekly Summer 2006 because the Indo-French ASA allows for a lot of flights, or are they waiting for the A380?), because AF147/148 was packed when I flew it. But it was a A343 back last summer - AF is rather convinient for travllers going to the eastern part of the US though I will reserve my comments on CDG.
Great to hear the CDG-BLR is getting added to the AF network, hopefully the flight will work well and get upgraded soon enough. After all the French do have some colonial links (not very memorable) with that part of the world.
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:51 pm

Quoting Eha (Reply 31):
What is this Dedicate program ?

Thanks,
E.

It's a business program linking CDG to "Oil destinations" in Africa and the Midwest. They use mostly (only ?) 319ERs on these lines.

http://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/F...=ccccaddfgjkjfhecefecekedgfndfkk.0 (see at the bottom of the page, in French)

This is also a part of their petroleum club program, a fidelity program created specially for "oil workers" ...

Anyone got news about their European and national networks ? What about CDG-YYZ flights ? Any changes after the accident (loads are still high or getting lower) ?

[Edited 2005-08-22 09:52:39]

[Edited 2005-08-22 09:55:29]
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:32 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
CDG-GRU-CDG
3 weekly frequencies added :
1 x Daily B772ER + 3 x Weekly A332

CDG-GIG-CDG
GIG keeps a 1 x Daily B744

Is the added service for GRU also NEV? Great news for GRU. Competition is really getting strong with AF serving GRU-CDG 10 weekly, JJ 14 weekly and RG 7 weekly.

Rgs,
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:37 pm

Do you have any information about new short-haul destinations?

KRK is looking for more SkyTeam presence, either Air France or KLM would be most welcome to start service. Right now it is a Star fortress with Alitalia and CSA trying to sneak in through the backdoor.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:43 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
Why are they returning Vietnam to nonstops after trying the nonstops, and resuming one stops through BKK?

Flights to HAN & SGN went again with one stop in BKK during the summer for two reasons :

This is the "bad" season in Viet-Nam & Air France needed an aircraft to open the third DAILY flight to NRT.
It was said since the beginning that the nonstop flights will return next winter.

Quoting SFOerik (Reply 23):
We are flying CDG - SFO at Christmas time and I was wondering what type of aircraft it will be? Thanks!

SFO will be DAILY served with an A343, offering the "NEV" (Nouveaux espaces de Voyage) configuration.

Quoting LFutia (Reply 24):
what about ORD? What will AF continue to ops?

Daily A343 to ORD.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 26):
Will this become the longest non stop flight for AF?

YES CDG-SCL-CDG will be, indeed, the longest Nonstop AF Flight (11652km/7240mi/6291nm)

Quoting BA (Reply 30):
Don't forget that Lebanon was a former French colony

Hmmm ... Lebanon was not really a "Colony", like were the countries in west Africa.
Lebanon (and Syria) were a "Protectorat". Placed under the "protection" of France by the International Community, while Jordan and Palestine were under the British "Protection".
All the Lebanese born before 1943 could have the French Citizenship, and after the Independance in 1943 and especially after 1975 during the civil war
All the Lebanese that could justify to have a parent or Grand-parent with the French Citizenship could apply for the French Citizenship or/and French Passport for themselves. That's why so many Lebanese, have the double Citizenship French/Lebanese.

Quoting Eha (Reply 31):
Seat arrangement for this A319ER ?

They have a 28J / 54Y Configuration. See some pictures of the cabin there :
http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fau....pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

Quoting Cricket (Reply 32):
After all the French do have some colonial links (not very memorable) with that part of the world.

Right. Pondichéry still has quite a big Francophone community and lot of commercial and cultural links with France.

Quoting YULMRS (Reply 33):
What about CDG-YYZ flights ? Any changes after the accident (loads are still high or getting lower) ?

YYZ remains a DAILY A343, AF358/AF359.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:40 pm

How about HAV. I think they are going daily in winter with a 744,
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 37):
How about HAV. I think they are going daily in winter with a 744,

Yes. In winter, CDG-HAV-CDG returns to Daily/Nonstop B744.

The Dominican republic is also served Daily/Nonstop with a B744 :

CDG-SDQ-CDG = 3 x Weekly
CDG-PUJ-CDG = 4 x Weekly
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:27 pm

Thanks a lot for the very interesting topic, FlySSC! I really appreciate your factual input and high quality topics!

Regards
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:27 pm

Are the JFK flights AF0006/7 the 77W?

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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:39 pm

Will PPT keep the 744? When will F be dropped?
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 34):
Is the added service for GRU also NEV?

Yes. "NEV" service on the A332 to GRU should start on January 6th ... normally  crossfingers 



Quoting SafetyDude (Reply 40):
Are the JFK flights AF0006/7 the 77W?

Right. AF006/007 remain a B77W.

Quoting Konrad (Reply 35):
KRK is looking for more SkyTeam presence, either Air France or KLM would be most welcome to start service.

Until last year, AF was codesharing with LOT on CDG-KRK-CDG (as well as CDG-WAW-CDG). But the codeshre agreement ended after LOT joined the Star Alliance ...  Sad
For the moment, AF offers CDG-KRK-CDG via PRG with CSA.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:48 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 41):
Will PPT keep the 744? When will F be dropped?

YES. First class will be offered on CDG-LAX-PPT until January 18th.
Starting January 20th, AF will use a B744 with the "NEV" config. on AF070 CDG-LAX-PPT, offring only J and Y Class.

Half of the B744 (8 a/c) has already been configured with the new "NEV" steats. All the B744 and A343 fleet should be completely reconfigured by mid-2006.
Two different config. for the B744 :
17J/457Y (including 57 "S" or "Alizée Class at the upper deck)
or
40J/393Y (Including 57Y at the upper deck).
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:34 am

Still nothing for poor ol' Kuala Lumpur.

Just as well this FPoo Gold member is defecting to Star or Oneworld. Have just booked 2 rtn Biz flights with LH and BA (connecting on to MH at SIN) to try both out before the end of this year to weigh the pros/cons of each FFP before saying 'sayonara' to AF/KL after decades!

The A380 layout is hardly surprising... bars/shops/gym on the A380 - well it was nice to dream so but at the end of the day - they're all gonna pack us in like sardines or rather anchovies...
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:39 am

Quoting BA (Reply 30):
To Beirut... SAS flies A321s.

Even though they operate on small aircraft, they all are considered intercontinental routes and thus are operated by intercontinental staff and of course have better service than intra-Europe routes.

I don't know about the SK flights from CPH, but between ARN-BEY they operate a B738 in their Snowflake low-cost/sardine/no frills configuration.
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RE: Air France Winter News

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The configuration of AF's A380 is confirmed with 9P / 80J / 449Y ... but that's not for the next winter program yet !

That is interesting... A380 are in high density configuration, even if they have F class. Does that mean they will be used on AF "Sun" destinations? (MIA, GIG, West Indies)
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:51 am

any word on PHL. Will it drop down to 5x weekly like last winter or will it stay at a daily service?
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:12 pm

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 47):
any word on PHL

PHL will drop to 5 x Weekly A332, like DTW and like last winter.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 46):
That is interesting... A380 are in high density configuration

9P/80J/449Y is not a high density configuration !!!
First flights will take the AF A380 to JFK, YUL, NRT.
 
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RE: Air France Winter News

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:22 pm

It's maybe a little bit off topic, but AF was rumored to start a 3 weekly AMS-JFK this year with a 744 Freighter. Any news about that?

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