ewrlovr
Posts: 22
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:40 am

Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:42 pm

Has anyone ever wondered why their isn't any service to europe from lga? especially since airlines like continental and eos use or will use the 757 to places like stockholm, london and places like that. lga has 757s all the time but none go to europe. why is that? and wouldn't that be great to fly to places like london from laguardia? thanks for your responses!!!
 
EI321
Posts: 4788
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:43 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:44 pm

Dosent LGA have big weight restrictions
 
crogalski
Posts: 477
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 8:09 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:44 pm

Because JFK is 8 miles away?

No idea.. LGA is a delay heaven, that could be one of the reasons maybe?
A319 A320 A321 A330 B717 B727 B737 B747 B757 B767 CRJ200 CRJ700 CRJ900 DC9 E145 E190 MD88 Q400 | AA AB B6 CO DL EI FL NK
 
crogalski
Posts: 477
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 8:09 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:45 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Dosent LGA have big weight restrictions

Oh yeah, they also have a curfew until OCT

no flights can operate from 0001 until 0600L
A319 A320 A321 A330 B717 B727 B737 B747 B757 B767 CRJ200 CRJ700 CRJ900 DC9 E145 E190 MD88 Q400 | AA AB B6 CO DL EI FL NK
 
JRadier
Posts: 3943
Joined: Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:36 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:47 pm

Does LGA even have Immigration? As the traffic is from the US (domestic) and from Canada (pre-immigration) it isn't really needed.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and ther
 
MAH4546
Posts: 24557
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:51 pm

Four responses and the main reason hasn't been cited yet: perimter restrictions. LGA can't have flights outside of a 1,500mi radius with the exception of flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver. In addition, LGA is an international airport, but has no customs/immigration, so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.
a.
 
exFATboy
Posts: 1887
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:15 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:53 pm

Lots of reasons:
weight restrictions
curfew
perimeter rule (although I'm not sure if that technically covers flights outside the US)
no capacity for additional flights (airlines would have to shift domestic flying to JFK or EWR to free up space at LGA)

Single biggest reason, though, is the lack of customs & immigration facilities and the fact that - at least in the Central Terminal - there's nowhere to put one, and with the extensive facilities of JFK only 12.6 miles away (according to Mapblast), there's no reason to modify LGA for transcons.
 
drerx7
Posts: 4218
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:19 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:54 pm

Runways too short in addition to the number of other reasons why is shouldn't and couldn't be done.
Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
 
keno
Posts: 1809
Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:46 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.

The same reason why you don't see LGA-Mexico, LGA-Central America, LGA-South America etc.

In theory it's possible for an airline to serve Dublin & Shannon because of the custom/immigration pre-clearance in Ireland. That's as far as a European service could happen.
 
MAH4546
Posts: 24557
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting KEno (Reply 8):
In theory it's possible for an airline to serve Dublin & Shannon because of the custom/immigration pre-clearance in Ireland.

Only customs pre-clears in Ireland; you still have to go through immigration in the US, but you can skip past customs.
a.
 
User avatar
airzim
Posts: 1214
Joined: Wed Jun 20, 2001 7:40 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Only customs pre-clears in Ireland; you still have to go through immigration in the US, but you can skip past customs.

Actually it is the other way around. You preclear immigration in SNN or DUB, but you still have to go through customs upon arrival in the US.
 
scamp
Posts: 616
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:48 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:01 am

Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.
If it pisses off the right, I'm all for it.
 
727LOVER
Posts: 6652
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:22 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:02 am

Who flies LGA-AUA? -----filler----
Love Trumps Hate
 
mikephotos
Posts: 2887
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2000 12:52 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:19 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
Who flies LGA-AUA? -----filler----

US, on Saturdays nonstop.

Mike
 
ltbewr
Posts: 12391
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:06 am

The perimiter rule is the main one today so to target LGA for regional air traffic and longer range to JFK and EWR. All 3 are under the PA of NY/NJ jurisdiction. Ironically in the earlierest days of LGA, at the Marine Ocean Terminal now used by the Delta Shuttle services, was where Pan Am operated their flying boat services to Europe, the Carribbean and South America until the outbreak of WWII. When Idlewild/JFK airport was opened in the late 1940's/early 1950's, and flying boat services were no longer offered, almost all international and long distance flights were then transferred to there (and some to EWR).
 
drerx7
Posts: 4218
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:19 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

A Continental MD80 went off the end of the runway as well. I've flown the DL L10 out of LGA bound for ATL--quite the interesting take-off. Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.
Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
 
timz
Posts: 6101
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 1999 7:43 am

RE: No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 15):
Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.

Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?
 
fraspotter
Posts: 1972
Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 8:12 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

Whoever said anything about 777?
"Drunk drivers run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
 
drerx7
Posts: 4218
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:19 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 16):
Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?

You're right--I stand corrected; it must not be an operational reason. Actually LGA's runways are 5ft longer at that. COs OGG-EWR run is roughly about 1500 to 2000 miles longer than LGA-LGW/CDG. Well forget what I was talking about.
 boxedin 
Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
 
timz
Posts: 6101
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 1999 7:43 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:02 am

CO flies OGG-EWR? That is startling-- I was just thinking of OGG to ORD?, DFW and IAH.
 
positiverate
Posts: 1543
Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 10:35 pm

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...
 
drerx7
Posts: 4218
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:19 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 19):
CO flies OGG-EWR? That is startling-- I was just thinking of OGG to ORD?, DFW and IAH.

Oops--I meant HNL-EWR--OGG-to ORD is the longest at about 4100 miles--a little bit longer than a LGA-LON run. Hour 8 of work is starting to get to me.

[Edited 2005-08-22 22:22:47]
Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
 
scamp
Posts: 616
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:48 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 20):
By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...

You are absolutely correct, fully loaded and fully fueled 757s and widebodies depart on 7000 foot long runways for 3000-plus mile journeys every hot summer day, all day long, without so much as a quiver. What was I thinking?
If it pisses off the right, I'm all for it.
 
legendDC9
Posts: 458
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:24 am

RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:03 pm

That's what LGA needs, more flights...

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], CM767, deltal1011man, DeltaXNA, Gemuser, Google [Bot], Jetty, maccomando111, mikegigs, PSU.DTW.SCE, RixAv, sq256, SXDFC, Tokushima, Web500sjc and 331 guests