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Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:42 pm

Has anyone ever wondered why their isn't any service to europe from lga? especially since airlines like continental and eos use or will use the 757 to places like stockholm, london and places like that. lga has 757s all the time but none go to europe. why is that? and wouldn't that be great to fly to places like london from laguardia? thanks for your responses!!!
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:44 pm

Dosent LGA have big weight restrictions
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:44 pm

Because JFK is 8 miles away?

No idea.. LGA is a delay heaven, that could be one of the reasons maybe?
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:45 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Dosent LGA have big weight restrictions

Oh yeah, they also have a curfew until OCT

no flights can operate from 0001 until 0600L
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:47 pm

Does LGA even have Immigration? As the traffic is from the US (domestic) and from Canada (pre-immigration) it isn't really needed.
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:51 pm

Four responses and the main reason hasn't been cited yet: perimter restrictions. LGA can't have flights outside of a 1,500mi radius with the exception of flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver. In addition, LGA is an international airport, but has no customs/immigration, so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:53 pm

Lots of reasons:
weight restrictions
curfew
perimeter rule (although I'm not sure if that technically covers flights outside the US)
no capacity for additional flights (airlines would have to shift domestic flying to JFK or EWR to free up space at LGA)

Single biggest reason, though, is the lack of customs & immigration facilities and the fact that - at least in the Central Terminal - there's nowhere to put one, and with the extensive facilities of JFK only 12.6 miles away (according to Mapblast), there's no reason to modify LGA for transcons.
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:54 pm

Runways too short in addition to the number of other reasons why is shouldn't and couldn't be done.
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.

The same reason why you don't see LGA-Mexico, LGA-Central America, LGA-South America etc.

In theory it's possible for an airline to serve Dublin & Shannon because of the custom/immigration pre-clearance in Ireland. That's as far as a European service could happen.
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting KEno (Reply 8):
In theory it's possible for an airline to serve Dublin & Shannon because of the custom/immigration pre-clearance in Ireland.

Only customs pre-clears in Ireland; you still have to go through immigration in the US, but you can skip past customs.
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Only customs pre-clears in Ireland; you still have to go through immigration in the US, but you can skip past customs.

Actually it is the other way around. You preclear immigration in SNN or DUB, but you still have to go through customs upon arrival in the US.
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:01 am

Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:02 am

Who flies LGA-AUA? -----filler----
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:19 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
Who flies LGA-AUA? -----filler----

US, on Saturdays nonstop.

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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:06 am

The perimiter rule is the main one today so to target LGA for regional air traffic and longer range to JFK and EWR. All 3 are under the PA of NY/NJ jurisdiction. Ironically in the earlierest days of LGA, at the Marine Ocean Terminal now used by the Delta Shuttle services, was where Pan Am operated their flying boat services to Europe, the Carribbean and South America until the outbreak of WWII. When Idlewild/JFK airport was opened in the late 1940's/early 1950's, and flying boat services were no longer offered, almost all international and long distance flights were then transferred to there (and some to EWR).
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

A Continental MD80 went off the end of the runway as well. I've flown the DL L10 out of LGA bound for ATL--quite the interesting take-off. Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.
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RE: No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 15):
Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.

Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

Whoever said anything about 777?
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 16):
Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?

You're right--I stand corrected; it must not be an operational reason. Actually LGA's runways are 5ft longer at that. COs OGG-EWR run is roughly about 1500 to 2000 miles longer than LGA-LGW/CDG. Well forget what I was talking about.
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:02 am

CO flies OGG-EWR? That is startling-- I was just thinking of OGG to ORD?, DFW and IAH.
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...
 
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 19):
CO flies OGG-EWR? That is startling-- I was just thinking of OGG to ORD?, DFW and IAH.

Oops--I meant HNL-EWR--OGG-to ORD is the longest at about 4100 miles--a little bit longer than a LGA-LON run. Hour 8 of work is starting to get to me.

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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 20):
By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...

You are absolutely correct, fully loaded and fully fueled 757s and widebodies depart on 7000 foot long runways for 3000-plus mile journeys every hot summer day, all day long, without so much as a quiver. What was I thinking?
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RE: Why No Service To Europe From Lga

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:03 pm

That's what LGA needs, more flights...

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