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Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:38 am

Hi all,

I was just browsing on the airlinemeals.net website and I noticed that Virgin Blue and Virgin Express are serving Coca Cola products, but Virgin Atlantic is serving Virgin Coke.

Why don't all Virgin airlines serve Virgin drinks? Is VS the only airline in the world which serves Virgin drinks onboard?

Just curious!

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:53 am

Perhaps because they suck?
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:54 am

Virgin Coke sucks back?
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting LHZXF (Reply 1):
Perhaps because they suck?

I can't comment because I never drunk it (unfortunately).

But when only Virgin Coke is onboard, the people have to drink it (and pay for it at least on Virgin Express and Virgin Blue) when they want to have a coke.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:01 am

I couldn't say the last time I seen virgin coke in a store in the UK. Perhaps more popular in mainland Europe?
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting LHZXF (Reply 4):
I couldn't say the last time I seen virgin coke in a store in the UK.

I was wondering myself about this, I looked in shops in London, Manchester, and Birmingham but I couldn't find it anywhere. When I asked: "Do you sell Virgin Coke?", everyone told me: "No, sorry".

Quoting LHZXF (Reply 4):
Perhaps more popular in mainland Europe?

I never saw it in shops in other European countries either. Damn, I want to drink this stuff one day, I am already searching long enough for it!  Angry

Patrick

PS. Or Branson is serving it on VS only because he wants that I buy a plane ticket.  Wink
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:17 am

Quoting LHZXF (Reply 1):
Perhaps because they suck?

I agree- Virgin Cola tastes like flat RC Cola in the USA!!!

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:35 am

Not sure about the initial question of this thread (sorry)- but when I was on VS and had the Virgin Diet Cola I thought it was pretty good.. kind of like a British thing, almost. It seems like everything tastes different in Europe (well.. at least London)- even the ketchup and BBQ sauce taste the same... (no offence intended). So once again, maybe it's just a british kind of way of making it or something...

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:47 am

Virgin Cola is not part of Virgin group, just a franchise of the Virgin brand, so there is no automatic reason to use it on board particuarly if a competitor is offering a better deal.
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 8):
Virgin Cola is not part of Virgin group, just a franchise of the Virgin brand, so there is no automatic reason to use it on board particuarly if a competitor is offering a better deal.

Ahhhh.... thanks for the information, now it makes sense!

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:51 am

I brought a 6 pack home with me and saved the cans  biggrin  BTW, I got it in a Tescos. I also had it at a pub next to FAB.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
Why don't all Virgin airlines serve Virgin drinks?

It is because Virgin does not own all the Virgin airlines.

They don't own Virgin Blue and they don't own Virgin Express (they have minority holdings), and I think their stake in Virgin Nigeria is limited to 49%.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:44 am

I bought it in a 7/11 (convinience store) here in San Diego (USA). Surprised to see it there. It tasted ok...I noticed that it had half the sugar content of Coke. Which is pretty good. Coke is REALLY sweet.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:53 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 11):
It is because Virgin does not own all the Virgin airlines.

They don't own Virgin Blue and they don't own Virgin Express (they have minority holdings), and I think their stake in Virgin Nigeria is limited to 49%.

Ah, I didn't know that!

Ok, your reply combined with the following reply makes actually sense:

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 8):
Virgin Cola is not part of Virgin group, just a franchise of the Virgin brand, so there is no automatic reason to use it on board particuarly if a competitor is offering a better deal.

But when I even only have a minority holding or a "franchise" in any of these companies, I would make sure that both of them sell combined as many of my products as possible, or?

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:00 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 13):
But when I even only have a minority holding or a "franchise" in any of these companies, I would make sure that both of them sell combined as many of my products as possible, or?

Why would "Patrick Inc.", as the central brand name, demand that a franchise (Patrick Cola) sells to a franchise (Patrick Belgian Airlines)?

You, "Patrick Inc.", would not earn any more money, you would still get the same franchise fee from each company.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:06 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
Why would "Patrick Inc.", as the central brand name, demand that a franchise (Patrick Cola) sells to a franchise (Patrick Belgian Airlines)?

You, "Patrick Inc.", would not earn any more money, you would still get the same franchise fee from each company.

That makes economical sense but I would just love it when the name of my company can be seen on every product.  Wink

Seriously, you are right.

Thanks again for all the replies!

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:43 am

I didn't even know Virgin Cola was still in production ... here in Oz they promoted it many many years ago and then nothing happened.

On DJ flights at least, only Coca-Cola products are sold.
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:44 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
Why would "Patrick Inc.", as the central brand name, demand that a franchise (Patrick Cola) sells to a franchise (Patrick Belgian Airlines)?

You, "Patrick Inc.", would not earn any more money, you would still get the same franchise fee from each company.

Depends on how the license was structured  Smile

It's not inconceiveable (to me, at least) that a portion of the franchise/license fee would be based on percentage of gross revenues... In which case it would make tons of sense for Lincolnco to make Lincoln Airlines purchase Lincoln Cola as a condition of license, and I would then have additional income from those purchases and, indirectly, disadvantage the cola franchisee's compeitiors (by slightly reducing market share, not earning the revenue from the sale of product to Lincoln Airlines) and strengthening trhe position of the cola franchise  Smile

No... I have no formal business education so this may be implausable in so many ways, but...

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 17):
It's not inconceiveable (to me, at least) that a portion of the franchise/license fee would be based on percentage of gross revenues.

It is not inconceivable. Some franchises probably do operate that way.

With the Virgin Group, it gets incredibly complex, though. Where would, for example, Virgin Money stand in all this, and would it apply to all countries where the franchise exists?

If Patrick Corporation (who own Virgin Blue, at least at the moment) decided they could make more money selling Koala Cola instead of Virgin Cola, I doubt SRB would have stood in their way.

Note that Virgin Blue may not use the "Virgin" part outside Australia because Singapore doesn't want any brand dilution of Virgin Atlantic.

So the NZ and Pacific services of Virgin Blue are operated by Pacific Blue. Since SRB doesn't own either of them (at the moment), why should Pacific Blue sell Virgin Cola?

It gets complicated.  Smile

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:39 pm

Virgin coke rocks!!! Closely followed by Coca Cola. Pepsi just plain sucks.
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:36 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 16):
I didn't even know Virgin Cola was still in production ... here in Oz they promoted it many many years ago and then nothing happened.

On DJ flights at least, only Coca-Cola products are sold.

Thats what I thought. I can say that I can never remember seeing the grey bottles over here. I have never flown DJ to comment on what they serve on board. I am a QF person. I think they serve Coke on board too. Can't be sure, I only drink somethng with a % vol on the label.
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:18 pm

Not really aviation, but also I noticed that they don't sell Virgin Cola anymore in all of their Virgin Megastores in the USA ... I wonder why?
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
Virgin Atlantic is serving Virgin Coke.

The term Coke as used for a soft drink is trademarked by The Coca-Cola Company and cannot be used for any other brand name. Hence it is Virgin Cola. Just a technicality there

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 12):
I noticed that it had half the sugar content of Coke. Which is pretty good.

Check again that you weren't comparing a bottle of Virgin Cola, which will list the sugar content of an 8 oz serving, to a can of Coca-Cola which will list a 12 oz serving. It is better to compare two plastic bottles.

BTW, anyone else think that the reason Virgin Cola is used on VS and not the others is that it is more easily catered in the UK than anywhere else and the other two airlines are not UK based?

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:26 pm

Well if you want to drink Virgin Cola, you have to go to Tunisia. There you will find Virgin Colas in all colors  Wink
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
The term Coke as used for a soft drink is trademarked by The Coca-Cola Company and cannot be used for any other brand name. Hence it is Virgin Cola. Just a technicality there

You are right, I should actually know that. It happened to me very often in the USA that I ordered a "coke" but then the waiter told me sometimes: "Sorry, we don't have Coke, only Pepsi". Here in Germany we don't make a big deal about this, we just order a "Cola" and don't care if it is Coca-Cola or Pepsi (or even Afri).

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
BTW, anyone else think that the reason Virgin Cola is used on VS and not the others is that it is more easily catered in the UK than anywhere else and the other two airlines are not UK based?

That could be also a reason, I can't imagine that they send Virgin Cola to Belgium and Australia only to sell the stuff on Virgin planes.

Patrick

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Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 23):
Well if you want to drink Virgin Cola, you have to go to Tunisia. There you will find Virgin Colas in all colors

Really? But it was introduced there in the last few years, or? I remember that you only got Coca-Cola everywhere when I was in Tunisia in 1990. I remember the bottles and cans with the Arabic writing:



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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Check again that you weren't comparing a bottle of Virgin Cola, which will list the sugar content of an 8 oz serving, to a can of Coca-Cola which will list a 12 oz serving. It is better to compare two plastic bottles.

It was most definately a 20oz plastic bottle, and I checked the serving sizes. It was an opaque gray bottle with a black label with Virgin Cola on it. I suppose it is possible that I misread the label, but Coke is still noticably sweeter.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:26 am

The only place I can ever recall seeing Virgin Cola is on Virgin Trains in the UK - it's the only type they sell. Can't honestly remember what I had on Virgin Atlantic...was too p*ssed to notice!
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:47 am

I've been to London and searched every Tesco I could find. Nobody had it. I've drunk it before. It tastes pretty good. You would enjoy it if you were tired of Pepsi and Coca Cola. However, Coca Cola has a total monopoly on the UK soft drinks market. They didn't even serve Pepsi wherever I went in the UK. When I got back, I drove straight to the Old Town section of Grapevine and grabbed six cans of the stuff from British Emporium, a great spot to shop when you're itching for something English. It is occasionally served in some cities in Switzerland. I was visiting the Stein-am-Rhine and the kiosks there served only Virgin Cola. That's how I first found out about its existence. It's not bad. Like I said, you'd probably like it if you were sick of Coca Cola and Pepsi.
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:15 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 24):
(or even Afri).

That stuff is absolutely horrible

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 24):
"Sorry, we don't have Coke, only Pepsi".

That is easy, get tea or leave the place Big grin

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 24):
I ordered a "coke"

Actually, that is quite common in the US South. There was a map on here a few months ago about the areas where "soda", "coke" or "pop" are the generic term. I say soda, but I generally order a "Diet Coke" and just get iced tea if they serve Pepsi

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 27):
However, Coca Cola has a total monopoly on the UK soft drinks market.

That is completely untrue. Several large pub chains (including Wetherspoons) are, saddly, Pepsi exclusive. Other restaurants are similar.
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:08 pm

Virgin coke wouldn't even be knowen in Australia, Nigeria etc
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:28 pm

I've had Virgin Coke here in Vancouver, doesn;t taste that good, Western Family Coke is better (One of the local grocery store's brands here in YVR). Real Coke is still the best in my opinion
 
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:53 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
Is VS the only airline in the world which serves Virgin drinks onboard?

No. PR serves Virgin beverages in 3 flavors: red, white, and blue.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
That stuff is absolutely horrible

Actually I like Afri Cola, the bottle looks very stylo:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
That is easy, get tea or leave the place

In the past I prefered Pepsi but somehow has the stuff become too sweet in my opinion.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
Actually, that is quite common in the US South. There was a map on here a few months ago about the areas where "soda", "coke" or "pop" are the generic term.

Yes, I remember that map.

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 31):
No. PR serves Virgin beverages in 3 flavors: red, white, and blue.

And I flew on Cebu Pacific from MNL to CEB. Damn, well, at least I got the DC-9.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:17 am

I am sure they would serve you a Virgin Mary, but most people prefer some booze in it.
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 32):
Actually I like Afri Cola, the bottle looks very stylo:

That is a cool looking new bottle, but that stuff tastes horrid

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 32):
In the past I prefered Pepsi but somehow has the stuff become too sweet in my opinion.

So sweet that Diet Pepsi tastes like toxic waste. Then again, we know how much you like a certain Red pepsi product
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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:06 pm

Regarding Virgin Blue, I think the primary factor would be that Virgin Cola is not distributed in Australia. For interest's sake, Qantas serves Coca-Cola products, while Jetstar serves Pepsi products.

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RE: Why No Virgin Drinks On All Virgin Airlines?

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:07 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 29):
Virgin coke wouldn't even be knowen in Australia, Nigeria etc

Actually Virgin cola was served on Virgin Nigeria flight LON-LOS but NOT on the ABV, PHC and ACC routes
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