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NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:28 am

If my memory serves me correctly NZ should take delivery of their first aircraft of this type within the next 30 or so days. I believe NZ1 told us that it would disappear into the hanger to be prodded and poked by all who need to become hands-on with its innards and to have the last of the sleeper seats installed.
Then I am sure it will do a series of "promotional" flights so that community notables can experience this advance in air travel at first hand.
This is a rather long way to getting to the point of this posting, which is....will NZ do some flights from WLG to accommodate their political masters and the senior bureaucrats? I can think of no technical reason why they should not. With the power that this aircraft has it should rocket off the runway at WLG with a full passenger load, no baggage and enough fuel for a 2-hour flight or better. I hope this happens and there are some good photographs to record the occasion. It would seem to me that it would be a good gesture towards easing the strained relationship between NZ and Infrasil the major owner of WLG.
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:04 am

I agree, I would like to see NZ operate some tasman flights out of CHC/ WLG and AKL on a promotional basis.
What?
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:52 am

I'm surprised that neither NZ nor QF are alert and working the parochial nature of New Zealand and Australia.
In Hamilton all the business people got upset when NZ stopped flying 737's to Wellington. The ATR is probably perfectly fine. But the reality is NZ had downgraded their city to a town.
I believe it would be a shrewd marketing strategy to run the biggest plane you can into smaller cities on a once a week basis substituting an existing flight.

New Zealand - NZ
Wellington 777
Hamilton 763
Dunedin 763

Australia - QF
Canberra A330
Hobart A330
Launceston 763
Newcastle 763

If you run a 763 to Dunedin on a weekend every person in Dunedin would know. All the business people would think it was great. You can cut a lot a traditional promotion like sponsoring netball teams and play to the almost insane parochial sentiment that exists amongst well off people in such cities.
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:38 pm

Hamilton is a town.

Why fly massive jets into a place like Hamilton that can't possibly justify it? Sure, people will go "wow" the first couple of times (or not at all), but then that becomes the norm.

When IVC was "downgraded from a 737 to an ATR72, "everyone" was apparently peeved. I flew this route often, however, and from talking to people on board, crew and locals, the boost in frequencies from 3 to 6 a day was considered far more valuable.

I suspect it's largely a media beat-up when airlines take mainline jets off routes.
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Thread starter):
NZ do some flights from WLG to accommodate their political masters and the senior bureaucrats?

Personally I would be surprised if they did this (out of WLG at least). Promo flights out of AKL for staff and VIP's I see as quite likely (CHC maybe but less likely than AKL). Talking with a former Air NZ staff member, he got promo flights on the 747 and 767 when they were introduced (I haven't been around long enough. Only a Q300 promo flight so far for me).
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:26 pm

Do any NZ insiders know if NZ is planning a New Zealand tour with ZK-OKA, like what happened when ZK-OJA arrived?

Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):
New Zealand - NZ
Wellington 777
Hamilton 763
Dunedin 763

Australia - QF
Canberra A330
Hobart A330
Launceston 763
Newcastle 763

Can you please explain which NZ airport your talking about for QF A330 and B763
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:27 pm

The best promotion in Wellington that QF had ever done was running 747sp's. I have lived most of my life in Khandallah pretty much under the flightpath to WLG. The visual impact was amazing.
I believe you want people around the country not to be ambivalent about your company.
Who are your natural shareholders, people in places like Dunedin not Australian fund managers.
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:27 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
Can you please explain which NZ airport your talking about for QF A330 and B763

He wasn't, he was talking about domestic flights for QF in Australia.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?

There are several Trans Tasman flights laoded in the Schedules, starting October 10th I think it is till the 29th. ZK-OKA and OKB will run several flights between AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE mainly replacing A320's over this period.
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:48 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Do any NZ insiders know if NZ is planning a New Zealand tour with ZK-OKA, like what happened when ZK-OJA arrived?

Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?

I hope to be able to release details soon of a tour. Nothing is set in concrete yet. As above, OKA has several flights loaded. If you mean the delivery flight, then no, the final date and routing is not yet definite, though I believe we are planning a direct Seattle -Auckland flight.

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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:27 pm

NZ1 I've sent you an e-mail

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 7):
I have lived most of my life in Khandallah pretty much under the flightpath to WLG.

My work place in porirua is under the flightpath and I've seen a few very interesting aircraft, obviously flying over, including a BBJ2
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:49 pm

As a once a fortnight traveller WLG-CHC-IVC and return I MUCH prefer lots of ATR's to a few Boeings. Having to stay overnight and return to WLG on the 07.00 732 was a misery. Now I can get back on an ATR leaving at either 16.40 or 18.30

As for the 747SPs on WLG-SYD - absolutely useless to me at 3-4 a week. Similarly NZ 767's. My life was VASTLY improved when they all went to double daily 737s. I shudder to remember the old days when I couldn't do a same day round trip to SYD.
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:14 pm

'NZ1
I believe we are planning a direct Seattle -Auckland flight'

What ever happened to the PVG idea, and LHR thats all gone quite now,
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:11 pm

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 12):
I believe we are planning a direct Seattle -Auckland flight'

Direct delivery flight
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:26 pm

Yea, a little misunderstanding there I think. Any news on a second LHR or PVG?
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:36 pm

Remember everyone - it costs a lot of money to position wide-body ramp equipment in a port which only sees the type once (or twice?) a week. It simply is never going to happen in the cities mentioned, at least not without a major schedule upgrade (don't hold your breath).
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting Rjm717 (Reply 15):
Remember everyone - it costs a lot of money to position wide-body ramp equipment in a port which only sees the type once (or twice?) a week. It simply is never going to happen in the cities mentioned, at least not without a major schedule upgrade (don't hold your breath).

But that is assuming catering vans to the back of the plane, Tugs, and airbridges all of which I doubt would be necessary for a domestic flight.
You wouldn't even need to open the cargo hold just carry on luggage only for such flights. Long haul flights are really a completely different scenario complicated and naturally less realistic.
New Zealand household wealth is around NZ$300b an enormous amount of money compared to NZ's free float. To a surprising extent people invest in businesses they want to support not just on returns and playing to irrational parochial sentiments is not as stupid as you might think.
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 16):
playing to irrational parochial sentiments is not as stupid as you might think.

Yes it is. Then again, didn't you have the idea of flights between Auckland and Nice a while back? Or am I mistaking you for someone else?

How on earth would you be able to make people understand that (and enforce), despite the significantly larger amount of cargo hold, passengers are only allowed carry on? Rjm717 has an excellent point about the purchasing, positioning and staffing of all that equipment.

NZ has excellent fleet/route allocation in my opinion, except for Asian flights. Clearly the 777 is much more appropriate for flights to Singapore and Hong Kong, if only to keep up with other airlines on the route. Additional freight capacity will also be important.

Perhaps though, a flypast by the 777 over the major centres of New Zealand would go down well. 2 or 3 swoops over IVC, repeated at DUD, then ZQN, land at CHC, then a swoop or two over Nelson, up to WLG for a rest and showoff to people, and the same thing repeated over the North Island. Would be good.

PS. Compare NZ's household "wealth" to its level of debt. We are not a particularly wealthy country by OECD standards and if I recall correctly, our household debt is amongst the worst in the world.
 
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:07 pm

In October I'm flying on an NZ B772 from MEL-AKL. This is part of my long trip to SYD and MEL as has been said in another thread started by me
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:44 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 17):
then ZQN

Better yet, how about landing the T7 at ZQN for a promotion  Smile? Now that would be a sight to behold. By the way, landing in a 733 there was perhaps the most interesting landing I've had; must be fun a cross-wind.
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RE: NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER

Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:18 pm

Quoting Halophila (Reply 19):
how about landing the T7 at ZQN for a promotion ? Now that would be a sight to behold.

Would only happen if heaps of the surrounding hills are cut away, so in other words never in a million years would a T7 land at ZQN
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