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United 747-200's

Sat May 06, 2000 1:58 am

Does anybody know if United operates any more of the older 747's? Or is it now just the 747-400? Thanks for your help!!


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RE: United 747-200's

Sat May 06, 2000 2:03 am

I know they operate the 747-200s on the SFO-HNL and LAX-HNL routes! I hope they don't retire them anytime soon!
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sat May 06, 2000 4:29 am

As of Dec, 31 1999 United had 7 742's in their fleet with an average age of 23 years. Plus they have 43 744s with one more yet to be delivered... plus many more 767's and 777's due in the next few years. I believe the 742's are spending out their last days on Hawaii runs where DC-10s and 742s are being replaced by 757s,767s,777s,and 744s. But by 2005 older UA types should be retired.
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Yes, But They Don't Know It!

Sat May 06, 2000 4:32 am

I was just on a 747-200 (for the first time) of United's at ORD the other day. Weird: Their time table lists various statistics for each jet in the back, including the 747-100 even though that aircraft has been retired! It's weird, you'd think they'd take the older jet's data out of the books.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sat May 06, 2000 10:12 am

we still have 6 238's left. They are expected to be gone within 12 to 18 months. That would require us to pay the penalties for ending the lease sooner than arranged but in the long run the company will save money.
After we get rid of them, you can probably find the "lemon sisters" flying with some international carrier.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sat May 06, 2000 10:13 am

correction: I was incorrect in my above statement" we still have 6 left..." In fact we have 7 left.
thanks
 
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See The Retired UA 747's

Sat May 06, 2000 2:58 pm

see the retired UA 747's on my webpage www.aa777.com, click on the photo galleries, check the "greenwood" and "ardmore" pages.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun May 07, 2000 3:16 am

Does anybody know if United still has in service that 747-200 that had the structure failure in flight from a faulty cargo door after taking off from Hawaii sucking out 9 passengers? I know that the aircraft was repaired and returned to service.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun May 07, 2000 3:44 am

Regarding the UA 747 with the structure failure:
I think it is no longer serving with UA. All aircraft remaing are -238B (see Timobear's posting), which were acquired from QF in 1993 (?). The 747 involved in the incident was - to my knowledge - a -100 (-122 or -123?).
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RE: Structural Failure

Sun May 07, 2000 12:16 pm

The 747 that had the explosive decompression over Hawaii was 747-122 N4713U. It was repaired and returned to United service as N4724U. It has since been retired.
 
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RE: Structural Failure

Sun May 07, 2000 9:28 pm

I am confused over distinguishing the difference between the 747-100 & 200 models. I know that on the 100 models they have 3 windows on each side in the upper deck.
I thought it was on the 200 model they added the multiple windows on the upper deck? I didn't know they were added to the 100 models?
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun May 07, 2000 10:29 pm

Whats the difference between a 747-100 and 747-122
and between a 747-200 and 747-238B. I dont get what it means. I have noticed that with other types of planes too.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Mon May 08, 2000 2:37 am

A 747-122 is the exact same thing as a 747-100, except the "22" designator shows which airline the planes were built for, and to the certain specifications of that airline. 22 is Boeing's code for UA, 23 for AA, etc.

A 747-238 is a Qantas jet [that's QF's code, correct?], with the same type of airline identifier. The "B" part signifies a heavier gross weight model, allowing for much more range than the standard model. The "B" has the same meaning as the "ER" or "IGW" on the 777-200.

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RE: United 747-200's

Mon May 08, 2000 4:03 am

It is very hard to externally distinguish a -100 from a -200 unless the -100 was equipped with only 3 windows on the upper deck. Quite a few airlines speced out their -100s with the full 7 windows on each side. Northwest being one of them, and a better part of United's -100 fleet is that way. I have seen them with both window configs. Sorry it does not help much, but that is how it worked.
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RE: United 747-200's

Mon May 08, 2000 6:10 pm

If UA has 7 747-238Bs in service, where are the 2 747-222Bs that where delivered directly to United?

They are considerably newer than the former Qantas planes and should have half of their life still ahead of them.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Mon May 08, 2000 9:24 pm

The -222Bs are gone... I believe they were the 2 ships used on JFK-NRT-JFK. It has since been switched to 747-400.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:47 am

The 747-100s were originally designed with the famous 3 windows up above. Later aircraft (ie. most if not all -200s) were delivered with 10 windows per side on the upper deck.

The -100s which were converted had either 8 windows per side or 10 per side including a conversion to shift the upper deck rear bulkhead back a few feet. Some even had a galley inserted at the rear of the upper deck!

Ages ago, I worked out how the upper deck windows thing worked by tracing extra windows onto a poster of an Air France 747-100!

I live in hope that someone will preserve a 747-100 in 3-window config, but after the appalling destruction of the ex-Virgin 747-100 at Kemble, and the banishment of the BA 747-100s to a remote field in the USA, I am not holding my breath.

These aircraft are the classics of our time - please don't let's squander them.

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RE: United 747-200's

Sun Dec 10, 2000 4:28 pm

>It is very hard to externally distinguish a -100 from a -200 unless the -100 was
equipped with only 3 windows on the upper deck. Quite a few airlines speced out their
-100s with the full 7 windows on each side. Northwest being one of them, and a better
part of United's -100 fleet is that way. I have seen them with both window configs.
Sorry it does not help much, but that is how it worked. <

This is no the case as well. Some early model 747-200 were delivered with 3 upper deck window as well. I know JAL has several 246B that used to have 3 upper deck windows.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun Dec 10, 2000 6:27 pm

UA will retire all 4 four remaining 747-200Bs on 14 Dec this year. The777Man
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun Dec 10, 2000 6:28 pm

UA will retire all 4 four remaining 747-200Bs on 14 Dec this year. The two 747-222Bs were sold to Northwest who will convert them to cargo planes. The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
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Ex UA 747

Sun Dec 10, 2000 7:32 pm

Is one of their ex- 747-200s now operating as Air Force One?
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun Dec 10, 2000 10:27 pm

GKirk,

No, the VC-25A's that were built as Presidential transports were "new build" planes that might as well be described as "passenger variant" 747-400F's.

The VC-25A had a structure more akin to a 747-400 because it had to carry so much extra equipment you don't see on normal 747's, such as a LOT of top-secret communications gear (the VC-25A could act as a de facto airborne command post if necessary, though of course much more limited than the E-4B dedicated airborne command posts).
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Sun Dec 10, 2000 11:21 pm

Such confusion here; to simplify:\

1) UA's 747-100s are now all retired - their fleet was a mix of aircraft acquired new from Boeing, the -122 ships, and those acquired 2nd hand which were originally built for AA, the -123 ships. The airplane that had an accident between HNL and AKL was a -122 model.

2) UA's 2 B747-222B aircraft were in storage for a while, and have now been sold to NW for conversion to freighters.

3) The 747-238 fleet, originally built for Qantas and acquired second hand, will be retired by the end of the year (maybe a bit later); UA is terminating the leases on these aircraft early and paying a penalty to do so. Look for them to be converted to freighters. Look for lots of 777s in Hawaii in the near future.

4) It is impossible to tell the difference between a 747-100 and 747-200 externally. The 3 window upper deck was standard on the original -100, but the multi-window design associated with the -200 was also available as an option on the -100, and could also be retrofitted (expensive, but several airlines did it when lounges went out of style in the late 70s).

5) One additional trivia fact, 2 of UA's 747-400 are 747-451s, built for NW but bought by UA directly from Boeing when NW was having money problems and could not afford them.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Mon Dec 11, 2000 2:35 am

DutchJet,

Let me clarify.

United Ailrines is closing down United Cargo as of Febulary 14th 2001, there will be no replacement for the aging DC-10s on the cargo trips.

Actually you can tell the difference between a -100, an a -200. Its not all that hard. One is the length of the upper deck. The-100 has a very short one, and the -200 has a slightly longer one, also the -200s have an exit door on the upper deck on the left side as well as the right side. The -100s do not have this door on the left.

United does not operate anymore 747-451s. They did, but I believe that they were replaced with -422s.
 
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ILUV767

Mon Dec 11, 2000 3:12 am

Actually, ILUV767, Dutchjet was correct.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Mon Dec 11, 2000 4:09 am

Thanks flyf15.
 
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RE: United 747-200's

Mon Dec 11, 2000 4:56 am

The DC-10-30s operated by United Cargo will be parked or returned to lessors after 24 Dec00. The 747-238Bs will have their last flight on 14 Dec 00 in revenue service for UA. UA still has two 747-451 that NW never took delivery of, N105UA, N106UA. The777Man
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RE: ILUV767

Mon Dec 11, 2000 5:03 am

iluv767,

You are completly wrong, sorry.

1/ You have 747-200B with 3 windows and 747-100 with 8 windows. You have 747-100 with 2 upper deck exits and 747-200 with single upper deck exit.
In 1971, Boeing decided to deliver all 747s, whatever the version ordered 100/200, with 8 windows (Only because upper deck lounges were over and airlines had to fit seats upstairs). I think the first aircraft off the production line with 8 windows was the first Qantas 747 VH-EBA, line #147. Many 747-100s were later retrofitted, shuch as all 747-122 / 129 /136, from 3 to 8 windows. On the other hand, airlines like PA (747-121) or TWA (747-131) retained the 3 windows configuration for fleet commonality. By example, line #153 N93119, the famous TW800 ship, had in fact 8 holes on each side of the upper deck, 3 were fitted with windows and 5 fitted with plain metal.

So the number of windows or exits on the upper deck has nothing to do with the 100 or 200 version.
Also the lenght of the upper deck is exactely the same on any classic 747 (100/200/sp). No difference.

2/ United still operates 747-451s. These are N105UA and N106UA.

3/ Difference between a factory 100 and a 200 is simple: Performance and range.

Hope that clarifies.

Regards from GVA

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RE: United 747-200's

Mon Dec 11, 2000 5:04 am

I wasnt sure about the NWA planes, I can tell you that when al lof the DC-10s leave, United will not be starting up UA Cargo with 747s. They are closing that down, and it will not reopen. United wants to get out of Cargo Transport.