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Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:26 am

I know this has been discussed in the past, but the FAA has just posted a release about cell phones and other portable electronics on their website.

http://faa.gov/news/news_story.cfm?type=fact_sheet&year=2005&date=0805

It contains a few interesting points about cell phone use on board aircraft, mentioning that the FCC might be close to lifting the ban. Even so the article says the FAA has the final word and each model phone would need to be approved for use on board each aircraft type. Hopefully this issue will die once and for all. I for one enjoy the escape from ringing phones and obnoxious conversations.

Since 2003, the RTCA – an organization that the FAA sometimes asks to help study technical matters that affect policy, program, and regulatory decisions – has been looking at the issue of electromagnetic interference from intentionally transmitting PEDs, such as cell phones and WiFi transmitters in laptops.

So far, the data suggest that emissions are well below FCC limits, and are also within limits for interference with aircraft systems. The FAA expects to get the final RTCA report and recommendations in 2006, and will review them to determine how they might be applied.

Even if the FCC rescinds its ban, FAA regulations would still apply. Any installed equipment would be subject to FAA certification, just like any other piece of hardware. The air carrier would have to show that the use of a particular model phone won't interfere with the navigation and communications systems of the particular type of aircraft on which it will be used.
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:50 am

why the ehll would they want to do that? i'm glad that people are forced to turn them off when on the plane... they're an annoying necessity. besides, there wouldn't be any signal up at the criuse altitudes unless carriers started to carry extra equip just for that. wonder what carriers would be willing to do that.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:52 am

WiFi is fine... but please! No cell phones in planes! It's already bad enough during boarding and taxying to the gate!

In fact, I am even considering buying a cell phone jammer!
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If the phone companies can charge for using the service in the air, then it will be kept to a minnimum.

Does this mean that there will soon be a "No Cell Phone" sign between the "No Smoking" and the "Fasten Seat Belt" sign? There should!!!

Sorry about that- airlines can train their crews to deal with obnoxious cell phone users, if they wanted to.

Better yet- make the in flight cell phone users sit right next to the engines on an MD80! Big grin
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:53 am

That would be unleashing hell in such a small space. Its bad enough when out in public and you have to hear peoples conversations. Most people dont know how LOUD they are in public while on the phone. We get so carried away with our conversations that we forget where we are. Imagine almost 200 people on a 757 headed back from Vegas with at least 100 on their phones. ANNOYING
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:04 am

Oh god not this. I already have a hard enough time with people not being on their phones. Imagine 250 people talking on a phone in a tube for 8 hours
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:06 am

Cell phones don't work in flight on jetliners anyway so idk what the huff is about. Unless people just want to play their crappy cell phone games?
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:14 am

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:20 am

Quoting ASMD80 (Reply 2):
In fact, I am even considering buying a cell phone jammer!

Let me know where you can get one, please. There is a reason I prefer the quiet car on the train--not that most people every beother to follow the rules.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 7):

Let me know where you can get one, please. There is a reason I prefer the quiet car on the train--not that most people every beother to follow the rules.

They're illegal in the US and the UK, unless it used for government or military purposes. But, I do think that all crew should start carrying them, if cell phones are allowed inflight.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:40 am

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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:44 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 5):
Cell phones don't work in flight on jetliners anyway so idk what the huff is about. Unless people just want to play their crappy cell phone games?

Picocell technology works. Your cellphone 'talks' to a mini-cellsite installed on the plane which then handles the ground or satellite connection behind the scenes. You pay whatever the per minute 'roaming' fee is for using the service in the air. No different than in-air internet via WiFi, really.

As for the impact, not as big as everyone thinks. It's going to cost a lot more than standard usage. People aren't just going to chat away. For those times I need it (delays, missed connections) I would love being able to use a phone.

On jammers... not wise. They work by drowning out wireless frequencies with noise. If avionics really are EMI/RFI sensitive, that thing would proably put out more junk than 50 cellphones combined. Better, I think, to hand whomever one of these.

[Edited 2005-08-25 03:47:35]
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:49 am

I think a petition needs to start circulating on this. There are way too many people out there that have no manners or know how to be polite.

You think there was air rage before. Now you'll probably see some guy sitting next to some obnoxious cell phone user beating the crap out them with a seat cushion.

This is insane. What purpose does it serve? It's bad enough you already get that person who thinks they need to talk to you.

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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:57 am

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 11):
I think a petition needs to start circulating on this. There are way too many people out there that have no manners or know how to be polite.

You think there was air rage before. Now you'll probably see some guy sitting next to some obnoxious cell phone user beating the crap out them with a seat cushion.

This is insane. What purpose does it serve? It's bad enough you already get that person who thinks they need to talk to you.

BAD BAD BAD idea

Ok imagine this. When you make a call you get a message before it connects you to whomever that says "This call will cost $3.99 per minute. Billing will begin at the beep. Hang up now if you do not wish to be charged." That's going to stop 99% of all calls right then and there.
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:57 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 1):
they're an annoying necessity.

They're annoying, but they're certainly not a necessity.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 5):
Cell phones don't work in flight on jetliners anyway so idk what the huff is about. Unless people just want to play their crappy cell phone games?

The Internet can't reach FL350 on its own either and yet some planes allow folks to use their laptops to surf. There are local area mobile-friendly networks planned for eventual use with current and future airliners. Please try to keep up.

Quoting ASMD80 (Reply 8):
They're illegal in the US and the UK, unless it used for government or military purposes.

Sources?!

We now have reason to believe that trains, subways, and trams can trap mobile phone radiation and expose passengers to much higher levels than is even currently believed to be safe. Is it not possible that this could also happen on airplanes? Perhaps the needless chatter ringing in your ears will just be the tip of the iceberg as more is eventually learned about how mobile device radiation.

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Train passengers who hate it when other commuters use mobile phones on board may have every right to get angry.

Research carried out by scientists in Japan suggests that using a mobile phone inside a train carriage could have serious health risks for other passengers.

They found that electromagnetic radiation levels inside trains can exceed international safety limits if even a small number of passengers are using their phones.

Tsuyoshi Hondou, Tohuku University
This is because the microwave radiation emitted from handsets has effectively no where to go and simply bounces back off the carriage's metal structure.

Tsuyoshi Hondou, from Tohuku University, used the plans of a typical train carriage to calculate the impact of mobile phone mivrowave radiation.

He found that very little radiation managed to escape through windows and was instead reflected inside.

He discovered that if just 30 people in a standard carriage with 151 passengers used their phone radiation levels exceeded the limits recommended by the International Committee for Non-Ionising Radiation.

But he added that because the radiation can build up, levels can be high in carriages with fewer passengers.

"It's possible even if the train is not crowded," he told New Scientist magazine.

Mr Hondou said the findings, originally published in the Journal of the Physical Society of Japan, were worrying in light of the growth in the number of people with WAP phones and other wireless electronic devices.

He suggested train operators should consider introducing rules on the use of mobile phones in carriages.

But he added that the effects seen in train carriages may also apply to buses and elevators.

"At the moment we have no regulation on the use of mobile phones in areas where many people are together.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1961484.stm
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:04 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
Quoting ASMD80 (Reply 8):
They're illegal in the US and the UK, unless it used for government or military purposes.

Sources?!

http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/Personal.htm
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18642
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WolfFiles/story?id=561589&page=1
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/12365312.htm
They're illegal in Canada too.

As for our Japanese scientist, I call BS. That's oversimplification at it's finest and complete junk science. How are the cars constructed? Of what materials? How large is the window area? How many windows? What are they made of? Are the windows metallized (tinted)? How close is the cellsite? What level of power was he predicting when he did the modelling? What propagation model did he use? Each and every one of these factors will affect how much RF energy is retained.

There's no need to 'estimate' this at all, either. Note that the article says he "calculated" the RF reflectivity using plans of a "typical train carriage". Typical for where? Japan? The US? The UK? Trains vary wildly in design and construction. It's trivially easy to study this. Walk into a train on any given day, set up an RF field strength meter and measure. To guarantee a certain level of emissions, arrange for volunteers to make phonecalls. Repeat for each type of train one wishes to study.

[Edited 2005-08-25 04:15:07]
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:13 am

This has all ready been rejected by every union that reps the F/A's. I don't know why anyone would want to allow them to be used.


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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 14):
They're illegal in Canada too.

I've heard about American businesses that were preventing cell phones from being used inside their offices, but it appears this is through the choosing of specific construction materials instead of active electronic jamming as I originally thought.

In any case, I'm glad you inadvertently brought me to the Society for HandHeld Hushing!

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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:25 am

It used to be that people got asked "smoking or non-smoking" when checking in to a flight.

Perhaps if airlines are stupid enough to allow this to happen, we should be asked "phone or no phone" when checking in. It is bad enough with phones in buses and trains.

Can be done - the French TGV trains have "No Mobile Phone" carriages ...
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 14):
As for our Japanese scientist, I call BS.

So, are you saying that we need better studies, or that we should just assume that 'anything which does not kill us can only make us stronger'?
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:03 pm

I sure hope so!!!

Of course, that would be my opinion just to irriatate those of you that think that would mark the end of the world Smile
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:33 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 19):
I sure hope so!!!

Of course, that would be my opinion just to irriatate those of you that think that would mark the end of the world

I think you and me are going to start a new fad I'd like to call Phone Rage. Since it's my idea, I get the first punch. Are you still game?  bomb 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:43 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
So, are you saying that we need better studies, or that we should just assume that 'anything which does not kill us can only make us stronger'?

We need empirical studies and measurements, not fearmongering and conjecture. Handheld wireless phones have been on the market and in heavy daily usage for over 20 years now. We've not seen a spike in cancer rates. While further studies are necessary, we have much more important and immediate health risks to contend with.
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:25 pm

There was a thread in July where the FAA testified to Congress that the cell phone ban will remain even if the FCC lifts the ban.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:33 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 5):
Cell phones don't work in flight on jetliners anyway so idk what the huff is about.

Yes they do, I've called my voice mail before.
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:17 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 22):
There was a thread in July where the FAA testified to Congress that the cell phone ban will remain even if the FCC lifts the ban.

I found that thread when I searched the topic, however this latest release was also issued by the FAA, and seems to indicate that it will be up to each carrier to seek approval for onboard use. The article mentions a successful test of pico cell equipment:

In July 2004, American Airlines and Qualcomm did a successful one-time cell phone test using pico cell equipment aboard an MD-80 aircraft. In June 2005, the FAA approved United Airlines' request to install equipment for WiFi wireless internet connections aboard Boeing 757 aircraft.

Also as I quoted initially:

Even if the FCC rescinds its ban, FAA regulations would still apply.

HOWEVER it continues...

Any installed equipment would be subject to FAA certification, just like any other piece of hardware. The air carrier would have to show that the use of a particular model phone won't interfere with the navigation and communications systems of the particular type of aircraft on which it will be used.

That seems to suggest that an outright ban may not be set in stone.

If it were to happen I would imagine you would first need to buy an 'Aircraft ready' phone, (one that has been approved by the FAA). I can see this only being available on certain flights, perhaps on business-heavy routes, and of course only on select carriers. A surcharge is also a certainty, but airlines would probably offer an exclusive carrier onboard, meaning aircraft use could probably be added as part of a monthly billing plan. (1000 anytime aircraft minutes anyone?? AHH)

Either way it seems this latest release hints that it will be up to the airlines to put down the cash to get this approved, the question is will any do it?
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:33 pm

I can just imagine the noise. Sad

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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:02 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 25):
I can just imagine the noise.

Especially on a long haul flight when everyone is trying to sleep except some teenager having a text conversation with a friend at home and refusing to switch the text alert to silent.....
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:29 pm

I can imagine some little twat trying out all the ring tones.

pls pls no its the only place your free of them.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:21 am

Cellphones on Aircraft

Maybe there could be restricted to a Zone  Smile
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 28):
Maybe there could be restricted to a Zone

They once tried to restrict smoke to a 'zone' and it still got everywhere. My guess is that noise from mobile devices will still reach nearly everyone, unless they put a lot of effort into controlling it. Of course the more effort you put into keeping the noise in just one area, the more weight you would add to the plain and have fewer seats to show for it.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 11):
You think there was air rage before. Now you'll probably see some guy sitting next to some obnoxious cell phone user beating the crap out them with a seat cushion.

I was thinking more along the lines of sticking that phone where the sun doesn't shine. Imagine finally falling asleep on the transoceanic flight only to have your seatmate start talking 2 feet from your ear. If, God forbid, they ever were allowed on the plane, you would have a lot of confrontations between passengers. The show "Airline" would have tons of fresh new material about the guy who got the hell beaten out of him because his seatmate was woken up by cell phone.
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:59 am

Somebody above me beat me to it. What wealthy airlines should do is, and this is if this plan goes into effect, make a little section for people to use their cell phones. And just like in movie theatres to please switch their cell phones to vibrate. You would still be able to communicate with others and you aren't bothering passengers, unless you are one of those annoying people whom constantly yell into their cell phone and laugh.

Also, did anyone see the Dateline or whatever it was on Delta this month about cell phone users? It was great show.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:52 pm

I am failing to understand why everyone seems to think that just because your mobile COULD work in air that we'll see a huge amount of usage? How much do Airfones get used now on carriers that have them? How much did they get used when they were more widely installed? The answer is, not terribly much, else AT&T wouldn'tve exited the market.

You're all going on the assumption that people will receive outgoing and incoming calls as normal while on the plane without any intervention. That scenario is no more likely than you being able to sit on the plane and use your own WiFi connection to bypass what is installed on the aircraft. Your cellphone WILL NOT be serviced by towers on the ground. No land-based wireless network exists that will work at cruise altitude and speed. You might get service for a minute or two. Any call you managed to initiate won't last long (on the order of seconds).

Here's a highly likely scenario. In-flight, your phone will connect to a miniature wireless phone network installed on the airplane (if compatible equipment is installed, otherwise you'll have no service). It will route your calls to the appropriate dedicated ground network (if one exists, it's not even necessary) or to the INMARSAT network if no ground network is available. If your carrier has negotiated a roaming agreement with the third party operating the in-air network on behalf of the airline, you'll be able to bill your calls to your mobile account. Note that this WILL NOT WORK if you have a prepaid phone. Users without roaming agreements and prepaid users will likely be diverted to a credit card authorization clearinghouse where they can enter a payment method to be used for calls throughout the flight.

Whether billed to the account or paid to a credit card, users making outgoing calls will be intercepted by a message stating that the call will cost X dollars/pounds (YES pounds, not pence)/yen/euro per minute and that if they wish to continue they should indicate they agree to the charges (probably by pressing 1 to be connected).

Incoming calls will likely ONLY work for those users with roaming agreements. This will preclude the chavs/gangstas/kids with prepaid cards getting endless calls in air. If the third party decides to provide a facility for such folks to receive calls, it'll be via a phone number that routes to the provider. The caller will dial that number, then receive a dialtone and need to dial the number of whomever they're calling. If the person has registered a credit card with the system, it'll recognize the phone number that's been input and route the call to the appropriate aircraft. The user's phone will ring. In EITHER case (credit card or roamer), much the same process will apply as making an outgoing call. Upon answering the user will get a message that they've got an incoming call from whomever (either the system will read out the phone number or will request and record a name from the caller to play) and that the call will cost, say, $3.99 per minute and ask them to press one to be connected.

Given all this, WHY would everyone think they'll have a sudden surge in people chatting away on their phones? Sure you'll get a few people with more money than sense trying to show off but after the novelty wears off usage will be low and calls will almost always be VERY terse. The ONLY reason this is attractive to the airlines and whomever the third party operator is is that the underlying infrastructure is mostly already in place and is relatively inexpensive. Installation on the aircraft is simple as an external antenna and one 'box' are all that're required. There's no massive weight and no wiring as existed with installed airphones.

This IS NOT a bad thing and I think the option to make/receive a call in the air if necessary is a benefit. The price will keep people under control.

[Edited 2005-08-26 05:54:12]
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:51 pm

If this is to be Implemented.Start distributing Ear Plugs to Pax.The ones with the cellphones can use their hands free kit  Smile
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 32):
No land-based wireless network exists that will work at cruise altitude and speed.

Nothing wrong with your post Kanebear, except that sentence... (re Verizon)

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 32):
It will route your calls to the appropriate dedicated ground network (if one exists, it's not even necessary) or to the INMARSAT network if no ground network is available.

...and this one; it is necessarily routed to a satellite or satellite network, then down to the satellite ground station and thereon switched to the terrestrial net.
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:26 pm

Dosen't ANA already allow cellphones on certain aircraft? Thought I read something in their inflight magazine a few weeks ago about people not being allowed to use cellphones in flight, unless the cabin crew told you that it was permitted. It also said that not all A/C had this capability.

I'm not sure exactly what it said, but something along those lines. Anyone care to shine some light on this?

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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:22 pm

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 34):
Quoting Kanebear (Reply 32):
No land-based wireless network exists that will work at cruise altitude and speed.

Nothing wrong with your post Kanebear, except that sentence... (re Verizon)

This sentence taken alone is, of course, incorrect. Verizon has a land-based ground-air network which is the former GTE Airfone network. In context, my statement is very much correct. I stated that one's wireless handset (my exact term was cellphone) will not be serviced by ground based towers while airborne. I went on to state that no land-based network exists which will provide service to an airborne user at cruise speed and altitude. Please provide an example if I am wrong. Verizon's network is NOT applicable as it only works with it's own specialized equipment (seatback telephones, etc). A Verizon wireless user can no more access the Airfone network with their handset whether on the ground or in flight than a VHS deck can play Beta tapes. Yes they're both video cassettes but they're utterly incompatible.

I did make the mistake of not clarifying my definition of cruise speed and altitude as being consistent with commercial jet aircraft.

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Quoting Kanebear (Reply 32):
It will route your calls to the appropriate dedicated ground network (if one exists, it's not even necessary) or to the INMARSAT network if no ground network is available.

...and this one; it is necessarily routed to a satellite or satellite network, then down to the satellite ground station and thereon switched to the terrestrial net.

The statement is correct IMO. If a ground network exists (Verizon's Airfone, for instance), the picocell, in my example, would route the call to that network rather than use the more expensive satellite airtime. Said ground-based network is not even necessary as calls can be routed over INMARSAT in the absence of a specialized ground network to support the airborne picocell.
 
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:35 pm

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 32):
You're all going on the assumption that people will receive outgoing and incoming calls as normal while on the plane without any intervention. That scenario is no more likely than you being able to sit on the plane and use your own WiFi connection to bypass what is installed on the aircraft. Your cellphone WILL NOT be serviced by towers on the ground. No land-based wireless network exists that will work at cruise altitude and speed. You might get service for a minute or two. Any call you managed to initiate won't last long (on the order of seconds).

You're very correct. The company I work for is currently working on the GSM-on-Aircraft feature. We're only in the feasability stage of it, and luckily I won't have to work much more than that on the project ... wouldn't even want to because I'm strongly against having anything like this on aircraft (I like peace and quiet as much as the next guy ... especially now given that people tend to have more and more annoying ring-tones).

There will be no land-based antennas used for exactly the reasons you gave, rather Abis-over-Satellite (Abis is the interface between the Radio Base Station and the Base Station Controller). In that respect it is similiar to mobile networks on cruise ships, ferrys, etc.
One of the things that they are considering is a feature whereby the F/A will have ultimiate control over incoming calls, and will be able to control when and at what time calls are allowed. So for instance, if it's a night-flight, then no incoming calls will be possible.
Like I said, a lot of this is just in a feasability stage at this point (at least in my company) so things could change.
Either way if this thing goes, it seems like the F/As will only have more work to do.
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RE: Cell Phones Inflight By 2006?

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:23 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 29):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 28):
Maybe there could be restricted to a Zone

They once tried to restrict smoke to a 'zone' and it still got everywhere. My guess is that noise from mobile devices will still reach nearly everyone, unless they put a lot of effort into controlling it. Of course the more effort you put into keeping the noise in just one area, the more weight you would add to the plain and have fewer seats to show for it.

It works on trains in Europe.
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