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Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:11 pm

Looks like that blue NH on Allegiant's route map noticed by MAH4546 a few days ago did mean something.

Service between Portsmouth and SFB starts October 28. Flights on Monday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday.
http://www.allegiantair.com/pr/082505.htm

http://www.allegiantair.com/route_map.htm

[Edited 2005-08-25 16:14:38]
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:35 pm

Rock on! At this rate, Allegiant will be able to knock out that airline that refers to itself as Pan Am.

Hope they look at PIE after they fill in the SFB service.
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:39 pm

Boy! G4 is expanding rapidly, I just hope they look at MFE-SFB, FATFlyer just let me know when this flight is happening, and you'd make my day,
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
At this rate, Allegiant will be able to knock out that airline that refers to itself as Pan Am.

Interesting, I was just pondering that. Allegiant has now entered what, 2 of Pan Am's 5 routes out of SFB. That leaves at Sanford for Pan Am only SFB-PIE and the 2 Puerto Rico routes, right? Personally I don't think G4 will look at these 3 but I wonder how Pan Am will react to Allegiant's recent moves.
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:18 am

Well, Pan Am said they will shut down in the slow months, so Allegiant is obviously pouncing on this opportunity. Stupid Pan Am.
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:00 am

A wonderful day for N.H.'s seacoast region and southern Maine. First Portsmouth navy yard will remain open. Secondly Pease Tradeport will have a new carrier offering jet service for the folks of Northeastern Mass, Southeastern Maine and New Hampshire coastal region. Good luck Allegiant! I am sure you will be succsessful.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:13 am

I understand Stewart has had an incredible first couple of days of sales. Hopefully Portsmouth won't let them show it up.
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
I wonder how Pan Am will react to Allegiant's recent moves.

By going out of business, probably. Or at best just retreating to the PR routes and hoping to God that a real airline doesn't move in on those, too.

Allegiant is definitely the "stealth" growth carrier right now!
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:41 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
I wonder how Pan Am will react to Allegiant's recent moves.

They'll probably sleep on it in their two month nap.  Wink
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:58 pm

I'm surprised they haven't linked the CID with SFB yet as that seems like a no brainer...
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:02 pm

Air Tran used to fly the MCO-SWF route with 737-200's prior to the merger days. I remember them doing really well on that route.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:19 pm

I wouldn't write this version of Pan Am off just yet. We'll have to see how the FAA deals with the application "irregularities." From this, we can at least see that Pan Am was looking to grow with additional a/c in service.

As far as this "down time" goes.....I doubt that this wan an unforeseen event. They've done it before and can obviously weather the inactive period. Hopefully the time off will give management some time to actually formulate a viable business strategy.

In regards to Allegiant, how many times have we seen an airline grow too fast only to collapse under its own weight? I don't want to see this happen to them, but we're seeing new stations open up every other day with a few flights a week. That's a widespread operation with minimal return on few flights.

It's also possible the two competing carriers could create a sort of "Southwest effect" between them. It doesn't hurt to have a couple of choices competing against each other to drum up business in otherwise underutilized areas.

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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 11):
In regards to Allegiant, how many times have we seen an airline grow too fast only to collapse under its own weight? I don't want to see this happen to them, but we're seeing new stations open up every other day with a few flights a week. That's a widespread operation with minimal return on few flights.

Allegiant is also operating on a different business model than many who have tried rapid expansion before. Revenue streams are spread out more, with less reliance on ticket sales. They are not afraid to pull non-performing routes, too many companies have had an ego about their route decisions.

The company is also privately owned, I would think that would make CEO Maurice Gallagher less willing to take what he would perceive as risks, it is his own money that would disappear not investors.
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
Allegiant is also operating on a different business model than many who have tried rapid expansion before.

The different business model being smaller market/reliever airports?

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
Revenue streams are spread out more, with less reliance on ticket sales.

I don't understand what you mean here....can you elaborate?  Smile

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
The company is also privately owned, I would think that would make CEO Maurice Gallagher less willing to take what he would perceive as risks, it is his own money that would disappear not investors.

Is it soley his own money invested into the company? Just because they're a private company doesn't mean there aren't a multitude of partners/investors. There are a good number of ways to form a private company with various partnership creations with varying benefits.

Just food for thought.....don't mean to come off as second guessing you. I don't actually know too much about how the company came about.

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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 13):
The different business model being smaller market/reliever airports?

Partially, but Allegiant also books a high percentage of their passengers into travel packages, resulting in high hotel commissions. While most airlines have a vacation provider, it is an important aspect for G4. One number I heard early this year was that it was selling about 600 Vegas room nights per day. Who knows what it is now.

They are also not afraid to quickly leave a market if it doesn't look like it will work out. They have left Redding, Baton Rouge, and if another thread is correct Wichita Falls in the last couple of years.

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 13):


Quoting FATFlyer,reply=12:

Revenue streams are spread out more, with less reliance on ticket sales.

I don't understand what you mean here....can you elaborate?

Besides the vacation packages, Allegiant has a healthy charter business. Sports teams, ski charters, Forest Service, etc. They also have the Harrahs contract for charter flights to Reno and Laughlin from around the country. I think the old revenue split a year or 2 ago was 40% scheduled/60% charter. Possibly about 50/50 or 60/40 now.

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 13):
Is it soley his own money invested into the company? Just because they're a private company doesn't mean there aren't a multitude of partners/investors. There are a good number of ways to form a private company with various partnership creations with varying benefits.

True, they did have an investment of $39.5 million from ComVest in May. I may be wrong but I haven't heard that Gallagher gave up much and has anything less than the majority ownership still.

A little history. The company was started in 1997 by Mitch Allee, a software company owner in Fresno who had produced and sold airline reservation software. The airline name is a play on his name. They operated in California, mainly out of FAT and LGB. They also tried operating to RNO, PDX, and TVL among others. Some poor decisions lead to a BK filing in 2000. To keep their certificate they went down to a single daily scheduled FAT-LAS flight and charters. The company exited BK in 2002 after Maurice Gallagher bought an 80% interest in G4 in 2001.

Gallagher currently owns or is invested in a number of companies and real estate holdings. Some of the companies that I know are Gallagher Corporation, Gallagher Equity Management, the investment firm of Flynn/Gallagher, MPower communications, CommPartners LLC, and also investments in Las Vegas commercial real estate and office buildings, etc. He also sits on the advisory board for Blue Beacon Capital among others.

While private, Gallagher has been quoted as saying that Allegiant's revenues were $6 million in 2001, $23 million in 2002, $54 million in 2003 and $102 million last year.
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 9):
I'm surprised they haven't linked the CID with SFB yet as that seems like a no brainer...

how so? faremeasure only shows 31 daily as it is.. considering you have Delta, Mco should be pretty easy to get to already.

and im sure NW would give them a flight if the airport manager just asked..
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
and im sure NW would give them a flight if the airport manager just asked..

Then how come CID has asked for MEM repeatedly and NW hasn't gave it to them?

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
how so? faremeasure only shows 31 daily as it is.. considering you have Delta, Mco should be pretty easy to get to already.

First, CID has limited DL service to CVG, no ATL, and DL is very expensive to fly out of CID. Most of the people in the CID area drive to MLI because of FL, LFC service N/S to MCO. Allegiant would stimulate lots of demand, as shown from there new cities out of SFB, and LAS has been doing great out of CID, as well as DSM to both SFB and LAS. DSM even got another flight to SFB because of high demand.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:03 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
Rock on! At this rate, Allegiant will be able to knock out that airline that refers to itself as Pan Am.

A homeless man offering a camel rental from SFB to Portsmouth would knock out that airline that refers to itself as Pan Am.

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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:10 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 16):
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
and im sure NW would give them a flight if the airport manager just asked..

Then how come CID has asked for MEM repeatedly and NW hasn't gave it to them?

dont know, maybe the madness is dying down some.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 16):
DSM even got another flight to SFB because of high demand.

nothing to do with this. two totally different cities and areas.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 16):
Most of the people in the CID area drive to MLI because of FL, LFC service N/S to MCO

proof?

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 16):
Allegiant would stimulate lots of demand, as shown from there new cities out of SFB, and LAS has been doing great out of CID, as well as DSM to both SFB and LAS

thats like saying southwest went somewhere and the market grew.. G4 does good in almost every city they go to.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
thats like saying southwest went somewhere and the market grew.. G4 does good in almost every city they go to.

Yes, so then why does only 31 pax each way have anything to do with it if the market grows so much?

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
proof?

There O&D for four weekly flights is over 100 pax per day?

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
nothing to do with this. two totally different cities and areas.

?? They both have been very successful with LAS service.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
dont know, maybe the madness is dying down some.

??? What madness?? CID only has DTW and MSP service from NW, and DSM just has the three hubs plus DCA, a high yield route that is only served by NW. LAS comes soon four times weekly but there is also high demand to LAS.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19):
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
proof?

There O&D for four weekly flights is over 100 pax per day?

i wasnt talking about LAs and CID i was talking about MLI and folks driving from cid, and even if thats what you were talking about how do oyu know theyre coming from cid?

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19):
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
nothing to do with this. two totally different cities and areas.

?? They both have been very successful with LAS service.

and.....who hasnt. im saying, Dsm is connsiderably bigger than CID.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19):
??? What madness?? CID only has DTW and MSP service from NW, and DSM just has the three hubs plus DCA, a high yield route that is only served by NW. LAS comes soon four times weekly but there is also high demand to LAS.

calm down, its not that bad in Cid.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
i wasnt talking about LAs and CID i was talking about MLI and folks driving from cid, and even if thats what you were talking about how do oyu know theyre coming from cid?

I was talking about MLI-MCO, and look at much higher there O&D is and how much lower there fares are.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
and.....who hasnt. im saying, Dsm is connsiderably bigger than CID.

Yes, although LCC service would attract people from surrounding communities. I'm sure CID-SFB will happen eventually.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
calm down, its not that bad in Cid.

Did I say it was? Even though I didn't fares are still fairly high, and CID has no LCC service to a hub like you guys do on Indy.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:03 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
how so? faremeasure only shows 31 daily as it is.. considering you have Delta, Mco should be pretty easy to get to already.

Whoa... hold on a sec. Anthony, that's 31 pax per DAY. CID-SFB would start out 2x WEEKLY. 217 per week, or 109 pax per flight, not counting the people who drive to DSM or MLI. That's broken even already. I didn't know you two fought here too.  Smile
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:05 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
thats like saying southwest went somewhere and the market grew

And yeah, that's actually exactly what happens.
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:26 am

Quoting Lymanm (Reply 4):
Well, Pan Am said they will shut down in the slow months, so Allegiant is obviously pouncing on this opportunity. Stupid Pan Am.

I was privately hoping that management of Pan Am would read this thread. And then I thought, 'Why would ANYONE from Pan Am's present management team be remotely interested in ANYTHING having to do with airlines?'

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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 22):
Whoa... hold on a sec. Anthony, that's 31 pax per DAY. CID-SFB would start out 2x WEEKLY. 217 per week, or 109 pax per flight, not counting the people who drive to DSM or MLI. That's broken even already. I didn't know you two fought here too.

i say this because, many markets have more O&D to orlando and dont have service. not even talking about us either..for u wiseguys that might think that.

Quoting N908AW (Reply 23):
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
thats like saying southwest went somewhere and the market grew

And yeah, that's actually exactly what happens.

um..........thats why i said it......
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:29 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
i wasnt talking about LAs and CID i was talking about MLI and folks driving from cid, and even if thats what you were talking about how do oyu know theyre coming from cid?

It has been discussed in local media that when CID has the flights that people want, they will use CID. Case in point, Airtran announced non stop MLI-LAS a few weeks before Allegiant announced non stop CID-LAS. The Allegiant flight was such a smash off the bat that AirTran pulled their MLI-LAS flight at the end of last summer as they could not compete. That was directly from the Quad City Times if you decide to to do a search on that site (although since it was over a year ago it may no longer be there). Also, I really don't have any proof to show so to speak, but again, local media often compare the two as competing airports, they will take a survey of the different license plates in each other's parking lots. On a personal level, I always hear from friends at work and so forth that they get cheaper fares out of MLI and will drive down there because of the cost savings (I myself have done it twice).

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 21):
LCC service would attract people from surrounding communities. I'm sure CID-SFB will happen eventually

I also believe it will happen as well Iowaman, as ATCRick has promised and also I believe they are just waiting on the SCASD grant. Pam Hinman, the CID marketing director at the airport has also said they have had discussions and really want this service from Allegiant.
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:31 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 25):

i say this because, many markets have more O&D to orlando and dont have service. not even talking about us either..for u wiseguys that might think that.

Also keep in mind your "O&D numbers" are from faremeasure, and they don't necessarily keep it very up-to-date. Only three months ago did TZ stop being CID-MDW's "low fare carrier", even though that route has been history for a year now. Not to mention AA is still listed as a carrier in DLH.

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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:40 am

Quoting Cidflyer (Reply 26):
I also believe it will happen as well Iowaman, as ATCRick has promised and also I believe they are just waiting on the SCASD grant. Pam Hinman, the CID marketing director at the airport has also said they have had discussions and really want this service from Allegiant.

Unfortunately the SCASD winners were announced and CID was not a winner. Sad Instead they choose towns that didn't really need the money like Poplar Bluff/Farmington which got over $930,000 for Cessna service to STL!
 
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RE: Allegiant Announces Portsmouth, NH To SFB

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:44 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 28):
Unfortunately the SCASD winners were announced and CID was not a winner. Instead they choose towns that didn't really need the money like Poplar Bluff/Farmington which got over $930,000 for Cessna service to STL

well that totally stinks!!  Sad