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Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:14 pm

As some of you might know, MFE is an airport and actually the main airport of the Rio Grande Valley, to tell you a little more about MFE, MFE has a pretty small terminal with 4 gates(1-4) and two stands(A,B). MFE has 3 air carriers:AA,CO,andG4. They fly to DFW,IAH,MEX, andLAS. But my question is, if CO has pretty good loads on MFE to IAH, why no direct service to the New York area, I'm pretty sure they would do great on that flight and would help the south Texas people go directly to the eastern U.S. instead of flying to IAH or DFW. And thus, continue to Europe etc.

Any CO employees' or reps. that could assist me or all you a.neters be free to opinion your thoughts.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:22 pm

MFE catchment area includes also people from northeastern Mexico (MTY, Saltillo, Reynosa, Matamoros, etc) which use MFE or LRD for its low fares to Europe (through IAH and DFW).but destinations are limited from IAH compared with EWR. May be... just may be it could be a good idea.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:36 pm

Glad you understand Pzurita, I mean, 1 or 2 flights daily wouldn't hurt. For example I'll put myself for example. My father is Italian, so we go to Italy quite often. THis is the usual route we do: MFE-IAH-EWR-FCO-BRI, and a direct flight from MFE-EWR would be less time consuming saving us 1 flight. thos are my 2 cents.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting MFEFlyer (Thread starter):
But my question is, if CO has pretty good loads on MFE to IAH, why no direct service to the New York area, I'm pretty sure they would do great on that flight

I'm pretty sure they would do horrible and lose their shirts -- there is absolutely no market for MFE-EWR, IMO. The only time I could maybe see it working is a Saturday-only 737 during Spring Break to shuttle people down to South Padre, but even that's a stretch, and that traffic would probably go to HRL, not MFE. I could be wrong, but I doubt there is any real market for a nonstop flight from MFE to the New York area.

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 2):
1 or 2 flights daily wouldn't hurt

CO would never, IMO, be able to fill up 1-2 flights per week, let alone 1-2 per day on an MFE-EWR route. There is simply not nearly enough O&D, and why would CO overfly their large, convenient and well-positioned IAH hub just for a (very) few people?
 
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:02 am

I agree with Commovia. MFE does not have a large enough metro area to handle a direct flight to EWR. There would need to be a substantial amount of connecting and O/D passengers. Without both of those factors - CO would lose money just to compensate a relatively small amount of passengers.

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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:09 am

I agree with Commavia and Oluseun; MFE just couldn't support the flights, even with an RJ. In spite of the size of the NYC-metro area and CO's large operation at EWR, I would imagine the majority of destinations people from MFE are going to are already linked to DFW or IAH.
 
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:17 am

1704 If they did the flight it would have to be COEx with an ERJ145XR, and even still it would probably be weight restricted as the XR has a range of 2,000mi. MFE-EWR is 1704mi. so until an ERJ XXR comes out I wouldn't bet on a MFE-EWR flight--besides I think that CO would start HRL-EWR before MFE if anything.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:32 am

I do agree, but about HRL-EWR, I doubt it. First of all the McAllen/Mission/edinburg IS A METRO AREA,that has around 900,000 people, The Harlingen/Sanbenito/Browinsville metro has way less. MFE is the one of the fastest growing cities in the Nation, there for, if and only if CO would start service to South Texas, My incentives would go probably to MFE

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2005/0523/156.html

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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:42 am

I also forgot to mention the northern states of Mexico Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon, they fly out of MFE alot, you have to consider the Mexican Nationals they help McAllen alot with buisness etc. I don't know if you guys remember when G4 announced service to LAS from MFE, those flights are almost all Mexicans I know it's a different subject but, I'm pretty sure CO would consider MFE, maybe not now, but in a few years.

The Rio Grande Valley is a region of more than 2.5 million people when including those living on the Mexican side of the border and can boast 10 million people living within a 150 mile radius of McAllen. Nationwide lists consistently include the McAllen as one of the best cities in the U.S. in which to live and work.

McAllen is the 75th largest metropolitan area in the United States and is 4th fastest growing metropolitan area in the United States, growing by 49% over 1990.


McAllen-Miller International Airport (MFE) is the primary business airport of the Rio Grande Valley of Deep South Texas and Northeast Mexico.

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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:59 am

A total of 44 people fly non-stop between New York City and McAllen each day. That is definitley not enough to support any kind of non-stop service in a medium-haul market.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:14 am

Well if 44 people fly each day, why not open a Continental Express flight 4X a week I mean the ERJ-135 holds about 35 People(?), but I don't know about the range. But who knows maybe this service can open up in a couple of years, decade who knows...
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:20 am

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 10):
Well if 44 people fly each day, why not open a Continental Express flight 4X a week I mean the ERJ-135 holds about 35 People(?), but I don't know about the range

It is 44 people in both directions. That doesn't even fill up a Jetstream prop plane. 44 people is not enough, because you can't assume that everybody is going to take the non-stop. Many people won't. In addition, to get any type of good yielding business travelers, you need to offer it daily. 4x weekly doesn't work.

MFE-EWR is at least a decade away.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:22 am

I just hope it is a possibility at the least....
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:24 am

Are there MFE-ATL or MFE-ORD flights currently being offered? I can see these being started well before NYC.
 
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 13):
Are there MFE-ATL or MFE-ORD flights currently being offered? I can see these being started well before NYC.

No, neither route is operated. I agree that they would come before NYC.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:28 am

Hey guys, just wondering, as you know AA mainland service does serve MFE-DFW 4x daily, in your opinion, do you guys see AA opening maybe aonther destination for MFE like JFK,ORD,BOS etc....
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 15):
Hey guys, just wondering, as you know AA mainland service does serve MFE-DFW 4x daily, in your opinion, do you guys see AA opening maybe aonther destination for MFE like JFK,ORD,BOS etc....

ORD is definitley a possibility. BOS? JFK? Quite simply, never.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:45 am

So MAH4546 in your opinion, which route do you think would serve MFE first, for example within a decade? ORD with AA or EWR with CO?
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:17 am

I'd bet on some type of DL Connection or Air Tran service from ATL before either of those you mention. Even though the metro area of MFE is larger than HRL--I think they'll capitalize on the sun seekers before MFE. Remember SY use to send the occasional DC10 down to HRL.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:43 am

Drerx7 you might be right, but I sure do miss those daily 757's in MFE. In fact I flew on one in summer of '04 from MFE-EWR just used half of the runway to take off and thats because MFE has a 7,156 FT. runway.

But I sure your right about atleast getting service from ATL on Delta or Airtran, that would be a start for MFE.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:10 am

MFE needs to be a bit more stronger, I mean they are with AA and CO. I know over the past years they served quite a few airlines. I still remember when Conquest use to serve us, Aero Mexico to MEX I bleive or if not (MTY?), Continental with mainland service to MEX in the mid 90's, then aerolitoral to MTY, then NW to MEM, but in conclusion these airlines weren't strong to MFE. We need strong mainland service like AA and CO so we could have more destinations with less conections because I know MFE has potential.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:37 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
It is 44 people in both directions. That doesn't even fill up a Jetstream prop plane. 44 people is not enough, because you can't assume that everybody is going to take the non-stop. Many people won't. In addition, to get any type of good yielding business travelers, you need to offer it daily. 4x weekly doesn't work.

MFE-EWR is at least a decade away.

MAH4546-

Where are you getting the statistics to support your position? I am not arguing your position as we both see it the same way. I just remember I had a site in my favorites for it, however, to say the least - its gone. Thanks.

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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:57 pm

MFE's size is just fine. MFE's demographics aren't. It's just not the right market to support a non-stop to the northeast and doesn't have the necessary economic base yet. El Paso is larger than the Mc Allen MSA and has a stronger economic base. Even ELP doesn't have a direct flight to the NYC area. They do have ORD and many other destinations, but not NYC.

Here is a list of MSAs with economic ranking info.

Here is a sortable list of MSAs with population figures. As you can see, some of the larger MSAs have quite weak economic bases.

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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:25 pm

I don't even think Southwest serves the region nonstop from Dallas?
Just Hobby, Austin, and San Antonio.

It's all about demographics as Kanebear has stated.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:22 pm

Southwest only serves Harlingen in the Valley--not MFE tho.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:31 pm

We've had Southwest at MFE before in the Mid-90's, but it was a diversion.


HEY GUYS, I have a question for you, I remember In the Mid 90's, I'm pretty sure when Continental/America West use to code share, there was an America west 737-300 in Gate 1 at MFE, I don't know if you guys recall, since it was quite a few years back, maybe '94,'95.
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:53 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 23):
A city; a region can have a zillion people, but if they can't afford an airline ticket, airline service will not exist.

This is true of course, however I want to add one thing. CO does well from LAX to non-beach Mexican destinations. I assume people on these flights are often immigrants, and might not all be "wealthy". These people can, and do save to purchase plane tickets.

I think the difference here is that there is little DEMAND from MFE all the way up to the northeast or upper midwest. It isn't just about the money. If the demand is at a reasonably high level, enough people will find the money to make such a route work.
 
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RE: Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO?

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:24 am

I agree klwright69, but why is it the HRL gets Sun Country flights(seasonal) from MSP, is it because of the demand? Usually those flights are all Winter Texans.
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