Timmytour
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Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:38 pm

Are there any flights that operate from the US to countries upon which the US has imposed sanctions?

I mean commercial flights....drones don't count!
 
brokenrecord
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:26 pm

Not that I know of. Most of the time, if an American citizen wishes to go to a country such as Cuba or Iran, they must fly from somewhere else in the world.

In my most cases, it doesn't matter, because those countries, particularly Iran, don't let Americans in anyway.

Quoted from travel.state.gov:

"*Passport and visa required. The United States does not maintain diplomatic or consular relations with Iran. For visa information, contact the Embassy of Pakistan, Iranian Interests Section, 2209 Wisconsin Ave., NW, Washington, DC 20007 (202/965-4990). Internet: www.daftar.org. Attention: U.S. citizens may need a U.S. Treasury Department license in order to engage in any transactions related to travel to and within Iran. Before planning any travel to Iran, U.S. citizens should contact the Licensing Division, Office of Foreign Assets Control, U.S. Department of Treasury, (202/622-2480) or www.treas.gov/ofac. Authorities may confiscate U.S. passports of U.S.-Iranian dual nationals upon arrival. Therefore, the Department of State suggests leaving U.S. passports at the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate overseas prior to entering Iran and to use an Iranian passport to enter."
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:36 pm

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 1):
because those countries, particularly Iran, don't let Americans in anyway

Not quite true. I know of several Americans (by birth or naturalized citizens) who are or have been to Iran many times. Not sure how they do it, though.
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:37 pm

Sure I saw another thread stating that there are regular, scheduled DL flights from MIA to Havana....... Try searching this site.

Whoosh! Try:
DL Flying MIA-HAV Today! (by Flairport Feb 21 2004 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2005-08-26 14:40:44]
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting Vanguard (Reply 3):
Sure I saw another thread stating that there are regular, scheduled DL flights from MIA to Havana....... Try searching this site.

Though ordinary Americans are largely barred from visiting Cuba, Americans of Cuban extraction have enjoyed a little-known exemption for family visits for more than a decade. Each year, about 100,000 Cuban Americans or exiles have obtained Government licences to go to Cuba on un-publicised special charter flights from the "secret" concourse E of Miami international airport.

I believe that both AA and DL operate these flights.
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:56 pm

According to various guide books US nationals can get a permit to travel to Cuba for humanitarian reasons or to study or if they are jounalists.

The books also claim that there are many US nationals who visit Cuba illegally every year.

Apparently such visits to not contravene any Cuban law and the authorities there do not stamp their passports so that there is no record (on the passport) of the visit.
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:39 pm

As far as I know CO (I think it's Gulfstream) and AA have regularly scheduled flights to Havana from Miami. I'm not sure how they're sold but they do show up on the realtime flight arrival/departures for Miami airport. http://www.miami-airport.com/webfids/html/default.html The most popular way to get there used to be to fly to either Nassau or Montego Bay and get another ticket purchased point to point in the second country to get around the embargo.
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:39 pm

Last I remember seeing was that AA does uses there aircraft ti HAV for charters from MIA. I think it was ABC charters, but I am not too sure, and the flights did show up on FLIFO.
 
Timmytour
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:40 pm

Many thanks for the replies.

I guess the insurance arrangements would be quite interesting! What happened if a plane crashed in Cuba and killed people on the ground or damaged property. How would the airlines recompense? And what would happen about the recovery of the aircraft and arranging for transportation back to the States? How would that be sorted without payments made to Cuban entities which as I understand would be illegal!
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 1):
In my most cases, it doesn't matter, because those countries, particularly Iran, don't let Americans in anyway.

Don't associate the American point of view with that of other nations. I know that Cuba welcomes anyone, as long as they have a proper visa. In fact, they will issue you a visa on a separate sheet of paper and will stamp that paper, so the American authorities don't see that when you show them your passport upon your return.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 4):
Each year, about 100,000 Cuban Americans or exiles have obtained Government licences to go to Cuba on un-publicised special charter flights from the "secret" concourse E of Miami international airport.

I'm not sure how "secret" these flights are. I have walked past the flight information boards for AA at MIA and have seen one or two flights to Havana clearly marked.

Quoting Timmytour (Reply 8):
I guess the insurance arrangements would be quite interesting! What happened if a plane crashed in Cuba and killed people on the ground or damaged property. How would the airlines recompense? And what would happen about the recovery of the aircraft and arranging for transportation back to the States? How would that be sorted without payments made to Cuban entities which as I understand would be illegal!

I'm not in the insurance business, but I do know that many of the insurance underwriters are from nations other than the US. Even American insurance companies work with companies from other nations. I think that's how they would find a loophole.

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brokenrecord
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:05 am

Xpat, I know that Americans do go there, but like the quote from the DOS says, they don't do it on a US passport. They probably leave the US on their US passport, stop somewhere in Europe leave their US passport with family, friends, or a US Embassy or Consulate, and enter Iran on a passport from Iran or another country.
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:09 am

Cuban Americans can go, my father was born there and we still have family there.
I know my father visited a few years ago. I myself have never been, but would like to go.
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:28 am

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 1):
Not that I know of. Most of the time, if an American citizen wishes to go to a country such as Cuba or Iran, they must fly from somewhere else in the world.

In my most cases, it doesn't matter, because those countries, particularly Iran, don't let Americans in anyway.

Quoted from travel.state.gov:

"*Passport and visa required. The United States does not maintain diplomatic or consular relations with Iran. For visa information, contact the Embassy of Pakistan, Iranian Interests Section, 2209 Wisconsin Ave., NW, Washington, DC 20007 (202/965-4990). Internet: www.daftar.org. Attention: U.S. citizens may need a U.S. Treasury Department license in order to engage in any transactions related to travel to and within Iran. Before planning any travel to Iran, U.S. citizens should contact the Licensing Division, Office of Foreign Assets Control, U.S. Department of Treasury, (202/622-2480) or www.treas.gov/ofac. Authorities may confiscate U.S. passports of U.S.-Iranian dual nationals upon arrival. Therefore, the Department of State suggests leaving U.S. passports at the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate overseas prior to entering Iran and to use an Iranian passport to enter."

This is simply false. Have you ever been to Iran from the US? Do you know the real story? Finding and quoting government travel regulations on the internet is easy enough, but I think the original poster could have done that for themselves. But that doesn't give any idea of the real situation.

My parents are from Iran. Under Iranian law, I am an Iranian citizen (by birth) although I was born in the USA. Thus I am a US citizen, and an Iranian citizen (to the point that I am technically eligible for mandatory military service), both by birth. My parents and all of their ex-pat friends/family travel to Iran on a regular basis to visit. I myself have been there several times (1984, '92, and '93). It is actually quite easy, if not a bit expensive. The airline of choice is usually KLM or LH. They will book you say, ORD-FRA/AMS-THR on one booking. If you are an Iranian living abroad, even with a US passport, the authorities won't hassle you in any way. All that happens is that your bags are searched and maybe some questions asked...standard procedure. Nothing more.

As far as American tourists travelling to Iran, they are always welcome. Your passport will not be taken from you. The only thing you shouldn't do is to engage people in political conversations, or on other sensitive subjects, especially if you are a woman travelling alone. You will have your bags searched thoroughly, so don't leave valuables or prohibited objects. You will also be questioned. When in Rome do as the Romans do...and be aware of your surroundings. And you should be fine.

Also...I don't believe that travel to Iran is explicitly prohibited by US law. I may be wrong on that point. I know it is prohibited to travel to Cuba though, explicitly.

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 5):
According to various guide books US nationals can get a permit to travel to Cuba for humanitarian reasons or to study or if they are jounalists.

My University (San Diego State University, San Diego, CA, USA) has a working exchange program with some university in Cuba.

-IR
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:42 am

IRelayer, I appreciate your insight. You are correct that I have never been to Iran, so the State Department's info is all that I can go on. I have, however, been to Q'utar and Afghanistan, but Q'utar is very friendly to Americans and not a typical Middle Eastern country (I was only questioned for about a minute on my entry into Doha, and that was because of the electronics equipment I had with me), and I went to Kandahar, Afghanistan on a USAF transport, so I did not have to deal with any entry requirements.

I definitely agree that travel to Iran is not prohibited, but it is not recommended. I personally would love to visit Tehran, but as a cleared US Gov't contractor, that would be a tough trip for me to explain to investigators when my clearance is reviewed.
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:22 am

I have both an Iranian and a US passport. The Iranian gov't knows this. In fact, they even asked for a copy of my US passport (in lieu of a US visa) when I renewed my passport in Washington. As you depart Iran, they check both passports since they must insure that you have the right papers to enter the destination. The info on the US State Dept web site is exaggerated. Iranian authorities might confiscate both passports if there are legal proceedings and they don't want you to leave the country. There are many benefits to being a dual national but there is a catch: You are a full national of each country. Therefore, you cannot claim protection from the other gov't if you are in the territory of the other.
There are no problems for US to get a visa to enter Iran.
There are no direct flights but the KL flight ex-AMS to THR had (have?) NW codeshare flight numbers. I flew on a NW numbered ticket THR-AMS four years ago. There was, of course, the NW 747 that made an emergency landing at THR (Tehran Mehrabad Int'l) a couple of months back.
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:50 am

A very popular route from the US into HAV is through CUN.

MX used to do several rounds of daily (chartered) MIA-HAV and MIA-CFG (Cienfuegos) a few years ago, taking advantage of the metal and personnel in MIA as part of the several daily MIA-Mexico (several destinations) flights.

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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:55 am

There are indeed regular scheduled flights to Cuba from the US.

Here is a link with the current schedules.
http://www.destinationcuba.com/airfare.htm

As far as overflights, US airlines make use of Cuban, Iranian and North Korean airspace on a daily basis.
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 1):
American citizen wishes to go to a country such as Cuba or Iran

It is not just American Citizens. The same applies for citizens of Iran and Cuba coming this way, as well as for non-citizens and resident aliens going between the countries

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 1):
Authorities may confiscate U.S. passports of U.S.-Iranian dual nationals upon arrival.

They wont do that, ever. I am have both passports, have carried both passports to Iran and never recieved a problem

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 4):
I believe that both AA and DL operate these flights.

CO as well

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 6):
As far as I know CO (I think it's Gulfstream)

Actually, CO often uses mainline 737s on the route

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 12):
The airline of choice is usually KLM or LH.

Or BA. There is a reason LH fills 2 747s and 1 A340 a day from LAX, it is Iranians connecting on to THR
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:55 am

Continental flies charters from Miami to Havana every day (they used to at least). It's for a tour operator who takes Cuban Americans to Cuba for family visits.

It's not for sale to the general public.
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:23 am

The fares to Cuba from Miami are a rip-off for a 1 hour flight.
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:51 am

I have to agree with you Semsem, the flight MIA-HAV is not even an hour, just 45 mins. from take off to touch down. I am a Cuban born American citizen,my parents and sisters still live in Cuba, I went there last year in April I flew on Continental a Boeing 737-300 chartered from MIA to HAV.

Under the current American law if you are an American citizen or a permanent resident from Cuban origin and with close relatives in the island you are allow to travel to Cuba once every 3 years (until last summer it was once a year) without having to ask for permission to the Department of Treasure, you only have to sign an affidavit stating you are complying with the current law.

The restrictions on this case come from the American government, not the Cuban side. Cuba in most of the cases will grant a visa on the spot to an American citizen and they won't stamp you passport at your arrival or departure; the visa is give to you on a separate sheet of paper. The only inconvenience over there is the fact they can not accept credit cards issued in the US, because the credit cards companies in the US are not allow to transfer the money back to Cuba.
Travel to Cuba is not allow by the current law in the US to American citizens or to foreigners living in the US as permanent residents unless as I said before their have Cuban ancestors and close relatives currently on the island. They grant some especial permits for cultural, educational and other reasons, but those need a license from the Department of Treasure
 
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 12):
IRelayer



Quoting A300 (Reply 14):
A300



Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
N1120A

Okay, but how does a US citizen of non-Iranian birth go about getting a visa etc. I really would love to visit Iran. Is it in my favor that I used to hold an Indian passport or that my (very far) ancestors were from Iran?  Wink
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irelayer
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting Xpat (Reply 21):
Okay, but how does a US citizen of non-Iranian birth go about getting a visa etc. I really would love to visit Iran. Is it in my favor that I used to hold an Indian passport or that my (very far) ancestors were from Iran?

You shouldn't have much to worry about, as long as you heed the suggestions for traveling there you should be fine. If you are Indian you can fly from Mumbai (if you are visiting) which will probably net you a cheaper fare (on either AI or IR)...

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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:38 am

I have flown on a chartered Delta Shuttle B737-800 from JFK to HAV and back. The flight operated twice a week until Bush called off all communications between the US and Cuba.

Continental also flew or still does fly between MIA and HAV.
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:28 pm

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 22):
If you are Indian you can fly from Mumbai (if you are visiting)

That is exactly how I planned on doing this (someday). Thanks for the tip.
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RE: Flights From US To Cuba, Iran Etc

Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:53 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 4):
I believe that both AA and DL operate these flights.

Yes, they both operate charter flights to HAV. The security is amazing, both AA and DL have their own ground crew. In other words, no Cuban airport crew approaches the plane at anytime. The plane is also escorted by the military.

The flights are non-stop from MIA to HAV. (I know "Non-Stop" sounds ridiculous, but I am referring to the fact that they can flight direct, without stopping in any other country)

Any American can go to Cuba, only Cuban Americans traveling with a Cuban passport need a special visa or stamp in their Cuban passport. Americans can travel to Cuba legally if you are a Cuban American, politician, journalist or if you have a research project regarding Cuba. Others including students, religious groups, and humanitarians can apply for a license from the U.S. Treasury Department Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC).

As many as 200,000 Americans will visit Cuba this year. One Treasury Department release said that only 6,000 licenses had been issued in one-two year period, this means that many Americans are going without the government's permission.

But if you want to travel with permission:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1097.html

(But when you read what they say on that web page, you only want to close it and throw your plane ticket away. It is not objective at all and I am not talking just about Cuba)
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