Sabena332
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AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:05 am

I just booked a flight from HAM via CDG to DTW on AF, when I am looking at my itinerary I can only shake my head.

Why do I arrive in Terminal 2D? The last time when I flew from Germany to CDG, I arrived in Terminal 2F, did it change again?

My departure terminal for the DTW flight is listed as 2E, is 2E open again or is it just a mistake? I think that USA flights are departing from 2F (well, at least did I depart from 2F when I flew from CDG to the USA the last time).

Can anyone clarify the actual terminal situation at CDG?

Thanks!

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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:11 am

As for your arrival, no clue.

As for your departure, I can help. 2E is partly closed but the check-in area is open and then they bus you to remote stands where your flight will be waiting for you. They use it for long-haul destinations such as Africa and N America.
 
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting GLA MD11 (Reply 1):
As for your departure, I can help. 2E is partly closed but the check-in area is open and then they bus you to remote stands where your flight will be waiting for you.

Ah, I didn't know that 2E is partly open. Thanks for the information! Is there also an open lounge in 2E or do I have to use a lounge in another terminal?

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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:36 am

No- there are lounges in 2E. The one at the terminal is open. Some 2E flight depart from remote concourse, that they bus you to. That concourse also has a lounge.
 
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:37 am

The 2E lounge is one of the best AF lounges. There is an additional one in the remote satellite (satellite H), but it is probably not as good.

Regarding allocation of destinations to various halls in CDG2, I am not surprised that there are many small changes during a season as ADP is continuously adapting its infrastructure (check-in counters, security lines, remote satellites) after the 2E roof collapse and as AF monitors connection flows through CDG2, the most frequently used being allocated to the 2E/2F combination.

By the way, there is now a fast track security line at the main 2F1 security check point for elite and premium passengers.

[Edited 2005-08-26 17:42:57]
 
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:37 am

Sabena332,

It is impossible to know already in which Terminal you will arrive from HAM at CDG.

Flights TO HAM always leave from terminal 2D.
This doesn't mean systematically that arriving from HAM, you will disembark at Terminal 2D.

When you will arrive from HAM, if the next flight assigned to your plane is, let say ... MAD, you could be parked at the Terminal 2F1 and disembark in 2F.

If the next flight assigned to your plane is ...WAW, you could be parked at the Terminal 2B... But in that case, a bus will take you to 2D because arriving from HAM, you don't have to go through customs and immigration (Schengen area). Only the Terminal 2D and 2F1 are conceived for the schengen destinations.

If you need any specific information, don't hesitate to e-m@ail me.
 
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 3):
No- there are lounges in 2E. The one at the terminal is open. Some 2E flight depart from remote concourse, that they bus you to. That concourse also has a lounge.

Good to know that, thanks for the info!

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 4):
The 2E lounge is one of the best AF lounges.

When there would be no lounge in 2E, I would use the 2F lounge because it is much better than the lounges in the A, B, C and D terminals.

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 4):
By the way, there is now a fast track security line at the main 2F1 security check point for elite and premium passengers.

Perfect, security can take ages at CDG sometimes. I will have both a Business CLass ticket and a FlyingBlue elite card, so I guess it's no problem for me to use it.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
Flights TO HAM always leave from terminal 2D.

Am I right when I think that DUS is the only flight to Germany that departs from 2F? Why is it the only flight and are there plans to move all other flights to Germany also to 2F?

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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:53 am

When we took AF from BOS-ATH via CDG, i thought it was the worst airport i have transfered in in my life. why have numbers and letters? certainly was confusing.
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:04 am

Get ready for Mr. Toad's wild ride.

I flew LHR-CDG-ATL-SAN on Air France and CDG is really hurtin'. It took me a full hour to get from one terminal to the other on two buses. I arrived at a T2C I think and then took a bus to T2D, but the drivers weren't annoucing the stops and the bus was packed so I had to really fight to see any signage for exits to the particular terminals. While the bus was snaking through the various terminals, I saw another bus market "ATLANTA" and I knew we were hard standed. It was weird because my bus passed the "ATLANTA" bus, so I knew I was in for another bus trip. Finally, I got to T2D and we had to be re-screened for the flight to Atlanta. I didn't realize we had exited a sterile area. I got to the Atlanta gate and then took another "ATLANTA" bus to the hardstand where the A340 was waiting. The bus from the terminal to the hardstand took about 20 minutes. It was excruciating, turn after turn after turn.

I hope they get that terminal fixed because I really like Air France.
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:24 am

Yeah, AF is suffering from bad service from ADP -the Company that manages the terminals- at CDG.

CDG could be much better an airport with an efficient Airport Management.

And those buses... Jeez what a mess
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 9):
Yeah, AF is suffering from bad service from ADP -the Company that manages the terminals- at CDG.

CDG could be much better an airport with an efficient Airport Management.

And those buses... Jeez what a mess

From another thread, I posted:

"Ah, CDG....

What a paradox: a horribly run, yet very well designed airport.. It COULD be so good!

I don't think AF is really to blame here, or even their patchy ground staff. How would you like to work under the tyranny of 8 different fiefdoms, all in mortal combat for heaven knows what political supremacy...AKA: ADP "The Beast that does the will of the Beast" If you want a case study in diabolical buracracy, look know futher. I think if we were in the 14th century, Dante would have cited CDG as one his chambers of hell, or at least purgatory!!

The thing is, it needn't be that way. There's nothing wrong with the DESIGN of the airport. It's just run like a third world city (but then so is LHR).

But I digress... To the matter at hand: Transfers...

i) Courage
ii) Read this map VERY carfully http://www.adp.fr/webadp/a_cont01_an...DC15F/$File/Parc%20CDG_2004_v2.pdf
ii) The shuttles DO work. You just need faith
iii) If you value your luggage, pick it up and re-check it (i.e. allow 90mins). ADP loose around 10% if all luggage transferred at CDG (full stop)
iv) There IS a pedestrian underpass: I've used it a number of times and I THINK it's between 2A-2C to 2B-2D; You may also be able to cross over at the TGV station.
v) Take heart: they are building an inter-terminal shuttle train
vi) Read the signs VERY carefully and STICK to your last sure direction. In my experience, you will arrive at your destination.

And another thing, I know it's a philosphical abstraction at the time, but try to image yourself not speaking English at LHR or JFK or SYD and think what sort of reception you might get, particulary at JFK Immigration (Ahhgg).

Hope this helps.

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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:21 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
Am I right when I think that DUS is the only flight to Germany that departs from 2F? Why is it the only flight and are there plans to move all other flights to Germany also to 2F?

Right. DUS id the only AF flight to Germany to leave from 2F.
The reason is that DUS is the German destination that generates a lot of transit/connecting passengers at CDG, while on the other destinations (particulalrly MUC and FRA) the traffic is much more "point to point" passengers (Businessmen), and 2D is more convenient for that kind of PAX.

Initially, all the flights to Germany should have been transferred to 2F ... and AF's activity restricted to 2C/2D and 2E/2F which would have been much easier for everybody. Then part of the 2E's collapsed...
 
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:56 pm

About the transfer in CDG
1) If you have an AF ticket, read the maps printed with your ticket (or in the inflight magazine) (How many passengers never look at their tikets or the pages printed together, whatever the airline)

2) For the ABCD terminals, if the 2 terminals are on opposite sides, and you are afraid to take the bus, go to nthe boutiquaire area (shops, pharmacy...) on the basement level. You will cross safely.

3) if you take the bus, there is a color system, to choose the one you want. In addition, inside the bus, raise your eyes. there is text information announcing the next stop.

I hope it will make you connections in CDG easier
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RE: AF At CDG, The Big Terminal Confusion

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:01 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
ADP "The Beast that does the will of the Beast" If you want a case study in diabolical buracracy, look know futher. I think if we were in the 14th century, Dante would have cited CDG as one his chambers of hell, or at least purgatory!!

lol

Well I had heard a couple of months ago that ADP's capital would be open to the public, so that might change their "balance in mediocrity", or at least change the setting. (I am an optimistic person...)
CDG to me is not a practical airport, mostly because of ADP. T2 looks good -but it is a question of taste, so everybody might feel differently...- and it is too bad for all airlines there to suffer form bad airport Management...

Terminal 1 is kinda creepy too...

Anyways, I think the best part of it is in T2, the duty free area where all America-bound flights are. (Except the restaurant!). Plenty of light, good view on the South runway, quite pleasant.
The worst imho are the shuttles. You ave to make your way with luggage between cars to get to buses most of the time, and the drivers are... let's say they do not speak English and do not seem over-motivated by their jobs  Wink
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