hardiwv
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LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:34 am

Today the Board of StarAlliance officially approved Swiss and South African Airways as the new members of StarAlliance. (their application was first approved in June/05, but today they were approved as full members).

With both new partners Star will serve 846 destinations in 151 countries, with about 16,000 daily flights.

Rgs,
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:42 am

Excellent, Star Alliance keeps on growing!
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:58 am

Great news for LX!

I am a regular traveller with Swiss, and I also have a bmi credit card. Will I be able to use my bmi miles for Swiss Travel Club miles?
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:03 am

I just hope that LH doesn't cut back any more with Swiss. They really need to expand their international network, as they have a superior product and great employees.
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:13 am

So what will happen with the SA and DL codeshare?
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hardiwv
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:17 am

Quoting LooneyToon (Reply 4):
So what will happen with the SA and DL codeshare?

I think they could still coperate. The same way TP handled its codeshare with CO: both are still partner airlines. Another example: RG (Star) and AZ (Sky) also codeshare flights GRU-MXP. There are many other examples around...
But I assume that at some time in the future SA will get closer to UA, i.e. see its flights to IAD!

Rgs,
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting LooneyToon (Reply 4):
So what will happen with the SA and DL codeshare?

SA has no plans to change the DL relationship for the near/medium future. It would also be foolish for DL to exit the relationship at this time, given the state of their current finances. SA provides significant feed traffic for DL and at pro-rates that are far more favorable to DL than to SA.
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting Cambrian (Reply 2):
Great news for LX!

I am a regular traveller with Swiss, and I also have a bmi credit card. Will I be able to use my bmi miles for Swiss Travel Club miles?

LX starts co-operating with TAP and Austrian in october, visit the LX website often as I expect it would not be long before a BD co-op.!
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 6):

SA has no plans to change the DL relationship for the near/medium future. It would also be foolish for DL to exit the relationship at this time, given the state of their current finances. SA provides significant feed traffic for DL and at pro-rates that are far more favorable to DL than to SA.

Incorrect. They have already publicly stated they will begin to phase out their Delta partnership when they join Star Alliance. Atlanta service will end, with the likely result being an increase in Dulles service and a return to Miami. They also plan to resume Bangkok. SAA's CEO talked about all of this about two months ago when they launched Dulles.
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Today the Board of StarAlliance officially approved Swiss and South African Airways as the new members of StarAlliance

nothing on Star Alliance website about any board decision today - may I ask your source?
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:30 am

Great news if it's reality...if anyone has any information, please post it as this would be crucial to a trip i'm planning for next summer.
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:37 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Atlanta service will end, with the likely result being an increase in Dulles service and a return to Miami.

Why would they return to Miami given Star's tiny presence there?
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
nothing on Star Alliance website about any board decision today - may I ask your source?

See here: http://www.star-alliance.com/star_al...chive/HTML/News20050608alStar.html

Star Alliance approves SWISS membership

NAGOYA, JAPAN – June 2, 2005 – At its bi-annual meeting held in Kyoto, Japan, the Chief Executive Board of Star Alliance, the airline network for Earth™, voted unanimously to accept the application for membership of Swiss International Air Lines.

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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:18 am

Wow! This is great for the star alliance! Will definitly be pretty benificial to the star alliance members.

Congrats Swiss and SAA!
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:37 am

They accepted their membership, but does that mean they are now ACTIVE partners in Star Alliance?
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:48 am

i'll think you find, this is a bit out of date, most people are aware of swiss and saa joining, but it takes about a year to process everthing, so its looking like spring 06 for swiss, tho not so sure when saa will join, sometime around the early part of 06..
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:09 pm

SAA has been involved in joining Star Alliance for over one year. It is the longest prep ever.
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:23 pm

Being an airline employee I don't count on things such as FFP's, onward boarding passes, and multi airline ticketing...... I am usually on point to point stand-by tickets for personal travel. But I am thinking *isn't the Star Alliance getting so big that the relationship between members is getting less and less meaningful* ..... with so many members how can they provide accurate info about one another ..... can the employees of these airlines even remember who all the other member airlines are ? I am part of the *Oneworld* crowd (BA) and it would seem that it is must easier to administor a smaller grouping of fairly formidable carriers and have them work closer together for seamless travel. (before I get bashed I know it isnt always seamless !!! )
Any comments from those that are the Frequent Flyers and experience these *relationships* from a *commercial* and not an *employee* perspective ?

Thanks
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:47 pm

There is a Star Alliance flight operations committee meeting in London in 2 weeks time and SAA will be represented, read into that what you want...
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:51 pm

http://www.staralliance.com/star_alliance/star/frame/main_10.html

Star Alliance homepage not updated yet (no updates 2005?).
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:35 pm

Interesting to see TP and LX in the same alliance again. Remember Qualiflyer anyone?! I think One World missed an opportunity with LX. Star keeps growing, One World seems to stuck at the terminal.
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:30 pm

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 20):
I think One World missed an opportunity with LX. Star keeps growing, One World seems to stuck at the terminal.

After Swiss International to join oneworld airline alliance on 23-sep-2003, came oneworld releases Swiss International Air Lines from its commitment to join the global alliance on 3-jun-2004. It seems SWISS didn't agree with some parts of the BA agreement needed to become a member....

Despite the "reduced" number of airlines, it dont think OW is stuck at all... One shouldn't just compare the numbers of airlines (or you would also have to count all OW regional franchises) but the flights and destinations served.

Star has 16 airlines + 3 so-called regional members + SouthAfrican and Swiss to come (Overall, the member carriers offer more than 15,000 daily flights to 795 destinations in 139 countries)
Skyteam has 9 airlines+ 4 associates to come + Aeroflot and China Southern to come (SkyTeam offers its 343.6 million annual passengers a worldwide system of more than 15,000 daily flights covering all major destinations)
Oneworld has 8 airlines + malev to come (around 600 destinations in 134 countries, more than 8,000 departures a day, carried more than 230 million passengers in 2004)

Oneworld has always said that "will only recruit airlines where they add value both to our customers and to our existing partners" so the numbers are not important while the important numbers (finantial) are OK.
New moves for OW could be LAN affiliates in Argentina and Ecuador (really don't have a clue why they're out) SN Brussels and Mexicana, depending on the selling process
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 14):
They accepted their membership, but does that mean they are now ACTIVE partners in Star Alliance?

same article

Quote:

With the two confirmed new members South African Airways and SWISS the Star Alliance network will in future cover some 846 destinations in 151 countries, with the 18 member carriers operating nearly 16,000 flights per day.
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BHXFAOTIPYYC
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:47 pm

Some good points there Aisak. Any idea why you could once collect BA miles on EK but not now?
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:50 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Today the Board of StarAlliance officially approved Swiss and South African Airways as the new members of StarAlliance. (their application was first approved in June/05, but today they were approved as full members).

With both new partners Star will serve 846 destinations in 151 countries, with about 16,000 daily flights.

Rgs,

Today ???? I really can't see any info about it ? What is your source !!!
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:14 pm

This is such a very good news!  Smile

I am SK staff and seeing more members in STAR is good for my ID travel  Smile

GO STAR!!
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CV990
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:19 pm

Hi!

It looks that lately a few more airlines joined StarAlliance; TAP/SWISS/SAA! any news from other alliances?
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eyeonthesky17
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:47 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Incorrect. They have already publicly stated they will begin to phase out their Delta partnership when they join Star Alliance. Atlanta service will end, with the likely result being an increase in Dulles service and a return to Miami. They also plan to resume Bangkok. SAA's CEO talked about all of this about two months ago when they launched Dulles.

This is true. ATL will eventually be moved to IAD. Also I've read that JFK could be moved EWR. I'd miss seeing the 343 leaving Kennedy.

Quoting Simong (Reply 17):
I am part of the *Oneworld* crowd (BA) and it would seem that it is must easier to administor a smaller grouping of fairly formidable carriers and have them work closer together for seamless travel. (before I get bashed I know it isnt always seamless !!! )

OneWorld is a much smaller alliance than Star and it is true that it can be difficult to navigate through the Star relationships. However, the value that Star brings to the corporate client is unmatched. AA will begin to feel some pain in the Northeast and ORD as LH takes full ownership of LX. Many large AA clients depend on the LX inclusion for trans-Atlantic travel. GVA and ZRH are dominant destinations out of NYC,BOS, ORD, and IAD. AA will no longer have antitrust immunity with a major European carrier and once again UA has acquired a strong partner. 2006 is bound to be interesting.
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:22 pm

Quoting Eyeonthesky17 (Reply 27):
OneWorld is a much smaller alliance than Star and it is true that it can be difficult to navigate through the Star relationships. However, the value that Star brings to the corporate client is unmatched. AA will begin to feel some pain in the Northeast and ORD as LH takes full ownership of LX. Many large AA clients depend on the LX inclusion for trans-Atlantic travel. GVA and ZRH are dominant destinations out of NYC,BOS, ORD, and IAD. AA will no longer have antitrust immunity with a major European carrier and once again UA has acquired a strong partner. 2006 is bound to be interesting.

I definitely agree about that, and also feel that it would be a one-two punch to American because of SAA, the only, in my mind, legitimate carrier to Africa in terms of service level, airplanes, destinations and frequencies.
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting LooneyToon (Reply 4):
So what will happen with the SA and DL codeshare?

They stop the codesharing soon with the move out of ATL, AFAIK.

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 20):
I think One World missed an opportunity with LX.

LX did not want to hand over its premium customer files (Circle, Gold + Silver hardholders ) to BA.

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 23):
Any idea why you could once collect BA miles on EK but not now?

They have also stopped their partnership.
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:37 am

I'm thrilled about this official move. I've been waiting months to use some miles on Swiss!!!
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:46 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):

Why would they return to Miami given Star's tiny presence there?

Largest South African community in North America and third largest US-Africa travel market after NYC and DC.
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:22 am

So, A346 service to ATL will end?  ashamed  I was hoping to see it before it pulls out. Anyone know when it will end service to ATL? It shows flights all the way out to next summer... Also, maybe other A346 service will spring up with SA joining the Star Alliance?  hyper 
 
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RE: LX And SA Officially Join StarAlliance

Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 12):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
nothing on Star Alliance website about any board decision today - may I ask your source?

See here: http://www.star-alliance.com/star_al...chive/HTML/News20050608alStar.html

Star Alliance approves SWISS membership

The title of the thread is not true. LX and SA have not officially joined Star. As the link above says, the board in June approved LX's decision to join, but they are not official members yet.
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