YoungFlyer
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Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:39 am

Hi,
I am a new member here and I hope this topic hasn't been discussed. I made a number of connections this year at CDG and we had to use so meant buses I lost count. One off the plane, between terminals, then to board the plane... Now as my username states I am a young flyer and haven't been to too many airports to have a full biased opinion on the subject. However, this was probably the worst connections I have had. Is this a norm in most airports?

Thanks for your opinions,
Dan
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muttley35
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:06 am

In my rather limited experience CDG does use buses more than any other airport I have encountered .Partly I understand due to the roof collapse there a couple years back, though someone with better knowledge of CDG than me could give you a more detailed explanation as to why buses are so commonly used there.
Having only passed through CDG a couple times I found it to not be the best place to have close connection times especially if you arrive at 2E and need to leave from certain gates in 2F.
I am sure there are airports which are equally as bad to pass through if not worse but CDG is the worst I have encountered.
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YoungFlyer
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:20 am

here's another question. why is the situation like this?

Dan
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BostonGuy
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:23 am

Quoting YoungFlyer (Reply 2):
here's another question. why is the situation like this?

Oh, the French really enjoy doing things with a twist.

Sometimes they make sense and work, sometimes they don't.
 
centralca
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:44 am

I've been to CDG but never connected there. However, last month I connected through MAD and could argue that it is in the same position. Especially when connecting from domestic to international and vice versa, buses everywhere. There should be less hassles when Iberia's new terminal opens.
 
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:11 pm

Quoting BostonGuy (Reply 3):
Oh, the French really enjoy doing things with a twist.

Hopefully all the French are not like this, but one surely does enjoy things with a twist : Mr Paul ANDREU, the designer of CDG airport. Just have a look at the excalator system in CDG1 to have a perfect example of such a 'thing with a twist'  Smile

As for buses, well firstly CDG is an airport with a lot of 'gates' but rather few jetways. This allows to maximize the number of planes that can be handled at the same time without having to build huge and expensive terminals. This is however really inconvenient for the PAX.

As for buses between terminal, I don't know what kind of connection you were doing through CDG, but if you were to connect between 2 planes coming from and leaving to a country outside of the Schengen zone, this bus allows you to go from one terminal to the other without having to go through immigration and customs (hence no need of visa). You stay within the in-transit area and you don't technically enter the French territory.

Hope this help,

JumboForever
 
BMIFlyer
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:34 pm

Quoting YoungFlyer (Thread starter):
Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Mybe because AF is one of Airbus' biggest customers?  Wink Big grin



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EmmenezMoi
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:38 am

I agree that CDG uses a lot of buses, but after coming back from FRA today, I can tell you that I prefer using buses to walking for miles as you literally need to do at FRA (and probably other airports)...
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yago
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:49 am

You were simply unlucky.

You cannot park all the a/c connected to the terminal and in your case it happened twice.

Then I believe you had to move from T2 to T1 (or from T1 to T2) as they are far away.

That's all.
 
ozglobal
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:08 am

CDG would be much more pleasant if 2E were operating. Without it, it is a V6 firing on 4 1/2 cylinders! Hence, nowhere near enough gates to handle the traffic at T2, hence buses to stands. Then, T2 is very big and stradles two sides of a four lane highway. There are underpasses and you can actually walk between any two T2 terminal sectors, but you need some time and energy. Hence, intra-T2 buses. Finally, if you have the bad manners not to be flying a SkyTeam carrier (or one world BA, CX) then you are at T1. If you need to connect form T2 to T1, guess what? More buses.

Good news, next year the intra-Roissy train will open, eliminating buses between terminals. Then when 2E is rebuilt, there will be almost enough gates and fewer planes and stands, hence fewer air-side buses. Heaven.
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kaitak744
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:41 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
Mybe because AF is one of Airbus' biggest customers?

No, he ment why are there so many remote stands comapared to the number of gates.
 
YoungFlyer
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 9):
Good news, next year the intra-Roissy train will open, eliminating buses between terminals.

now that is a little more like it! still think that a AF A340 should get a gate and not an AF A320.
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RE: Why So Many Buses In CDG?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:37 pm

This situation is present in many large international airports, where for space contraints and economic reasons, it simply isn't feasible to have every stand connected to the terminals. With lots of flights into and out of these airports it means that a percentage of flights will be from remote stands. This may seem inconvenient to passengers, but it is necessary to optimise the space available. In some cases if the airports were to attempt to connect these remote stands, it could mean building very tall bridges across taxi-ways as at LGW or possible underground tunnels, either of which could result in numerous complaints about the distance passengers have to walk. Even with T5 at LHR, there will be remote stands in use. There have been efforts to maximise the number of stands with jetways and at the same time reduce the time taken by passengers to reach each gate, but there isn't enough space to build jetways to each stand without reducing the space available for aircraft parking and taxiing.

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