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PIA To Change Livery

Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:44 am

Just read the following at:

http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/v...d=28a067f388ca4ee3265460a8813e13d5

seems as though the new CEO wants to make better use of the tail and replace that lifeless looking flag.


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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:57 am

Thank God. They had such a nice interim traditional-patterned tail that would have looked better than this Windows '92 icon logo.
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:15 pm

Well the new livery can not be any more bland than this one, that's for sure! I just hope they don't borrow too much from the NAF old one.

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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:34 pm

Firstly, the link doesn't work. Well, at least not here.

Secondly, this is only posted by someone on a forum. There is no 'proper' source on this one.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:40 pm

To be honest, I quite like that livery.

I hated it at first, the beige bit just looks dirty, but its grown on me now.

Its better than the really rubbish old one with the green tail that just had PIA in the middle!
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:12 am

THANK GOODNESS

Their old scheme was way better, the green belly looked stunning.

How can anybody mistake your brand when you have a green tail and the PIA letters on. I miss those days. Now, you have to look at a small flag that you can barely see from a few meters/feet away.

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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:18 am

Anything is better than the current one. It is another underwelming livery (like the new USAirways one). I think those folks at airline HQs should look at modified airliners' database for inspiration.

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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:33 am

quite plausible, they might want to have a better livery on their new B772LRs. After all they are the launch customers, and even Boeing would want them to have something better.
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:37 am

Good Decision.The Livery was too Simple.
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:05 am

Its a very bad and cheap knock-off of El Al's color scheme. There is no real "excitement" to the livery with a white/brown fuselage and flag.
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Sunnyb (Reply 3):
Firstly, the link doesn't work. Well, at least not here.

Secondly, this is only posted by someone on a forum. There is no 'proper' source on this one.

Relax; the link works fine and it is sourced.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:13 am

I like to see some new colors on there planes they are SO plain looking.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:19 am

They should take a page out of SriLankan's book ... tho the bird looks like it's hardly able to stay airborne.

And they should definitely fatten up the PIA letters if they retain them where they are now. Anything on that tail is an improvement from now. The planes look like they're in a wet lease or something.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:46 pm

The old PIA colors and the bold "PIA" on that tail were stunning, all they needed to do to it was modify it and update it a little and it would have looked even better, not a radical overhaul as they did.
Hopefully if they do decide to revise the scheme it will be a bit more colorful.
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:01 am

I drew this not long after the new Livery was first shown. this was my idea for replacing the very flacid looking tail design:


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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:22 am

Good effort GARPD. The tail design doesn't work for me though. Not enough dark green going on; looks more like brown to me.

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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 15):
Good effort GARPD. The tail design doesn't work for me though. Not enough dark green going on; looks more like brown to me.

RK yes

then I suggest you check the gamma and RGB settings on your monitor. Tis a very lively dark green  Wink
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 5):
Their old scheme was way better, the green belly looked stunning.

Exactly. They should go back to that nicer green first of all and get rid of that sand color too, please.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 5):
How can anybody mistake your brand when you have a green tail and the PIA letters on. I miss those days. Now, you have to look at a small flag that you can barely see from a few meters/feet away.

Looks like a flag of a pirate ship one sees in the movies.. that's how ugly that design is (besides not even been the same green as the real Pakistani flag)

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 6):
Its a very bad and cheap knock-off of El Al's color scheme. There is no real "excitement" to the livery with a white/brown fuselage and flag.

From a design standpoint, it's pretty much impossible to design an uglier look than this.

El Als livery is also a downgrade from their previous corporate look but at least the tail looks proper. No doubt whoever 'designed' this copied it and had the brilliant idea of adding that boring sand color Saudia Arabian uses.

Quoting LH455 (Reply 12):
They should take a page out of SriLankan's book ... tho the bird looks like it's hardly able to stay airborne.

Exactly, that desinflated peacock on drugs that looks like a kid's ballon toy is another horrible design. Stupid livery that replaced yet another very classy, well-designed corporate image just because some marketing guru nerd thought "maybe it isn't modern enough".


GARPDs tail design is an improvement as is this one which flows well and almost saves this ugly design, but again, that's impossible.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00001442

LEsson of the day is? Spend a few $ on a corporate image that will look good so that people wont get tired of ir in 2 years. ALso this new crop of marketing guru nerds should be required to at least get a minor in arts.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:50 am

Excellent design, GARPD.

The new designs are supposed to represent the 4 provinces of Pakistan... any ideas of what images they may be? Could this end up like the BA world tails "fiasco"?

(I put the ""s because I actually loved the world tails! Silly)
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 18):
The new designs are supposed to represent the 4 provinces of Pakistan...

If a Pakistani reads this, he will "fry" you. Pakistan has officially and de facto (as a matter of state effectiveness in accordance with international law) five provinces:

- Baluchistan
- Punjab
- Sindh
- NWFP (North-West Frontier Province)
- Kashmir

The size of the underlined is argued by representatives of two countries (both sides claim the full territory), though one part is is under full Pakistani administration and hence belongs to Pakistan. (I tried to formulate this as neutral as I can, as I am not part of this conflict and take distance and condemn the fight)

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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:12 am

Well I must be in a minority because I think the current PIA livery is excellent. Though it is simple it is easily identifable.

Simple and elegant I say, Ashley, I say simple and elegant !

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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:34 am

Quoting Hals (Reply 20):
Well I must be in a minority because I think the current PIA livery is excellent. Though it is simple it is easily identifable.

Simple and elegant I say, Ashley, I say simple and elegant !

Obvisously you are  Wink

The fuselage is fine. I like the large PIA titles and the sweeping green boarder between the white and cream.

The only thing that lets it all down is the tail and the pathetic badly stylised flag.
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:57 am

the tail is the biggest problem imo.
So uninspired and so dull.

The fuselage isn't that great either, and says nothing about the country but could have been worse.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 19):
(as a matter of state effectiveness in accordance with international law) five provinces:

- Baluchistan
- Punjab
- Sindh
- NWFP (North-West Frontier Province)
- Kashmir

Pakistan has always had 4 provinces only. Azad Kashmir has been given the status of a State according to the UN resolution. It has its own government and prime minister umbrellaed by the Federal government. A citizen of Azad Kashmir can not vote in the Pakistan general elections.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 19):
If a Pakistani reads this, he will "fry" you

Read it in the original link provided! Sorry if it caused any annoyances  Yeah sure
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:09 am

I hope they do change the livery. The body looks good but the colours are too weak. It is difficult to see the difference between the white and the cream.

The tail logo needs more definition and needs to be a like more symbolic of the country rather than the limp flag they have.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:59 pm

Quoting PIA747 (Reply 23):
Pakistan has always had 4 provinces only. Azad Kashmir has been given the status of a State according to the UN resolution. It has its own government and prime minister umbrellaed by the Federal government. A citizen of Azad Kashmir can not vote in the Pakistan general elections.

Thanks for this interesting clarification, and for this information that people in the Pakistani-controlled Kashmir (or what you call Azad Kashmir) are not allowed to vote in General Elections.

However, what surprises me is that the statehood criteria - if you follow the theory of state effectiveness - does not give the referred territory the status of an own state - at the most of an internal state - and there is a huge difference! Even if you follow the doctrine of recognition, the statehood criteria is not given. Hence, it looks rather like an act of oppression to have such a rule, and with this provision it is acknowledged that Kashmir does not have the full status. I wonder how much power the govt of Kashmir has.

Really interesting info. These comments are not supposed to cause any irritation but rather see this out of a legal perspective (I am NEUTRAL!).

Quoting Vasu (Reply 24):
Read it in the original link provided! Sorry if it caused any annoyances

I have to apoligize to you, Vasu. As we have seen, I was the one who did not know the facts.
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RE: PIA To Change Livery

Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:53 am

Niji.. I will "moderate" your post aka delete it, keep the political part out Big grin .. j/k


I will have to design a livery for them, don't know if they will seriously consider it though as I don't compromise style for modernistic boring junk with dull, wrong colors.  Wink

Here you have PIA trying to imitate El Al/Saudia. and Air Blue trying to imitate Jetblue.. That's nice. < Yawn >