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ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:45 am

Hello everyone! I am in a class in Everett today. The first ANZ 777-200ER is sitting outside the paint shops up here in full colors! SWEET!
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:05 am

I've been waiting to see what the build status of those aircraft were... Pictures?

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:02 am

As soon as you get the pictures would you post them up? Thanks
 
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Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:19 am

Holy crap....I was just going to start a thread asking when it would roll out. They start AKL-SFO 2 months from tommorow! SWEET!

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:28 am

Well I suppose the 772ER is due for delivery soon.

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:25 am

yep end of sep, love to see the pics tho
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:35 pm

I'll see what I can do. I didn't have my camera with me, since I was in training at the plant. But there are several photographers up here. I thought this message might get their attention.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:15 pm

 hyper 

Pictures, pictures please

Quoting Zeekiel (Reply 4):
Well I suppose the 772ER is due for delivery soon.

September 28th, if I remember correctly

Under two months till my NZ B772ER experience Smile
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:29 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Under two months till my NZ B772ER experience

Lucky bugger. I have to wait until the 3rd December.  Smile

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:03 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
September 28th, if I remember correctly

Like I always say, things can change, and guess what, they have. ZK-OKA will now be delivered on 30th September.

In other news. ZK-OKB will be delivered on October 7th. ZK-OKC will arrive in December, ZK-OKD is to be retained by Boeing for a while to test 787 flight control software, and will have its delivery delayed from January 06, until July. ZK-OKE is moved forward 1 month to April. ZK-OKF and OKG remain as planned, due in September and November of next year.

Hope the info helps

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:06 pm

We're all like little kids, getting a cool new toy, or just like anyone opening anything cool.

It will be nice to see those birds in NZ Colours round NZ. Unfortunately not round Wellington except at the start.
 
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Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:22 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):

Again us kiwis can always trust NZ1. Was NZ selected as the 'test dummy' for the B787 technology cause of NZs B787 order?

Quoting Air NZ (Reply 10):
It will be nice to see those birds in NZ Colours round NZ.

Cancel regional airports for that matter

Quoting Air NZ (Reply 10):
Unfortunately not round Wellington except at the start.

Is a New Zealand Tour confirmed?
 
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Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:28 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Is a New Zealand Tour confirmed?

No idea, I just hope so, Or I won't be seeing one for a long time probably, because I won't be in Auckland any time soon.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:56 pm

Well, at least hope for a fly-by around Auckland before it lands.. Not like the A320 did..

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Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Not like the A320 did

I'm pretty sure the A320 did a low level around Auckland city before it landed at AKL. Was very poorly publicised though.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:47 pm

a preview for my Kiwi brethren, until the photos come along  Smile

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4517/anz772er8jf.jpg
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:51 pm

Next time I head up to Everett on a sunny day, I'll try to get a shot of it at Paine Field. Keep in mind, the picture may not be the best, but at least you guys will get a glimpse. I'll most likely post it as a separate subject matter.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:12 pm

Sure to be a nice looking bird, shame they didn't go with GE's tho...(just my personal preference, don't get jumpy guys!)
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 17):
Sure to be a nice looking bird, shame they didn't go with GE's tho...(just my personal preference, don't get jumpy guys!)

don't worry! GE would be my choice aswell  Wink Only because they are the biggest ones.... The bigger the better!
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:43 pm

Just was wondering why the Economy seat pitch on the 777 is 32 inches. I thought Air NZ prided themselves on a 34 inch pitch? I know one answer is probably money, but is there anything else?
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting USA1984 (Reply 19):
Just was wondering why the Economy seat pitch on the 777 is 32 inches.

The 767s which the 777s will be replacing have 32 inch pitch. The 34 inch is only on the 747s, and will remain after the cabin upgrade.

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Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 17):
Sure to be a nice looking bird, shame they didn't go with GE's tho...(just my personal preference, don't get jumpy guys!)

Alitalia my friend! Ciao! Hey, which engines did they order?
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 21):
Hey, which engines did they order?

RR Trents  Smile

Will they have the same cabins as the new 744's?

Rob!  Smile
 
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:50 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 21):
Hey, which engines did they order?

RR 892 AFAIK.

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Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:51 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 21):
Alitalia my friend! Ciao! Hey, which engines did they order?

RR's as B742 said...

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Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 24):
RR's as B742 said...

How've you been?

Doing good! I'll shoot you an email. I agree with you though... Would have preferred their 777s with GEs. Makes sense since they've specified Trent 1000s on their 787s, huh?

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 22):

Will they have the same cabins as the new 744's?

Apart from the seat pitch, the cabins are the same. So it fits into a nice little package.

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 25):
Would have preferred their 777s with GEs.

We all love our types. As you said they may be looking for commonality and certain performance envelopes to meet. Also they operate the RR engines on the 744 (although only on a few of the fleet).

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:40 am

im sure we can wait another 3 days, to see such a wonderful aircraft, come to such a good airline, probley won't get my experiance on it till, next year, when I travel on the SFO route,
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:01 am

Yes I get to fly the 772 in late Nov SFO AKL...hooray!
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:07 am

So the 777 is replacing the 763? Does that mean the LAX 763 routes will be going to the 772 eventually?
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:19 am

I too have wondered why the Rollers for this type. Certainly it would not have been based on the fuel burn!
I suspect that there is some sort of power by the hour contract and RR underbid GE.
From other threads on this list it appears that the Trent on the 747-400's has been quite a headache to operators. Of course the Trent on the -200ER is a much larger engine, probably different in construction. However a power by the hour deal throws the responsibility for the mechanical performance of the engine back on others. I would imagine premature removals above a certain parameter would also cost the power by the hour supplier. Also I am sure such a contract requires spare engines to be available under clearly specified terms.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:07 am

Rolls Royce engines on 772 for ANZ. They have ordered the wrong engines before namely the first three 744s had RB211s and the remaining five had CF6s.

I heard a whisper that Rolls Royce were paying some sort of penalty as the RB211s were not as efficient as the GEs. Granted most of ANZs GE 744s were 2nd hand but the first GE powered 744 (ZK-NBW) was bought new.

I believe ANZ often aims to have both types so the engineering division can seek more overhaul business. This is why they went for the IAE 2500 on the Airbus fleet after an excellant run with CFMs on the 733 fleet.

ANZ will experience what is fast becoming the most reliable EIS engine in the GE115B on the 773ERs when they replace the 744s and then folks they willo wonder why they didn't order GEs on the 787 in the first place. Big grin
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:16 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 30):
From other threads on this list it appears that the Trent on the 747-400's has been quite a headache to operators.

The RR engine for the 744 is the RB211, not the Trent.
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:13 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 31):
This is why they went for the IAE 2500 on the Airbus fleet after an excellant run with CFMs on the 733 fleet.

I believe P&W have an interest in the IAE 2500, also I believe P&W and NZ are ( or were) partners in the Christchurch overhaul facility. Not sure if this means anything.
I don't believe NZ is able to overhaul the new big engines; something to do with test cell limitations.
 
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 33):
P&W and NZ are ( or were) partners in the Christchurch overhaul facility.

Yes, the CHC facility is a joint venture between ANZES and P&W.

I am pretty sure the intention behind the RR order was to ensure ANZES would be able to offer service on the Trent series of engines. I am sure our resident ANZES employee NZ1 will be able to shed a bit more light on the matter...

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Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:26 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 31):
Granted most of ANZs GE 744s were 2nd hand but the first GE powered 744 (ZK-NBW) was bought new.

ZK-NBW was the last 744 NZ received, it and NBV were the last 2 which were new builds. ZK-SUH, SUI and SUJ were second hand, though SUJ hadn't flown before NZ took it. ZK-SUH was the first GE powered 744 in the fleet, ex Varig and delivered sometime in 1994.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:01 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 14):
I'm pretty sure the A320 did a low level around Auckland city before it landed at AKL. Was very poorly publicised though.

Yes ZK-OJA did, and it was on both TV3 and TV1 news that night

Quoting B742 (Reply 22):
Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 21):
Hey, which engines did they order?

RR Trents

NZs B787s will also have RR, I think the RR 1000

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 29):
So the 777 is replacing the 763? Does that mean the LAX 763 routes will be going to the 772 eventually?

Yes and yes
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Was NZ selected as the 'test dummy' for the B787 technology cause of NZs B787 order?

That might have had something to do with it, yes.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Is a New Zealand Tour confirmed?

Not definite yet.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
NZ1: Any time being allocated at this stage? Mid-afternoon?

Time is still being thrashed out. Will let you know when I can.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 32):
The RR engine for the 744 is the RB211, not the Trent.

Our RR 744's (ZK-NBS,T and U) have had the Trent upgrade to the core of the engine, so really they are a RB211/Trent hybrid.  Smile

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 33):
I don't believe NZ is able to overhaul the new big engines; something to do with test cell limitations.

This is true. The test cell cannot take the thrust output of the Trent 895. Also, to modify it is just too expensive.

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 34):
I am pretty sure the intention behind the RR order was to ensure ANZES would be able to offer service on the Trent series of engines. I am sure our resident ANZES employee NZ1 will be able to shed a bit more light on the matter...

The reason for selecting Trents was economics, nothing else. We have signed a total care agreement with RR to maintain and overhaul the engines off wing.

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:39 pm

Thanks for the update on the 777 deliveries! ZK-OKH still on schedule for delivery before the end of 2006 ?

I also heard somehting about registration ZK-SUK being reserved for a possible lease of another 744 ?

Thanks !

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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:23 am

what do we need another 744 for??, surley we have plently of planes as it is,

are we still going ahead and upgrading the 5x 763's that were keeping for a bit,??

when the 772's replace the 767's on the lax route, will this mean that were likly to see the 772's in NAN??

all the T7's are due in service by the end of next year,
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:30 am

Line number 534 is the ILFC/ANZ 777-200ER and it's basking in the sun now on the Everett flightline.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:35 am

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 39):
are we still going ahead and upgrading the 5x 763's that were keeping for a bit,??

Yes. Although they will not be receiving the new seats as on the 744 and 777's. Is looking more likely to be a refresh of the interior (paint etc) and new seat covers/carpets/curtains, along with a reconfig. IFE - still being decided upon.

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Edit: More info added

[Edited 2005-09-01 02:37:37]
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:13 am

I hope they install IFE on the 763s. It would be needed I think as I presume that is the aircraft that will open new routes for us.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:47 am

I have been wondering about this for a long time. Thanks for the info update NZ 1, I know to look out for the AKL landing photos after Sep 30th.

Quoting Zeekiel (Reply 8):
Lucky bugger. I have to wait until the 3rd December.

You poor thing...I have to wait until the 28th December! (AKL-SFO)
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:09 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 38):
I also heard somehting about registration ZK-SUK being reserved for a possible lease of another 744 ?

It could be possible definatly with a second daily to LHR pending. Not to many GE or RR 744's on the market though.

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 39):
what do we need another 744 for??, surley we have plently of planes as it is,

How about when they finally start the second daily LHR flight which will happen sometime? 2 dailies to LHR is 6 aircraft and then the second LAX service is the other 2, and there goes your 8 744's. Somewhere in there you need a spare really so that maintanence can be carried out mainly in winter for heavy maintanence. 3 744's were at the Jetbase on Wednesday afternoon.

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 39):
when the 772's replace the 767's on the lax route, will this mean that were likly to see the 772's in NAN??

As far as i'm aware the 763's aren't being replaced on the LAX run, atleast not for sometime yet and it likely won't be with 772's either IMO. 772's will probably appear in NAN at some stage operating a day trip from AKL, maybe just as a sub though.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:21 pm

Do you think that 18 Premium Economy seats are enough? According to the site, it's only an extra NZ$600 for a return flight to SFO! I believe that it is worth paying for.
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:33 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 45):
Do you think that 18 Premium Economy seats are enough

I believe it was NZ1 who said that the premium economy class seat count can be changed if demand dictates that it should.
 
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:39 pm

'How about when they finally start the second daily LHR flight which will happen sometime? 2 dailies to LHR is 6 aircraft and then the second LAX service is the other 2, and there goes your 8 744's.

LHR is planned for late next year, must be hard getting thoses slots, !! but if the second flight is via HKG, would this not only need 2-744's to operate it ,?? (i'm not so good on the flight ops side),
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RE: ANZ 777-200ER

Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:51 pm

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 47):
but if the second flight is via HKG, would this not only need 2-744's to operate it ,??

Yes if they operate a 772 AKL-HKG and then a 744 HKG-LHR, but i'd thought they would try and kill 2 birds with 1 stone and operate a 744 AKL-HKG-LHR meaning that they could free up a 772 to operate elsewhere. Then again they might got the otherway and free up the 744 by operating a 772 on the AKL-HKG sector? Anyhow whatever the case a LHR run ex AKL daily takes 3 aircraft.

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