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Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:38 am

There seems to be so few of these built, especially compared to their ancestors DC-9 / MD-8x aircraft.

I believe Delta was the launch customer and still has at least some in service. Any ideas of where I can go see where the present day fleet are? My understanding is that- even by today's standards- they are quite fuel efficient, although I note that the cockpit design looks very similar to the MD-8x. Same type-rating for the MD-8x's and the MD-9x's??

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=002340

I just love the forward cantilevered fuselage of these birds!

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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:39 am

I remember reading on here a couple of weeks back that some were sent to the wrecking ball.
 
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:50 am

Early MD-90s were an absolute dog. The V2500 engine was new and initially troublesome, and the aircraft itself had significantly different features in its systems to the earlier MD-80 family.

There are a number still flying today, but commonality and lack of numbers is against the aircraft. Which is a shame as they are extremely efficient and quiet compared to earlier family members.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:01 am

Delta, SAS, EVA/UNI, Lion, Nordic Leisure, Hello (British Jet), China Eastern, Northern, Southern, and JAS takes care of most if not all.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:51 am

The only MD-90-30 to be broken-up (at kingman, AZ) was the prototype.

Three are still stored at Marana, AZ and Saudi Arabian reportedly use two of their 29 for spare parts.

Two MD-90-30s were built in China as well and operate with China Northern Airlines.

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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:59 am

There are rumours around that three ex-Air Aruba/ProAir birds are going to be broken up simply because there are no takers for the aircraft. Unfortunately the owners of these aircraft have deemed the aircraft more valuable as parts then as whole pieces.
 
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 5):
There are rumours around that three ex-Air Aruba/ProAir birds are going to be broken up simply because there are no takers for the aircraft.

Airtransport database reports that these 3 M90's were recently parted out.

Did the recent Saudi M90 fire in CAI result in a write-off also?
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:50 am

Lion Air of Indonesia has some (along with several MD-80s).


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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:29 am

Thanks for the replies. Bruce.
 
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:00 pm

Lion Air's MD90s are ex-AA/Reno ones.
 
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:21 pm

I don't think Lion Air is going to have MD-90's much longer. They are the launch customer for Boeing's 737-900ER.


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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:24 pm

I've flown on a DL MD-90 a few times out of SLC. Extremely quiet and smooth ride. Sad that these airframes aren't more desired.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:27 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2):
Early MD-90s were an absolute dog. The V2500 engine was new and initially troublesome, and the aircraft itself had significantly different features in its systems to the earlier MD-80 family.

The V2500 wasn't new even back then, having been in operation on the A320 since the late 1980's. I cannot speak for this specific engine version, which might have had some trouble, though.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:14 pm

Quoting MX757 (Reply 11):
I don't think Lion Air is going to have MD-90's much longer. They are the launch customer for Boeing's 737-900ER.

I hope that the MD-90s will be used by Lion's subsidiary, Wings Air, for domestic routes whereas the new 737s will be used for regional ones.


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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:36 pm

There were 5 ex-Reno MD-90s. Did Lion Air picked up all 5? I had wished that Delta would have gotten these birds once AA terminated the leases on them. AA did offered them to DL, but DL in turn offered AA its 16 MD-90s. Regards.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:42 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
Did the recent Saudi M90 fire in CAI result in a write-off also?

I believe you're right about that, Saudi Arabian Airlines currently has 27 MD-90's flying, with a further two in storage, that leaves one of their original 30.

JL's domestic operation, (ex JAS) has 16 in service.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:32 pm

SAS currently operates 3 MD-90's,3 are grounded and the last 2 are being leased to Nordic Leisure in Sweden.
After initial problems ("learning curve" reasons) the planes were extremely reliable as long as they were maintained by STS at OSL.However,with the transfer of technical and operational service of the MD-90 fleet to CPH,the servicability of the fleet decreaseed to such a level that SAS has decided to ground the entire fleet from the end of October this year.Very sad,indeed.The MD-90 was all the MD-80 should have been from the beginning.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:54 pm

I worked them things at Delta. Let me clue you guys in. JUNK!! They have all kinds of problems. The electrical system while nice in theory is always breaking down. The engines are the same as the A320 but is mounted at an angle since it is not hanging off a wing. The gearbox had to be redesigned for the new configuration. The thrust reversers are a nightmare to open up for maintenance. There are also more things that are unique to the MD-90 but I could go on for days. I loved flying it, very quiet and confortable. Not nice for AMTs though. If Delta could of found a buyer, they would of been gone long ago.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:52 pm

Dont forget Ghana Int'l Airways is getting some MD-90's but I dont know where thy are coming from
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:56 pm

Quoting Brucek (Thread starter):
Any ideas of where I can go see where the present day fleet are?

To answer your question, you would most likely find MD-90's in the US is at SLC as DL has based them there, because they perform better in the mountainous regions better than the MD-88's due to engine efficincy.

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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:55 pm

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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:23 pm

MD-90s are also flying for "Hello" of Switzerland.

If you love the MD-90 like I do, check out the images from their website.

http://www.hello.ch/

Free download images exterior, interior, crew shots and crew with passengers! These are great aircraft images and the best I've ever seen of the the mighty-90.  bigthumbsup 

The 90 certainly was the second to last gasp of McDonnell Douglas. Very sad. With the 90, they had the final evolution that started with the DC-9. Yes, they have had their maintenance issues. I am sorry Agustin that they are so hard on the AMT. I thank you for your detailed experiences good, bad or otherwise. I am always glad to hear more about the aircraft.

The end history of the program I never quite understood, but the financial situation of MD at the end was so difficult. The move to join up with a Chinese manufacturer in making some over there; I never saw how that was good for MD in the end. Then there was the MD-95/Boeing 717. "Son of MD-90," you could call it. If only it had continued on too. But Boeing was competing against itself with the 717 I guess. I hope the 90's keep flying for a great deal longer. They certainly have a niche with airlines like "Hello," who fly in high altitude areas.


Here are three images from the anet database. Impossible to pick a favorite image. First, a "Hello," then in Delta classic widget, my favorite Delta look. The last may be a good example of what Agustin means by it being hard to work on. Note the technician inside the engine! It is a great look inside those big V2500 bad boys. They cry out to be at the threshold of the runway, and then go full power and into the sky!


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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:30 pm

They are an amazing aircraft, i flew on it twice this summer, once ORD-SLC on my way to DEN in June and the next time SLC-ORD coming back from YYC in August, i hope they stay around for awhile, although i hear that is unlikley.

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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 13):

The V2500 wasn't new even back then, having been in operation on the A320 since the late 1980's. I cannot speak for this specific engine version, which might have had some trouble, though.

Yanqui67 posted a fair enough precis on the V2500 problems. It was also new in that it had not been used on the DC-9 or similar kind of airframe before and presented a complete set of new problems to McDD in that conventional clamshell reversers were ruled out.

In fact I can't think of any other rear-engined aircraft that has ever used the moving cowl/ring type before, with the exception of that VC-10 which tested the RB211 in flight. And look what happened to that!
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Yanqui67 (Reply 18):
The thrust reversers are a nightmare to open up for maintenance.

I still have my monster size straight slot screwdriver in my tool box for the MD-90 T/R.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:56 pm

Not to mention the glass cockpit. The introduction of the LCD displays caused a quantum lap to the lay out of the cockpit instrumentation which was made common with the MD11 and 717.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting Md95 (Reply 26):
Not to mention the glass cockpit. The introduction of the LCD displays caused a quantum lap to the lay out of the cockpit instrumentation which was made common with the MD11 and 717.

The Saudi Arabian MD-90's had LCD displays similar in layout to the 717. The overhead looked a lot like the MD-11 in the way it was laid out.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:15 am

Saudi Arabian flies a fleet of 29 MD90-30s:

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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:54 am

MD-95

Am I wrong here..dosen't look like the -90 has a glass cockpit or is common with the 717....


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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:27 am

Only the Saudi MD90s have the Honeywell VIA 2000 Avionics (A.K.A. 717 Glass Cockpit), but a lot of the systems are still MD-80 type systems. (Suitcase handles, and pickle switches) The 717 does not have Suitcase Handles
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:03 am

The MD-90 entered service with Delta Airlines April 1 1995 on DFW-EWR. I got a tour of the plane right before block out, just by telling the gate agent that I was an enthusiast.
 
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:57 am

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Is this for sure that all SAS MD-90 will be grounded by the end of the
summer timetable? This is really sad, we always loved to have them for our
evening dep ex ZRH last year... And psgrs did like it aswell...
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:23 am

Some really great info here, especially the list of deliveries and their history. SBN580, those photos say it all!

Thanks- Bruce.
 
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:21 am

I flew the Nordic Leisure MD90 SE-DMF just recently from PMI - SXF, and while it was much quieter than the MD80, I somewhat still prefer the MD80. But I would take both types over an A320 or 737 anytime. The wing of the MD90 seemed very dirty, though. While it might be perfectly safe, I have never seen a wing before that looked so "worn", meaning that the colour was already going off at some places.

But the climb rate was really nice, and the whole flight including the landing was very nice.

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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:00 pm

Quoting SULUK (Reply 33):



Quoting SULUK (Reply 33):
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Is this for sure that all SAS MD-90 will be grounded by the end of the
summer timetable? This is really sad, we always loved to have them for our
evening dep ex ZRH last year... And psgrs did like it aswell...

Yes,this is official and has beensfor several months now.Sad but true.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting FBU 4EVER! (Reply 17):
SAS currently operates 3 MD-90's,3 are grounded and the last 2 are being leased to Nordic Leisure in Sweden.
After initial problems ("learning curve" reasons) the planes were extremely reliable as long as they were maintained by STS at OSL.

When I worked for BOeing in Long Beach there was a letter on the delivery center wall from the CEO of SAS back when they first took delivery of the MD-90. Basic theme of the letter was that they were not to happy with the aircraft. If MD had gone with an IDG instead of the VSCF electrical system they probably would have sold a lot more.
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RE: Where Are The MD90's?

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:18 am

At only 5 ft longer than the more common -80 I can't really tell the differance but the overall elongated effect is still wild.

Of the 9 series that to me was just the most balanced looking and aesthetically pleasing was the -40. Pretty rare as well.


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