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AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:46 pm

Hello everyone! I guess this message is more for ASSFO and other AS folks. But in September's OAG, I noticed that AS will be using MD-80's between SEA-DFW. I thought they had planned on using 737's. Also, I didn't see any code sharing with AA on the DFW flights. What's up with that?
 
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:54 pm

Perhaps they are prevented from hub-2-hub codeshares, but they may be able to put the codes on beyond DFW flights.

That's usually the way domestic codeshares seem to work.
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:58 pm

I've made a few SEA-DFW runs on the AA birds...man that sucked.
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:59 pm

Alaska Airlines suspended the start of SEA-DFW, if I recall correctly, until the end of October.

For what it is worth, American flies Seattle-Dallas/Fort Worth 9 times a day, 5 with 757's and 4 with MD-83's.
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:11 pm

Someone had posted before they suspended the start that AS changed it to MD 80's to throw a proverbial bone to the MD 80 pilots, since all the new cities they've added over the past few years have been 737's... if that's true or not I doubt we'll ever know....

I think it was our friendly a.net Alaska employee AS739X... but don't quote me on that.

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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:28 pm

I'm looking at a trip up to Seattle for early October...routing would have me going GSO-ATL-DFW-SEA, with the DFW-SEA segment operated on an AS MD-80...delta.com was still showing it as an available segment, as is alaskaair.com.

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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:56 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
I'm looking at a trip up to Seattle for early October...routing would have me going GSO-ATL-DFW-SEA, with the DFW-SEA segment operated on an AS MD-80...delta.com was still showing it as an available segment, as is alaskaair.com.

I stand corrected, the flight starts up on September 12th once daily, with a second flight starting the following day:

September 12th starters:

AS808, SEA 11:20A-DFW 5:10P
AS809, DFW 6:10P-SEA 8:10P

September 13th starters:
AS810, SEA 12:20A-DFW 6:10A
AS811, DFW 7:00A-SEA 9:00A

Both daily flights, in both directions, and will be operated with MD-80 aircraft that I am sure Alaska Air will be touting as "state-of-the-art"...  Smile
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:58 pm

Alaska's new DFW service will begin on September 12 with the introduction of the fall/winter schedule.
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:22 pm

DL seems to be codesharing on the route. Not sure what AA will do, but AA does seem to offer quite a few codeshares on the AS SEA-ORD route.

Hopefully this route will be attractive for SkyMiles members at DFW.
 
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:31 pm

Wedge: I have got no reason from anyone that I have asked on why the MD is being used. I have a few theories. First, the 737 boys have been getting all the new cities. This was a way of giving a little to the MD guys in which some of our most senior pilots fly. Second, if you have an MD break down at an out station, what place would be better to get MD parts and mechanics that know the MD then the AA fortress hub. AA is not very happy with us starting the flight, last I heard. We are focused much more on the NWesteners going to DFW then getting local Dallas pax. Let me see what I can dig up!

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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
I've made a few SEA-DFW runs on the AA birds...man that sucked.

Why do you say that? I flew that route in Mid May and it was pretty nice, they even served a meal in first which surprised me. I bought a meal in SEA not expecting it, but I took one anyway as paybacks for the no pillows in couch on my last trip.  Smile
 
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:04 pm

When AS announced SEA-DFW, I heard that 734s would be used and that the 734's would have the new leather seats. Does this mean that the MDs are getting the leather seats as well?
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:32 pm

ASMD80: as of right now it doesn't look as though the MD will get the leather seats. Despite what's said on the top, the MD future may be in more limbo then the leaders would like us to believe. The MD is a fuel hog and AS is looking like anyway to cut down on use of it. The MD's are also showing their age with mechanicals. With AS on-time performance a major issue , the MD's are a huge factor in the sceem of things. Its hard for me to dig info on what's being said cause the MD crew will never admit the plane may be on the way out. I know AS has come up with a magic number of MD's that need to stay online to actually be profitable. Once under X amount, the rest will have to go.

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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:43 pm

Is AS going to offer snack or meal service? I hope they do so they can stand above AA on that new route as AS is a better carrier by far when you compare the two in regards to inflight service.
 
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:07 pm

LACA773: Its showing a snack service, but there could be a meal in first. EA CO AS may be able to tell you more.

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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:43 pm

AS serves hot meals on the SEA-ORD route. I couldn't see why they wouldn't do the same on the SEA-DFW route. In any case, I'm indifferent as to what I fly between SEA-DFW, AA or AS. But my wife and I enjoyed the flight between SEA-ORD. The hot meals surprised us since we are used to AA.

This is a silly question but I'm going to ask it anyway. Does AS offer the DigiPlayers on the MD's also?
 
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:48 pm

At this point, the first month or so of service to DFW will be using
MD80s. After that, the schedule shows 737-400s.
I believe that the reason for the MDs going there first has to do
with the heavy check maintenance schedule. Depending on the time
of year, there may be more -400s in for check and fewer MDs, so
that affects what aircraft type is available to fly the schedule.
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:58 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Its showing a snack service, but there could be a meal in first.

It's a snack service only, even in First - although the "snack" in First tends to be more substantial than a coach snack is.

FWIW, AA used to allow AS to codeshare on the SEA-DFW nonstops, but now that AS is starting their own SEA-DFW service AS will not codeshare on the AA nonstops to DFW anymore.
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):

Thanks for all the info AS739X. A few questions:

1. Does the MD80 really guzzle more fuel than a 734?
2.With the 50 738s on order to be delivered by 2011, does that mean that the MD80 will be gone from the AS fleet completly by 2011?

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Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 6):
Both daily flights, in both directions, and will be operated with MD-80 aircraft that I am sure Alaska Air will be touting as "state-of-the-art"... Smile

I have looked ahead in the electronic timetable app and it seems that AS will also be using 73G aircraft in April 2006 on SEA-DFW...

I think the MD80 will more be touted as "quiet", SHUPirate1. (Note: Anyone sitting from row 25 back will find this very hard to believe.)

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):

FWIW, AA used to allow AS to codeshare on the SEA-DFW nonstops, but now that AS is starting their own SEA-DFW service AS will not codeshare on the AA nonstops to DFW anymore.

Didn't AS have DFW-SEA-ANC services back in the early 90's?

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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:03 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
It's a snack service only, even in First - although the "snack" in First tends to be more substantial than a coach snack is.

SEA-ORD-SEA is also a "snack" flight but that consists of a hot sandwich and basket. The basket could have potato or macaroni salad and a cookie... or something similar. I believe they took the hot sandwich choice though away from SEA-ORD-SEA (whereas the transcon lunch/dinner flights you still have a choice) but it is still a HOT sandwich. I'm suspecting the same will be served on the DFW flights.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
This is a silly question but I'm going to ask it anyway. Does AS offer the DigiPlayers on the MD's also?

Last I heard we would be offering digEplayers on this flight.
 
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:57 pm

ASMD80:

AA and AS used to share the route from ANC to DFW via SEA. The plane could be either an AA 727 or an AS 727. AS's crews flew ANC-SEA, and AA's crews flew SEA-DFW.

A friend of mine was an AA 727 F/O in the early 90s and fles DFW-SEA some. AA pilots were told not to touch the HUDs on the AS 727s. Of course, my friend and the captains used to check them out to see how they worked.
 
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:25 pm

Yes, I am flying the inaugural SEA-DFW flight, and am aware that AS has changed the meal on the DFW/ORD flight from lunch to snack... I think for Y, the difference is minor, as there is no more choice anymore, and there is one less side -- only chips or cookies. On Transcon, you have a choice of hot sandwiches, a pasta salad type dish, and a dessert.

For F, the difference is major -- it will be changed from a full three course meal to a one tray affair with a choice of salad with warmed roll or warmed sandwich with pasta or potato salad side, and a piece of chocolate for dessert.

Please eat before or pack accordingly.

Slightly off topic, I think AS may be heading to BOB in Y soon... most food cuts in F and Y... who knows? Those fancy dinners on transcon may become history soon. I better take a couple of more pictures this year.

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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:33 pm

Quoting Carfield (Reply 21):
Slightly off topic, I think AS may be heading to BOB in Y soon

Already there on the Mexico flights, actually.
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RE: AS SEA-DFW With Maddogs?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:44 pm

Quoting Carfield (Reply 21):
Yes, I am flying the inaugural SEA-DFW flight, and am aware that AS has changed the meal on the DFW/ORD flight from lunch to snack... I think for Y, the difference is minor, as there is no more choice anymore, and there is one less side -- only chips or cookies.

No meal choice?! Jeez, they also don't give you the choice of whether you want the prayer card* that's tucked in with their meals. Maybe they just need to give people more choices...
F/A: "Let's see, I have Muslim, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist prayer cards... but sorry, we just ran out of Christian. Tends to happen on the Dallas flights for some reason."

*If you don't know what I'm talking about, just do a search in the discussion archives for "prayer cards."
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