noelg
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Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:02 pm

Apologies if this has already been covered, did a search but revealed nothing:

From ABTN this morning...

Quote:
INCIDENTALLY: Have you got a penny for the loo!

Did you hear the story of a well-known airline personality on a recent trip to Scandinavia? Going into a major departmental store he was charged the equivalent of 20p for the use of the restroom.

He ranted and raved, said he didn’t have any of their “worthless”
currency and generally made a complete ass of himself.

We now hear rumours that his airline is considering charging for use of the loos. When asked by an enquiring journalist whether this was true or not he replied:

“I don’t care a monkey about the f_ _g passengers. I am thinking of taking out the bogs altogether. Four more seats for me to sell!”
Sophisticated man.

Anybody else likewise have a good idea who this "well known airline personality" could be? Only one candidate imo!

Noel.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:19 pm

O`Leary! Who else?

Axel

[Edited 2005-08-30 10:20:08]
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samair
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:21 pm

could this have somthing to do with ryanair by anychance??
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:21 pm

I would say definitely MOL.

20p to use the toilet in the Scandanavian department store is quite reasonable. It is 20p to use any toilet at most British rail stations, and Harrods department store in Knightsbridge, London charges £2, albeit they do let you use some after shave.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:24 pm

I think its time to offically rename this company.

Wrotten Air?

As for no Loo's? Well that could make some sense but wait until
5 year old piss themselves or old ppl throw up.... that's gonna cost more
revenue in terms of lost passengers and cleaning than the extra seats will gain.

That and some governments have laws about not providing staff with Toilets... in some countries its a crime, so, that's Jail time.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:38 pm

Back to the topic. Then I think that they should arrange for the lavs to be returned to a neat aspect between every use. That's the least I'd expect if I got to pay for it. It might cost them a lot to have TAs (Toilet Attendants) to roster on every flight though. LOL!  Wink
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:28 pm

Just imange all the passengers rusing to the toilets in the terminal after landing
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:30 pm

For us North Americans just the thought of having to pay for a public washroom is astonishing.....I just do not see it catching on here.

And then people saying such a price is reasonable is even scarier....

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:45 pm

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 7):
For us North Americans just the thought of having to pay for a public washroom is astonishing.....I just do not see it catching on here.

It's pretty rare over here in general - you only really see it in some railway (and bus) stations, some old public toilets (although I can't imagine there are many left... they used to cost all of a penny or two, hence the expression) and, evidently, Harrods. Rahh!*

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:47 pm

Not having toilets or charging for use of toilets in a confined space is a human rights violation I think!

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:29 pm

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 8):
It's pretty rare over here in general - you only really see it in some railway (and bus) stations, some old public toilets

Suggest that you come down to London and the South East of England. In Brighton, the council has closed all public conveniences and replaced them with individual units (like a large phone box minus windows) that clean themselves after each use, and the charge to use them is 20p. Many of these "Super Loos" can also be found in London. Even many larger public conveniences that are now left in the centre of London have an admission fee of 20p.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:30 pm

Hopefully they don't forget to change the conditions of carriage when starting to charge for use of toilets.

Like some did for food:
Flybe Bans Passengers Bringing Food Onboard! (by Trb10 Aug 21 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Otherwise people might start to bring their own toilets.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:33 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Ryanair started charging!

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:45 pm

Or just fly low but leave the back door open a crack!!  Wink

I'm sure MOL just says these things so everyone starts talking about FR again. No such thing as bad publicity and all that. I think he should get Ozzy to do his PR !!
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:53 pm

I remember it was always a joke in our family if someone had flown on a crappy plane they would say "it wasn't bad but the outside toilet was a bit windy"...looks like this old saying could come true!

Quoting GBan (Reply 11):
Otherwise people might start to bring their own toilets

I can just see MOL offering "Little Johns" or even these babies - for £10 a head on top of your fare:
http://www.transair.co.uk/product4.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=1005

 crazy 

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:11 pm

Ryanair already have a wheelchair charge, they will just intoduce a toilet charge as part of the Taxes, Fees and Charges. They then collect the charge irrespective of whether the toilet is used or not and of course they collect it if the passenger does not fly and it wouldn't be refundable under any circumstance.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:29 pm

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 7):
For us North Americans just the thought of having to pay for a public washroom is astonishing.....I just do not see it catching on here.

I agree on that as well. I also find it shocking how some airlines in the US and Canada charging for beverages(non-acoholic). I can see them charging for snacks, but when I take a flight, I at least expect a beverage(non-alcoholic) without having to pay for it.

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:39 pm

If I knew in advance that the price of my ticket was lowered by 5GBP, but that I would be charged 20p to use the loo, I would have no (major) problem.

However, there are several airlines that charge me $5. for a glass of alcoholic swill crossing the pond. Guess what? I no longer fly with them! Considering that a cheap seat runs about $550. rt during low season, that $5 charge has lost them a $550. passenger. So what is the likelihood that I will be flying an airline that charges for the toilet?

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:02 pm

How many lavatories does a FR 738 have? Just curious
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:12 pm

There were rumours recently that AA was considering installing doors with coin locks on the toilets, and charging 50c per visit. Also to charge passengers a dollar for air-sickness bags. The airline is SO broke that they are thinking of absolutely any ideas to make a buck, they can hardly afford to pay their employees decent wages, no wonder they are always in a foul mood.
One employee debated whether FA's should be allowed to collect tips from passengers to supplement their wages.
None of these ideas took-off though.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 7):
For us North Americans just the thought of having to pay for a public washroom is astonishing.....I just do not see it catching on here.

it's quite normal in The Netherlands (even some McDonalds are doing it) and I wonder why it has taken anyone that long to see revenue in this.

Quote:
I am thinking of taking out the bogs altogether. Four more seats for me to sell!”

I wonder if this is possible as drinking result often in going to the toilet, and I sure can't think of an airline who doesn't want to sell drinks
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:32 pm

Just thinking aloud here. What if Ryanair takes the toilets out, but instead of 4 extra seats put a bed in there and charge "customers" ,or whatever the delightful Mr O'Leary calls us these days, to join the mile high club. Hmmm. Potential for investment there.  puckerup 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:37 pm

Has anyone considered what happens if someone shows up without any cash or without change? What do they do? Should they piss on themselves? Piss on the seat?
Hypocrisy. It's the new black for liberals.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:49 pm

this is what is called "Pay as you Go"
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:59 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
Has anyone considered what happens if someone shows up without any cash or without change? What do they do? Should they piss on themselves? Piss on the seat?

In a bottle. Or ask other pax for help with change.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:01 am

Of course EZY have fewer toilets on their aircraft as research has shown that as passengers eat/drink less on LCC (as they have to pay for it) they need to visit the lavatory less. Hence one less toilet is fitted and some more money making seats! Is this the situation with other LCC's?
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:02 am

If I found a public place with a pay-bathroom, I would happily find the manager's office or the office of someone in charge, and piss all over. Police be damned, and I sure as hell know I've pissed in stranger places before.

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:07 am

Just shit on the seat and drop a few coins in the pile when your done - trust me, they'll get the message!

Pay toilets are the ultimate in bull&shit!

[Edited 2005-08-30 17:08:50]
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 23):
this is what is called "Pay as you Go"

ROTFLMAO!!!!

That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time - welcome to my respected users list!

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 7):
For us North Americans just the thought of having to pay for a public washroom is astonishing.....I just do not see it catching on here.

I lived in the UK for 11 years and I actually didn't have much of a problem paying 20p to use the bathroom in the train stations, provided that it was clean and well looked after (and, in general, it was). The reason is simple. If you don't charge, the public bathroom will get full of homeless / smelly people who will make a big mess and practically live there (bash me for saying this, but it happened). So, I personally was OK with paying for it.

Quoting Richardw (Reply 15):
Ryanair already have a wheelchair charge,

Didn't they get sued about charging extra for wheelchairs and lost?

Quoting Aseem (Reply 23):
this is what is called "Pay as you Go"

Now, that was funny!!!  rotfl 

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 4):
As for no Loo's? Well that could mak



Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
Just imange all the passengers rusing to the toilets in the terminal after landing

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The could place a kind of small tree at the end of the cabin ....................... !
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:47 am

What arsehole made up this O'Leary story.....the mans a genius, but it also takes a genius to recognise one.

Now if you had said BMI were charging 50p to use the loo, I would have believed it....Their new on board prices are higher than FR and the way they are going these days...it wont just be the loo but the toilet paper too......that they will be charging you for. So when you eat those on board sandwiches at exhorbitant prices remember its the left hand you have to use.....or was it the right hand.

Get real.....and lets read some sensible opinions.....for once, this inverted snobbery about FR is getting on my tits big time.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:04 am

hahaha funny but hey in Indonesia, you have to pay like Rp. 1,000.00 to use toilet in the mal, shopping center.

1 U$D = Rp 10,370.00

so Rp 1,000.00 is equivalent to 1 cent becuase of a high exchange rates between US and Indonesia. In normal ways, that would like around 50 cents.

and inside the toilets, there is no toilet paper. Well, you can buy them for
Rp. 500.00 lol funny huh?

In some airport, you have to pay also to use the restroom . But hey that's normal thou in Indonesia.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:11 am

There are a couple I remember using, you get some nice framed pictures of a panda and a pot plant for your money, that's a classy bog.

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 19):
Also to charge passengers a dollar for air-sickness bags.

indeed a bit nutty.

''ok if you wont give me a sick bag, ill use your aircrafts seat back pocket!! *bluuurhh*''
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:17 am

If this is Ryanair they have officially became "The Worst Airline I have heard of and will never fly".

Mr. O'Leary, you can go fu*k yourself, no one will pay to use your damn "loo". Those 5 seats aren't needed. Why haven't you people ordered A380s. You could 1500 people in one!
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:28 am

I HATE paying for toilets. When you got to go, you got to go. I would never fly with an Airline that did not provide toilets...

Maybe RyanAir will have a contract with Pampers/Huggies for adult flight pants?
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting ACdreamliner (Reply 35):
Maybe RyanAir will have a contract with Pampers/Huggies for adult flight pants?

there is only so much they can hold.
What happens when the pilot has to Go? We might see flights being delayed as one of the F/As was in terminal's loo. Big grin
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 27):
Just shit on the seat and drop a few coins in the pile when your done - trust me, they'll get the message!

Yeah, but think of all the innocent blokes sitting next to you... Why would you want to torture them because of this asshole
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:52 am

For those in Europe or anyone that have experienced pay-to-use washroom, do you find them cleaner? I'd think the cost of paying would filter out some of the more "trashy" people who often piss on seats, don't flush toilets, etc. I'd hope if I was paying for a washroom it would be relatively clean.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:58 am

Charging For Toilets On Board?

Hell no... not unless that airline wants one of my freshly baked, steaming chocolate buns in their seat back pockets.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting ACdreamliner (Reply 35):
I HATE paying for toilets. When you got to go, you got to go. I would never fly with an Airline that did not provide toilets...

Maybe RyanAir will have a contract with Pampers/Huggies for adult flight pants?

God forbid if my company did this! I'd be ashamed to say I work for a company that charges you a fee to use the crapper in flight. Hell, if I flew on a plane that made you pay to pee, I'd just bring some cups or empty soda bottles and make my deposit in them and them chuck em down the toilet when I landed. A totally outrageous idea. If you want to extract an extra buck for toilet use then maybe on a long haul flight on the new 380's or 787's install a premium bathroom that features a steam bath, sauna, fluffy towells, fancy toilet perfumes and showers! But, lets have some potty parity and lets say we didn't on paying to patronize your airliner's honeybucket to pee or lay a loaf.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:10 am

If airlines charged to use the toilets, you can be sure they'd give you the whole can of Coke...and another...and another...and another.

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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:13 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 41):
If airlines charged to use the toilets, you can be sure they'd give you the whole can of Coke...and another...and another...and another.

Don't forget unlimited cat piss coffee and plenty of cheap beer!
LOL!
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:36 am

Sorry, but I don't want to feel warm liquid hitting my feet from the seat behind me just because that person is a cheapskate...  yuck 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:10 pm

Well if they are going with out wash rooms might as well just go with out seats and just have Standing room only. Make it like the Subway in the air.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:34 pm

If an airline were to charge me to use the toilet on a flight, in all honesty I would stay in my seat, piss into a cup, ring a flight attendant call button and hand it to the FA. And to those who think I'm bluffing, I've done it in a car before when the driver refused to pull over for a pit stop.
 
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:30 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 38):
For those in Europe or anyone that have experienced pay-to-use washroom, do you find them cleaner? I'd think the cost of paying would filter out some of the more "trashy" people who often piss on seats, don't flush toilets, etc. I'd hope if I was paying for a washroom it would be relatively clean.

I think paid public toilets are relatively clean here. I'm glad to pay about € 0,25 (average price) and be able to be in a clean environment, then to go to some toilet for free with complentary smells and dirt.

However: Schiphol doesn't charge any money and they have about the cleanest public toilets around, I think.
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:56 pm

20p to use the loo? I was looking at flights to edinburgh via dublin 20p to use the loo would double the fare!!!
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RE: Charging For Toilets On Board?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:58 pm

The idea itself is not bad, but you need somebody to watch the toilets after it was used, as certain groups of people in this world have no idea how to behave.

But thats impossible. You should force those people to clean it.

My best expierence was QR A300 DOH-MUC. 30 after take off the F/A had to close one toilet because it was not so dirty (not going into detail, because its disgusting). During the flight another one had to be closed. Also unuseable.

The majority on this flight were not europeans!

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 37):
Yeah, but think of all the innocent blokes sitting next to you... Why would you want to torture them because of this asshole

I would sit on his lap, drop a coin and than ...... Big grin

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