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Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:07 am

I just saw a new s release on Bloomberg saying that Boeing will be unveiling the 787 flight deck including photos on 8/31 at 4:30pm PDT.

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RE: Boeingto Unviel 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:10 am

Do you have a link to the article? Perhaps? Or a link to any source with the same subject?

EDIT: Nevermind Found the source http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=avPN8IloIgGg- Can't wait to see the photos!

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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:53 am

It's going to be today at 4:30 Pacific Time.....hopefully some TV shows it or the beoing website does
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:31 am

so the big question is, will the 787 flight deck be a subtle evolution, or more dramatic revolution?


only 1 hour till we will know. . . any thoughts?
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:21 am

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:24 am

Damn.... Damn Damn.....

Those are some big ass displays.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:27 am

wow....absolutely stunning!!

Amazing!

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:31 am

WOW! Boeing's bringing the future of aviation another step closer!

Congrats!
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:34 am

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:37 am

 eyepopping  eyepopping  eyepopping  eyepopping 

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:37 am



WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait to actually SEE one!

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:41 am

Holy Shit, that looks so awesome!! I really cant wait to get my ass on one of those seats!!  hyper 
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:41 am

Is that a spaceship or what? The backs of the seats look a little bit too modern IMO. Other than that: Absolutely stunning.
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:43 am

Looks ok but nothing we haven't seen before - ERJ with bigger displays.
 
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:44 am

I think it is great. It definitely looks like it has much better visibility than most planes. I hope that is not just a result of photo magic.

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 3):
so the big question is, will the 787 flight deck be a subtle evolution, or more dramatic revolution?


Leaning more towards the subtle evolution as they are talking about transitioning from the 777 to the 787 in only 5 days, remarkable features are the dual HUD's & the EFB (electronic flight bag) will now be a standard feature on the 787.....
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:46 am

Bloody Hell. This is amazing. I'm speechless. I ended up staring at it with my mouth wide open for over a minute... Droooooooooooool.  drool   drool   drool   drool   drool 

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:50 am

It is an eyepoping evolution to be sure, but just an evolution. The envelope gets pushed a little further again. Looks good.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:05 am

Call me old fashion, but I dont like it. Seems like an incredible waste of space and perhaps an over reliance on MFDs (at least 5 if I count right). I felt the same way when I saw the cirrus sr22s with garmin 1000s though. And whats with the seats? It looks like somethings hanging on the back of them, Id like to know what that is. Also, does anyone know if it has pull out trays for laptop/ electronic flight bags ala A380 or is it integrated?
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting Wiggidy (Reply 18):
whats with the seats? It looks like somethings hanging on the back of them, Id like to know what that is

Could be a pull up stairs for the escape hatch.

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:15 am

Quoting Wiggidy (Reply 18):
electronic flight bags ala A380 or is it integrated?

EFB is integrated (look at just to the left of the left seat).

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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:28 am

Wow... So clean and neat. Straight out of Star Trek...looks like a runabout from DS9.

From the design perspective it is brilliant. It looks like a flight deck that any pilot would want to spend 8+ hours in. Just spacious enough to play a little racketball or maybe do some stretching. (Hey Bob while you are at the controls I'm gonna do some sit-ups back here in the living room okay?)

I wonder...
Where is the rest area going to be on the 787? Is it going to be like in the 772LR above the flightdeck and cabin?

If that is the case would it be proper/safer to have the access to that from the flight deck?
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:40 am

That looks simply amazing.

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:43 am

>> Where is the rest area going to be on the 787? Is it going to be like in the 772LR above the flightdeck and cabin?

Flight crew rest bunks will be behind the cockpit above the First cabin, accessed via a ladder near the front door.

Attendent rest bunks will be above the econonmy cabin, accessed from a ladder near the rear door.
 
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:51 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 13):
Looks ok but nothing we haven't seen before - ERJ with bigger displays

Way to be a kill joy  Smile ... I think it looks stunning, might not be that huge of an evolution but in terms of design it sure does beat everything I've ever seen.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:04 am

It's like a 777/G550 combo. It's high-tech and modern but it still looks distinctly like a Boeing. I like it.
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:09 am

http://www.newairplane.com/assets/shared/flightdeck1_large.jpg
http://www.newairplane.com/assets/shared/flightdeck4_large.jpg


Freakin awesome. Click for larger

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:12 am

Marvellous.

It still looks like a Boeing, but its smack up to date and is just what one would expect to find in the revolutionary Dreamliner.
Conventional in an unconventional way.

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:16 am




...Is it just me, or does that first picture make it look like the airplane is turning onto the runway at about 70 kts with one main in the air?



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Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 29):
..Is it just me, or does that first picture make it look like the airplane is turning onto the runway at about 70 kts with one main in the air?

Haha, I was wondering the same thing! Seems like a drunk pilot
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:35 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 30):
Haha, I was wondering the same thing! Seems like a drunk pilot

Maybe he hit a pothole and ripped the right main off?
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Looks to me like another airline is attempting to emulate WN, but has misinterpreted the concept of "fast turns".


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Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:29 am

So does Boeing not plan to incorporate any back up "analog" instruments? I thought it was required if you had a PFD and MFD to have an AI, altimeter, and airspeed that operate on a separate pitot static/ vacuum system in case the LCD screens go blank. Anyone know if this is not the case anymore?
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Quoting Wiggidy (Reply 33):
So does Boeing not plan to incorporate any back up "analog" instruments?



Plenty of aircraft use backup EHSIs that are digital, rather than analog.



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Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:36 am

Quoting Wiggidy (Reply 33):
So does Boeing not plan to incorporate any back up "analog" instruments? I thought it was required if you had a PFD and MFD to have an AI, altimeter, and airspeed that operate on a separate pitot static/ vacuum system in case the LCD screens go blank. Anyone know if this is not the case anymore?

I believe all you need is backup instruments, if the second PFD is fully indepent from the first I dont see a problem, besides, when was the last time that an airplane lost all of its primary flight instruments? i dont think it has happened in years.
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 29):
Is it just me, or does that first picture make it look like the airplane is turning onto the runway at about 70 kts with one main in the air?


I don't think it does - always trust your instruments!  

I think the more pertinent question is what is the aircraft doing in that position with no pilots...

Looking at he images, it appears Boeing are going to move away from the brown colour used on the 747-400, 757, 767 and 777. I wonder if it is just the images, or if there is a reason for this? I seem to recall them spending some time justifying the colour, in terms of its neutrality and nature of not showing up dirt etc...

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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 35):
I believe all you need is backup instruments, if the second PFD is fully indepent from the first I dont see a problem, besides, when was the last time that an airplane lost all of its primary flight instruments? i dont think it has happened in years.

The problem is that if a plane loses its engines, it also loses its electical supply and digital instruments do not work without electricity. To deal with this, modern planes have a small device, called a RAM (ram air turbine), that is lowered into the wind and generates enough electricity to ensure that vital instruments are operational. This is how that Air Transat A330 actually managed to glide safely, after both its engines cut out.

The above allows for all backup instruments to also be digital. This is the case for the B777:


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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting Wiggidy (Reply 33):

Like it or not, technophobia is just not sensible in this case. Those "accurate" and "reliable" old school gauges you talk about are actually really not nearly as accurate, reliable, efficient, ergonomic, or useful as MFDs or PFDs. While a typical gyro attitude indicator usually fails every 400 hours or so, a PFD utilizing solid state gyros will last thousands of hours. The displays? Yeah, it'd be bad if one of them failed, but how often do you think that happens? Has it ever happened to your display? I've used various LCD monitors, MFDs, and GPS units, and the only thing that's ever happened to me is one monitor shipped with one stuck blue pixel (none have since surfaced). And of course, in the aviation world we like to plan for the worst possible scenario imaginable. That's why both systems back each other up (the way it works in a 727, for example, is that one air data computer feeds the Cpt HSI and the F/O RMI, while a separate air data computer feeds the F/O HSI and Cpt RMI. It's no doubt even more reliable in the 787), both systems can be slaved to the other system in case one system fails, you have a compass (which won't fail, I'm betting), and you have your backup attitude indicator, which is powered by a battery (in case you lose all electricity). Oh, and if you lose electricity, a little turbine generator drops down which can provide electricity, and of course you have your APU. EDIT (I keep forgetting things): Also, ALL airplane instruments are powered by electricity. It's not a matter of computer displays using electricity while a traditional HSI doesn't, because they both do. If you lose electricity, you lose most of your instruments, not just your displays. The 787 will also not be the first to tote all computer displays, with no (or few) traditional gauges.

With regards to a couple of your other posts, the CR22 has Avadyne displays, not Garmin (technicality, I know), and the ERJ comes nowhere close to having the same size displays (not to mention that they're tube and not LCD). Also look at the FMC screens. Huge! They look absolutely stunning. I can't wait to see what the final product looks like, especially when they drop the seat back garnishes that I think are probably just for show right now. No reason to stick on an extra 20 lbs of materials. 20 lbs may not be much, but 20 lbs here and 20 lbs there can make a big difference.

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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:31 pm

Really awesome, nothing like other Boeing flight decks, and those HUDS look great
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:47 pm

Looks awesome, but where's the side stick?

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:50 pm

well i guess there goes the commonality with the 757 and 767 cockpit (777 too i believe, correct me if im wrong). what is that white thing on the back of the seat? looks like a shell. pretty modern looking though, alot better then the brown.
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:54 pm

Really awesome!!! Reminds me of Star Trek or something along those lines.
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:06 pm

Who is getting the first one and when?
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 41):
(777 too i believe, correct me if im wrong)

You're wrong! nothing is that different other than the fact that the displays are larger. It looks like they've integrated the ND and EFIS into one display, instead of two. Sure, it's different, but not substantially. Somebody up there said that there's supposed to be a short transition time between 777 and 787, but I doubt it'll be quite as quick as 5 days. The systems of the 787 are going to be quite different from the 777 or any previous plane for that matter. Contrary to popular belief, training to fly an airplane is not just about learning the cockpit, so while commonality in the cockpit certainly helps, it's by no means the most important factor to be learned.
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 44):
You're wrong!

You misinterpreted my statement. I was implying that there was no commonality between 757/767/777 and the 787 cockpit. i was questioning if the 777 cockpit was common to the 757/767
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:39 pm

FLIPPIN SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't wait to see one myself, I'm gonna be sure to book one of the first flights on one, and I'm going to make sure it is a long one. SCHWEET!!!!!
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:40 pm

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 38):
the CR22 has Avadyne displays, not Garmin

you're right, our glass cockpit warriors use G-1000s I believe. However, I know that both of our cirrus's and all glass cockpit GA aircraft require a backup set of instruments as per part 91 of the FARs. So its the RAT that allows part 135 operators to bypass having backups? Any clarification is appreciated
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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:18 pm

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 45):

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off in a hostile way anyway, more of a joke.

Quoting Wiggidy (Reply 47):

The Warriors (and all Pipers) use Avadynes as well, the current GA aircraft that use G1000s are (as far as I know) Cessna, Diamond, and Mooney. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but maybe I can clarify (not just for you, but any forum reader that wants to know more about this stuff).

US airlines operate under FAR part 121, not 135 (charter-esque) or 91 (private, non commercial, with the exception of flight instruction). They do require that you have independent backups of airspeed, attitude, navigation, and altitude (and of course a compass!). Those backups used to be traditional style gauges, but not out of requirement, simply out of practicality. The reason LCD backups weren't common was (I think) because of cost. Ten years ago, it was only practical for the most expensive airplanes simply to have tube displays, let alone LCD MFDs and PFDs. Because of the enormous technological advances in the past 10 years, backup displays have moved from traditional gauges to LCD backups. There's nothing in the regulations about having to have traditional backups, only that the backups must be able to continue "reliable operation for a minimum of 30 minutes after total failure of the electrical generating system".

Now, I looked through the regs for this, and asked around a bit, so I'm fairly sure of my answer, but I'm definitely open to being corrected by any of our resident airline pilots.

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RE: Boeing To Unveil 787 Flight Deck Today 8/31

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:00 pm

Nice, but I had hoped they'd modernise the throttle quadrant a bit. Sticks out like a sore thumb a little bit. Otherwise, nice job Boeing.
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