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Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Sun May 07, 2000 10:34 am

Hi,

I want to know your opinion concerning the new Pan Am. Will they fail again (for the third time (!!)) I'm wondering...

I've seen their website. It's totally outdated and the picture of the famous Clipper Class let me a bit cold (seats look so hard and uncomfortable!). But, there is more than the basic presentation of their website that makes me wonder: in fact, I don't really see why someone could want to fly them. Is their something beyond their popular name and logo? I mean, their planes are not so recent, their destinations are not really attractive (at least for me!), you can't book flights for all of their destinations online, their marketing strategies seem to be weak, etc.

I may be wrong, but I don't see any significant future for them. But that's just my opinion  

Regards,

CharterFlyer
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Sun May 07, 2000 6:04 pm

Hang in there... I had been told that we can expect a new website from them within the next couple weeks. The reason the other one is so outdated is because they've focused their attention to building a new one. Hopefully it will better reflect the airline and what they hope to accomplish.

Keep checking back...
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Mon May 08, 2000 5:30 am

I only hope that Pan Am won't go the way the many Braniffs went.......... Not to bright of a future........ Airlines such as the original Pan Am, the original Braniff should never had ever shut down in the first place...... Good luck to Pan Am......... I hope they do succeed.....
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Mon May 08, 2000 5:41 am

Has anyone noticed one of the pictures of the 727s on their website is a model airplane ?
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Mon May 08, 2000 5:46 am

I actually like their marketing strategy.... they offer cheap tariffs, full service (meals) between under-utilized airports within driving distance of Boston, Chicago and Orlando and other places. And the 727 is a classic... I'd certainly like to fly them once.
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Mon May 08, 2000 5:52 am

I live about 10 minutes from Sanford, and every time i visit, their planes are 100% full of passengers, one pilot told me that he had only seen five seats unfilled on any flight. It is really surprising how their loads are!
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Mon May 08, 2000 7:40 am

Sometimes flying from secondry airports can be very profitable, vastly lower landing fees, little if any direct competition, slots at peak times and you can combine that last point with no delays and shorter checkin times, convenient and cheap car parking all of which help to attract customers. Plus they offer something a bit different (36 inch pitch, coffee at check in, hot towels etc) which would help to entice people to their airports over main ones.

I think they'll have to improve their advertising, the web page is pretty typical, for example their timetable is quite obviously done by MicrosoftWord, I'm not kidding. Their staff seem nice though and enthusiastic.

Also although the 727's are classic, the fuel situation must really be hitting them hard, although newer planes probably wouldn't save that mch because of higher rentals, I wouldn't be investing much in the 727's because surely they've got to be nearing retirement.

I think they know the area they fly in very well and as a local airline they'll do well. Plus they were doing very well with charters, which if they ever wanted to expand internationally with the name would serve them well in the trans atlantic market. I get the impression those who run it are real "fans" of the old classic clippers, I just can't see this airline becoming anything more than a regional, which really is so sad.
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Mon May 08, 2000 1:30 pm

I hope that Pan Am will get more money soon so that they can have international service such as points in the Carribean and Canada. As well as newr planes, Judging by the airline flying to smaller airports I think that the 717-200 or the 757-200 would look good with the Billboard and the classic blue globe. I like the 727-200 but it's long in the tooth and nails.
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RE: Will

Tue May 09, 2000 12:47 am


VirginA340 wrote:
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I hope that Pan Am will get more money soon so that they can have international service such as points in the Carribean and Canada. As well as newr planes, Judging by the airline flying to smaller airports I think that the 717-200 or the 757-200 would look good with the Billboard and the classic blue globe. I like the 727-200 but it's long in the tooth and nails.


I'd love to see it too, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it yet.... I agree about the 717 though. I think it would be a smart move when they get to the point where they have money to afford such an order. As long as they keep filling their 727's, who knows? Maybe it'll happen after all.
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Tue May 09, 2000 3:33 am

Guildford Transportation (NE Rail Company) seems to be bank rolling the show and aren't short of cash. I guess with deep pocketed owners they have got a better chance than most. Lets hope so! I agree Clipper 757's or 717's would be great to see, plus 757's could take them Long Haul!
 
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Ryanair

Tue May 09, 2000 3:46 am



Ryanair wrote:
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Guildford Transportation (NE Rail Company) seems to be bank rolling the show and aren't short of cash. I guess with deep pocketed owners they have got a better chance than most. Lets hope so! I agree Clipper 757's or 717's would be great to see, plus 757's could take them Long Haul!

Thanks for the note. I was unaware of the ownership group and their financial position. Hopefully they decide to ante up the funds to get a serious marketing campaign going. Visibility is everything. They need to establish an image, and the people will follow eventually. I had been told to look for a new, updated website from Pan Am within the next two weeks. Keep your eyes open!
 
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RE: Ryanair

Tue May 09, 2000 4:33 am

Hello again Rominato, the ownership thing, I believe they're owned by the same people as Guildford but there's no formal link in terms of ownership with Guildford as such (although that's where the monies coming from!) although the planes are owned by Guildford and nominally leased to Pan Am. It's an odd set up but I guess the idea's if PA went under it would leave the rail group intact.

I agree with you on the marketing, my experience is PA is very good when you approach it, but unless your interested already, their promotion wouldn't make you want to do that. Having said that looking at their schedule it's designed around very specific markets like Portsmouth-Pittsburg (not Pittsburg-Portsmouth!) day return business travellers, so I suppose if the people who are likily to do that all know nobody else needs to at the moment. I think they're trying to be a niche airline for now, rather than going in all guns blazing like Shugrue did and blowing tens of millions in the process. That still doesn't excuse shabby image, but lets wait on the new site to see what that brings, I await your views! Bye for now.
 
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RE: Ryanair

Tue May 09, 2000 4:34 am

I have a great deal of interest in this carrier because my family's summer home is 15min away from PSM in Maine. If they could bring service to Wash or Balto, it would be great. We have SWA and MetroJet from BWI to MHT but Pease would be ideal.
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Tue May 09, 2000 7:25 am

    Since when does the 727 have winglets?    
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Wed May 10, 2000 2:55 am

Hello DeltaMan,

Check the Quietwing web site to have some more information about the 727's winglets.

www.quietwing.com

Regards,

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RE: Will

Thu May 11, 2000 10:17 pm

I bet you will see them with B737-300/400's and maybe eventually B757-200's. US Airways is planning to dump an awful lot of Boeings with life left in them on the market as they begin getting their A319's & A320's.

Given their cautious growth plans and conservative financial stance, I would see them buying additional (but newer) used a/c before they start ordering new.
 
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RE: Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?

Thu May 11, 2000 10:54 pm

Well. i do hope the New Pan Am will make it . It will be difficult for them initially but i think they will make it through . Who knows in 10 years time , they might be doing very well . So all the best to Pan-Am and lastly , their Boeing 727-200A with winglets look very impressive .

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