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A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:11 pm

F-WWOW will arrive at Sydney on Nov 16th to celebrate the 85th birthday of Qantas.Will make a stop at Singapore before.
Will arrive at Dubai for the show on Nov 20th , till 24th.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore ,Sydney , Dubai

Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:24 pm

So it's going to Sydney? There had been a lot of talk that it would be coming to Brisbane rather than Sydney. I had been looking forward to seeing it. Oh well, I might have to make a trip down to Sydney.

Do you have a link to any source for this, or any more details?

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:35 pm

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
F-WWOW will arrive at Sydney on Nov 16th to celebrate the 85th birthday of Qantas.Will make a stop at Singapore before.
Will arrive at Dubai for the show on Nov 20th , till 24th.

Maybe we could expect a follow on order for some more A380 from Qantas, at its birthday party.

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:42 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 1):
Brisbane rather than Sydney

It should fly to MEL since this was the first airport to be ready for the 380...
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:02 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
Maybe we could expect a follow on order for some more A380 from Qantas, at its birthday party.

They may announce the 350/787 and 777/A340 RFP... but the A380, not so sure it will be done this soon. I am willing to bet if any follow up orders are made by QANTAS it will be when it has flown commercially and performance measures are met. The A380 still has some uncertainty that it won't meet performance targets and again it may not be substantiated but it can't be disregarded either due to the 6 month delay. Other than the Airbus test team no one knows whats going on.

Just my 2 cents.
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:10 pm

Since when was SYDs runway A380 ready? Wonder how much SYD payed for the privilage of having the A380 before BNE or MEL
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:13 pm

In this context (the program 6 month shift), it looks a bit like a "Sorry for the delay" Tour.
However, I think they would have done the same Presentation Tour if there wasn't any delay.

I'm looking forward these dates for the A380 to be on the headline again...

Cheers,  Smile
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:52 pm

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 6):
In this context (the program 6 month shift), it looks a bit like a "Sorry for the delay" Tour.

I think you are dead right here. Also I believe it will be the A380 publicity plus dead giveaway prices on A350. Airbus knows they are up against it with regard to 777/787 but I believe Qantas will end up with A350 just like the A330 already given away.

We know launch customers were given ridiculous prices on A380 and A350 will go the same way. Airbus is holding its own on A32x/737NG but it would appear to be struggling and discounting heavily in an attempt to stay competitive in the widebodys.

Basically Qantas wants 787/777 but will probably end up with Airbuses do to a price that nobody could refuse... time will tell.  twocents 
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:58 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
Basically Qantas wants 787/777 but will probably end up with Airbuses do to a price that nobody could refuse... time will tell.

So what ?
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:05 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Since when was SYDs runway A380 ready?

Since about 1975! The A380 will be certified to use any runway certified for B747's. Depending on the airport there MAY be certian specific requirements such as structures with an absolute weight limit, rather than only a pavement limit. [AFAIK there are no such problems at SYD] There may also be operational requirments such as ensuring the sides of the runway are clear of causes for FOD to a greter width than normal.

Most so called A380 works on the runway/taxiways are for operational ease, rather than certification requirements.

BTW Since the revamp of the Airbus web site I cannot find the A380 airfield requirement manual! Anybody got a current link??

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:19 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
We know launch customers were given ridiculous prices on A380

As I don't think we have official sources (do you? I don't). I will talk about what we heard here.

It has been said that EK, who probably had the biggest discount considering their 45 plane order, paid $150M each frame instead of $250M list price.

It also has been said that ANA had a 50% discount on a already very cheap B787 ($120M list price IIRC) i.e. more than EK's discount.

So I don't think Airbus is the only one playing this game now that Boeing sales team has changed.

And anyway, we will never know everything 'coz airplane purchase is not just about the frame price.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:35 pm

It is at the same time funny and tiring to read again and again on A-net that, when Airbus sales planes it must be due to large discounts, but when Boeing sales planes it is because they are so much better.
Can't everybody understand that selling airliners is a business with all the rules and tricks linled to any business.
And Airbus and Boeing are alike when it comes to deal with customers (even political supports are in hand on both sides).
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:45 pm

Keep talking all of your airbus vs. boeing stuff.......all I hope for is that this thread is true.......and I'll be ready and waiting!

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:46 pm

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
F-WWOW will arrive at Sydney on Nov 16th to celebrate the 85th birthday of Qantas.

Yay - happy birthday QF. I must say, there's been next to nothing in terms of advertising this milestone. The 75th was a big thing - so it's nice to see that ten years on we'll have the future of long haul aviation: The A380, to celebrate with!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Wonder how much SYD payed for the privilage of having the A380 before BNE or MEL

Heh, uh - you think Sydney Airports Corporation payed airbus to do this?

Are you...mad?

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:15 pm

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 4):
The A380 still has some uncertainty that it won't meet performance targets and again it may not be substantiated but it can't be disregarded either due to the 6 month delay. Other than the Airbus test team no one knows whats going on.

Do you really believe that?
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 3):

I totally agree with you. I am a Melbournian and not happy about the A380 not coming to Tullamarine as we were the first in Australia to have our airport ready for it.

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:58 am

As BoogyJay said it's a "Sorry for the delay" tour.
Information provided by Air&Cosmos , which always gets the information from Airbus in exclusivity.
Not sure if the programm didn't experience some delays , the plane would have gone to Australia.
It has always been known that it will fly to Dubai for the show , being painted in EK color scheme , but now that it will visit QF and SQ , not sure this purpose will be done.
Why not painting "Merci Emirates , Qantas and Singapore" on the fuselage ?
Virginflyer , do not desesperate , it is mentionned Sydney for the birthday on Nov16th , but as it will arrive at Dubai on Nov20th , perhaps it will make a tour around Australia during these 4 days.Just a though.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:13 am

How cool would it be if they would paint the aircraft with a QF tail, Emirates billboard side and an SQ cheat line.

thats a wow. you'll kill 3 birds with one stone Big grin

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:21 am

KL808

Superb idea !!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 17):
you'll kill 3 birds with one stone

hehe, not sure the airlines would appreciate now... They'd probably prefer to see 3 birds flying by now, for all the stones they paid already.

Leahy had promised to many A380 customers that they'd be able to see the bird in their country, painted in their c/s.

But with only 1 aircraft currently flying, I guess he's having trouble keeping up with those promises and is having to compromise.
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:01 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 4):
They may announce the 350/787

I spoke to the Chairwoman of Qantas in June and she said that Qantas has no plans yet on buying the 787 Dreamliner or the A350 at the present time.

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 6):
In this context (the program 6 month shift), it looks a bit like a "Sorry for the delay" Tour

If that's the case, then I think it's a very bad move, because that's another ten days that this aircraft will not be testing.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 16):
Why not painting "Merci Emirates , Qantas and Singapore" on the fuselage ?

A bit French centric? I thought Airbus is a pan-European company.  Wink
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
Maybe we could expect a follow on order for some more A380 from Qantas, at its birthday party.

Qantas has a good number of options for the A380, even if they want to convert them to orders they are not in a hurry.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 19):
hehe, not sure the airlines would appreciate now... They'd probably prefer to see 3 birds flying by now, for all the stones they paid already.

I think there are paintshops in Dubai and Singapore  crazy 

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 21):
Quoting FCKC (Reply 16):
Why not painting "Merci Emirates , Qantas and Singapore" on the fuselage ?

A bit French centric? I thought Airbus is a pan-European company.

Since "merci" in French means both "thank you" and "mercy", the word may be appropriate  Smile
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:14 am

Thanks for sharing the news...I had the chance to see it at LBG this year, but guess where I'll be on November 16th: yup, SYD indeed. What are the odds (well, I leave at 9AM but I still might catch it again)?  Wink

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 11):
It is at the same time funny and tiring to read again and again on A-net that, when Airbus sales planes it must be due to large discounts, but when Boeing sales planes it is because they are so much better.
Can't everybody understand that selling airliners is a business with all the rules and tricks linled to any business.
And Airbus and Boeing are alike when it comes to deal with customers (even political supports are in hand on both sides).

Spot on Breiz.

Could not agree more.

The FR 738 order is often also forgotten on these threads.

It's a business!!
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 16):
As BoogyJay said it's a "Sorry for the delay" tour.

LOL. It's the, "Sorry for the delay, would you like some 350's at cost?" Big grin
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:30 am

Local rumours had it as going to BNE earlier, mainly due to the runway being 380 capable, however as has been said in this post, it looks like 45 metre width runways are acceptable.

Also a lot of work is/has been carried out in SYD already for taxiway widening associated with 16R/34L and a series of old hangars are to be demolished soon to cater for straightening of taxiway Gulf, to facilitate wingtip clearance for the flight strip of 07/25. Gate works are also going on at present at the International terminal.

If it does come to SYD for the QF birthday bash (as has been requested by QF) its going to save me some cash and a trip to Brizzy.

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
I believe Qantas will end up with A350 just like the A330 already given away.



Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
Qantas wants 787/777 but will probably end up with Airbuses do to a price that nobody could refuse...

Could you please elaborate on these?

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 10):
It has been said that EK, who probably had the biggest discount considering their 45 plane order, paid $150M each frame instead of $250M list price.

Last time I checked Emirates paid around $7 billions 2001-USD for 43 planes including 2 freighters. This is around $165 millions 2001-USD each.

Due to the 30% dollar slippage if you want to compare this to latest B787 deals you shall actualize the figure - to slightly more than $210 millions 2005-USD.

In short: the discount Airbus gave to EK (by far their best customer) is as if they sold it today at more than $210 millions USD. At a time the program wasn't even formally launched.

They did not sell at list price for sure ... but please keep cool with the giant "discount" myth
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:27 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 4):
The A380 still has some uncertainty that it won't meet performance targets and again it may not be substantiated but it can't be disregarded either due to the 6 month delay. Other than the Airbus test team no one knows whats going on.

BoeingBus, For context, please provide the forecast vs. actual project schedule for the 747.
Are you genuinely surprised about delays on a significantly new aircraft type or just hoping for problems?
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 3):
It should fly to MEL since this was the first airport to be ready for the 380...

Agree.
Not only was the airport the first A380 ready in Australia, but QF has already announced MEL-LAX as one of its first A380 sectors.

Add to that the fact that SQ and EK will most likely operate the aircraft to MEL, and the fact that construction of the two new double aerobriedges is well underway, it seems to make sense.

Can the A380 do MEL-DXB non-stop?

Maybe it's worth visiting SYD, then going to MEL, then flying non-stop MEL-DXB on the return!?!
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:30 pm

if they are sending it to Australia in celebration of Qantas' birthday then it should go to Brisbane, afterall that's where the company has it's origins!
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:17 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 30):
Quoting Glareskin (Reply 3):
It should fly to MEL since this was the first airport to be ready for the 380...

Agree.
Not only was the airport the first A380 ready in Australia, but QF has already announced MEL-LAX as one of its first A380 sectors.

Exactly why should Melbourne get all the glory of being the first aussie city to see the A380 and the first aussie city have QF flights. Just because they were ready for it first, woop de do. It should go to SYD and BNE and if there's enough time go to MEL too. And not to forget all the Western Australians it should got to PER(if it's ready).

SYD has a bigger population than both MEL and BNE, it would be a good chance for QF and Airbus to show off the A380.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:52 pm

The A380 should have made a courtesy stop at BOM/DEL as they have one customer here in Kingfisher and prospective ones in 9W.

They can actually use this as an opp to impress the AI mgmt and ministery bureaucrats... as their fleet expansion is still not finalised...
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:53 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 26):
LOL. It's the, "Sorry for the delay, would you like some 350's at cost?"

Why not below cost?  Confused


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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:35 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 31):
if they are sending it to Australia in celebration of Qantas' birthday then it should go to Brisbane, afterall that's where the company has it's origins!

Don't be silly. It started in Longreach and Winton. What you're suggesting is akin to Canberra taking the credit for the Sydney olympics.

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:40 pm

When will the A380 depart SYD for Dubai?
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:19 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 32):
SYD has a bigger population than both MEL and BNE

Exactly what are you frustrated about? This sentence sounds familiar... scratchchin 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:31 pm

Shouldn't the A380 fly into SYD since it is there that QF has it's operation headquaters and not in MEL or BNE? Who cares if the taxi way was the 'first' and QF's origins are in BNE?
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:09 am

AirIndia

Probably a tour to India will come later.
Kingfisher is not considered as a launch customer , and will not be affected by the delay.Remember it's a "sorry tour".
Also heard 9W is interested in the plane , but surely the relation between Airbus and AI , are not so kind at this moment , so probably too early for them to get it.

777ER

It will arrive at MEL on Nov16th , and will be at DXB on Nov20th.
Do not know what it will do during these 4 days and when it will leave for the Gulf.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
Do you really believe that?

Look, at this point you can believe whatever you want w/o a confirmation from Airbus testing. Its all rumors and people are having fun with it right now.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 29):
forecast vs. actual project schedule for the 747

You just can't compare the two. The 747 was unprecedented where as the A380 reused a lot proven techniques. But nevertheless a technological marvel. Personally, I would compare the A380 program with the 777. The obvious difference is the scale of the project. Yes, Boeing had delays with the 777 and they were for performance reasons of which Boeing ironed out and ended up being a very successful project. I hope the A380 ends up being the same.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 29):
Are you genuinely surprised about delays on a significantly new aircraft type

No. BUt you discount the fact that right now issues exist. No one really knows the magnitude. At the moment, A380 sales lost momentum and a lot of airlines are waiting for a confirmation from airlines and Airbus that performance targets are met. Nothing wrong with this as long as Airbus follows through, right?
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:54 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 39):
It will arrive at MEL on Nov16th , and will be at DXB on Nov20th

So its now going to MEL instead of SYD?
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 29):
For context, please provide the forecast vs. actual project schedule for the 747.

Please see Reply 59 of the following thread

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2280151/

To summarize, the original 747 was developed in less than 4 years with a delay of about 1.5 months. In comparison, it will take Airbus about 6 years and the delay is at a minimum of 6 months.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:33 pm

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 40):
Look, at this point you can believe whatever you want w/o a confirmation from Airbus testing. Its all rumors and people are having fun with it right now.

 Sad


We don't know if it is true that the major flag carriers hold their breath for the 787, that delays have become more and more likely, that empty weight is increasing and that the FAA has some certification issues. Boeing didn't inform us on that, they don't deny, so we don't know what they are holding back.


Bringing up / repeating this kind of crap on e.g the A380 seems to serve a purpose for some on this site. "were smoke is .."

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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:25 am

I already provided these dates in other threads a while back, with additional dates:

here

and here

Also, not only the Airbus flight test centre have the information, so a good portion of the Airbus employees, and so far so good.

You would see the reports anyway, you would not understand half of it.
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 30):
Can the A380 do MEL-DXB non-stop?

Yes it is in the A380 possibility, it is 600nm shorter than the MEL-Lax leg that QF plans to fly with a full payload A380.

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P.S. I could be in Sydney in this period...anyone knows if u have to pay for the entrance of the 85th anniversary or other information about it? Thanks
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:42 pm

For our fellow Australians who wanted to have the A380 at their local airports, I found an interesting quote of Champion, Airbus chief operating officer and head of A380 program, from the last Flight International article

Quote:

“We will probably take the opportunity to check out a couple more airports for Qantas,” says Champion.

So SYD seems sure. "A couple more airports" certainly includes MEL. What can be the other one: BNE? PER? It probably depends on where QF wants to use the A380 from.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:02 am

i wonder when will A380 land in a U.S. airport
SQ always my 1st choice
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:23 am

I believe that Airbus should be maximizing the exposure of the 380. If it is going to SYD then why not add MEL, BNE and PER? Bring in the local press and get some impressive coverage. It's the same for Asia.

Actually, I would like to see a lot of testing based in a location where plane lovers could get to easily and watch takeoffs & landings. It would build interest in the plane as well as giving some very nice boosts to the local economy as the tourists arrive to see the 380.
 
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RE: A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:07 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 46):
So SYD seems sure. "A couple more airports" certainly includes MEL. What can be the other one: BNE? PER? It probably depends on where QF wants to use the A380 from.

As a Perth 'local' I would dearly love to see it here. It will come one day purely on the basis that Perth is setting itself up as a major hub. Check these links:

http://www1.perthairport.net.au/uploads/DOCUMENT_223.pdf

http://www1.perthairport.net.au/uploads/DOCUMENT_224.pdf

I'm not sure how A380 "ready" YPPH is but the Master Plan suggests big things.

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