panaman
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Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:48 am

I do not have much info on it all I know is some sort of plane has crashed at 560 Huyler St. Which is at or near Teterboro, Airport. 1 DOA at least 2 others in serious condition, headed to local hospitals.
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kcrwflyer
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:26 am

again!?


.. seems like this airport isnt safe
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):

.. seems like this airport isnt safe

Was it a landing accident?

Was it a takeoff accident?

Was it an equipment malfunction?

Was it pilot error?

Until even some rudimentary facts are known, how can anyone conclude anything, especially the the airport is "unsafe:?  Yeah sure
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:38 am

any link to news ???
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:46 am



SOUTH HACKENSACK, N.J. - A small plane struck a post office building near Teterboro Airport late Friday and crashed in a marshy area after the pilot radioed that he was having engine trouble.

Arlene Murray, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said the single-engine plane was diverted to Teterboro after the pilot reported an engine problem. She said the plane came to rest in a marshy area after striking the building.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...03/ap_on_re_us/small_plane_crash_1



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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:17 pm

I just passed by the area (Rt. 46) the road north of the border of Teterboro airport. Power is out for a number of blocks around. It partially crashed into a US Post Office annex building. This building is about 1/4 mile north of the northern border of the airport. Apparently is was a Cessna 172. They believe the pilot abord was killed, but not sure if there was a passanger or someone in or around the building was killed. The flight was originally headed for Fairfield (NJ) airport, and was attempting to land at Teterboro due to a problem. The NIMBY's will be out in full scream now!!
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 4):
SOUTH HACKENSACK, N.J. - A small plane struck a post office building near Teterboro Airport late Friday and crashed in a marshy area after the pilot radioed that he was having engine trouble.


As we can see, once basic information comes in, the airport didn't have anything to do with it....

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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):

Yep, sure sounds like it's the airport's fault

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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:40 pm

oh crap... here we go again. the public is never going to trust GA again.  Sad
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corey07850
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:53 pm

ugh not again....Cessna 177(?) en route to CDW, radioed fuel problems.
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:59 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
again!?


.. seems like this airport isnt safe

Eh, come to APA. Btw how does an engine problem = unsafe airport?
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:11 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 10):
Btw how does an engine problem = unsafe airport?

Welcome to the world of TEB... A Global could take off, fly across the globe, crash in Asia, and people would call for the closure of TEB.

In other news, TEB is set to have EMASS (concrete arrestor beds) placed between the approach of 24 and Rt. 46 this year...
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:14 pm

I wish they close that F***** airport. I've flown in there several times, its a pain in the ass, especially the departures.
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:34 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
The NIMBY's will be out in full scream now!!

First of all, you're right LTBEWR. But why is this true?

It's true because all of aviation has been to nice to put the NIMBYs back down. Was anyone, outside of the airplane, injured?

When there's a fatal accident on the highway, do the NIMBYs insist that the highway be closed? NO.

Over 40,000 people died in car accidents last year. Shall we ban all cars?

I say that we, and all of aviation, need to stand up to the NIMBYs. Ask them why they want to deny your civil right to travel...
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:32 am

If you think that airport isn't safe what about APA here in Denver...... We lead the nation in GA crashes......
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:04 am

Although it is to early to tell the cause, one thing is certain, Teterboro has had some bad luck over the last two years!

Condolences to all involved families.
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:01 am

don't think that it is the airport we should be talking about here. I think that it is the fact that both the approach and departure procedures are complex and most pilots are not trained to that level and don't want to take in the advanced knowledge on their own accord.

Just my opinion through many years of flying in and out of TEB

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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
again!?


.. seems like this airport isnt safe

Why would an aircraft that DIDN'T takeoff TEB and crash near TEB make TEB not safe or responsible?

For that matter, just because the aircraft took off from an airport doesn't exactly mean its the airports fault.
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 14):
If you think that airport isn't safe what about APA here in Denver...... We lead the nation in GA crashes......

Numbers-wise but not percentage wise, APA is after all the 3rd busiest GA airport in America. Percentage-wise APA is actually pretty safe.
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:28 am

An engine could fail or the same with other mechanical defects at any airport, at any time. Look at the US 737 into PIT in 94, the AA A300 at JFK in '01, the DC10 at ORD, the CRJ near JEF... are those airports unsafe?? Use some logic here, folks. Even the app/dep procedures at TEB are irrelevant to this crash.
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 13):
First of all, you're right LTBEWR. But why is this true?

It's true because all of aviation has been to nice to put the NIMBYs back down. Was anyone, outside of the airplane, injured?

When there's a fatal accident on the highway, do the NIMBYs insist that the highway be closed? NO.

Over 40,000 people died in car accidents last year. Shall we ban all cars?

I say that we, and all of aviation, need to stand up to the NIMBYs. Ask them why they want to deny your civil right to travel...

Welcome to my RR list  bigthumbsup  I don't get it though, TEB just has had plain old dumb luck. This is the fourth accident there in the last 18 months, right?
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 20):
This is the fourth accident there in the last 18 months, right?

And the first fatality if I remember right
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:49 am

My reference to the NIMBY's being riled up in the area of TEB is that there has been a number of accidents around the airport have occured in recent years, as well as growing noise complaints. Housing values near TEB have been going up greatly in recent years, so the new owners, although they knew they were near an airport, fear that increased numbers of incidents, crashes and more noise may badly affect their excessively priced home, especially if values level off from their current obscene highs.
By the way, I live less than 3 miles from TEB and often see approaching and departing aircraft from there often.
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 9):
ugh not again....Cessna 177(?) en route to CDW, radioed fuel problems.

NYT reports C177A N30491.

The layman wouldn't know the difference between a 177 (Cardinal) and a 172.

An example of a 177 (Not the accident bird) is:

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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 22):
Housing values near TEB have been going up greatly in recent years, so the new owners, although they knew they were near an airport, fear that increased numbers of incidents, crashes and more noise may badly affect their excessively priced home

Good point, LTBEWR. IIRC, several years ago, a flight instructor at APA filed an attachment to the deed of a home owner, and president of the local anti-airport group, noting that her home suffered a "defect" because it was near APA. After all, Colorado is a "full-disclosure" state; you're required to list any fault or defect when you sell a home. The flight instructor used the words of the anti-airport leader against her own self (and self-interest). So, (again if IIRC) she sued him for devaluing her home.

Does anyone know how that lawsuit turned out?

Why do we coddle the NIMBYs? If they move in next to a hospital, fire station or police station, do they complain about the noise of the sirens and insist that facility be closed?

IMHO, the NIMBYs are only happy when they've something to complain about, no matter how lame.
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 24):


IMHO, the NIMBYs are only happy when they've something to complain about, no matter how lame.

You don't hear them praising the amount of money airports like TEB and APA bring to the community, or the jobs they provide, and any other "good-neighbor" acts the do (TEB has installed sound-proofing in area schools)
 
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RE: Plane Down In Teterboro

Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:10 pm

Forget the the nimbys, someone died, this should be the story. Instead I watch the news and see some local moron, with no credentials to comment on TEB's capacity capabilites say, "they need to reduce the number of flights by at least 25%, there are families here, its not safe." It seems that no one cares that a woman died and that her passanger was injured. no one on the ground got hurt, and we all know that GA is relativley safe. This is a tradgedy for the pilot and passengar as well as their families, not for the resedents of Teterboro.

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