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UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:11 am

 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:20 am

"However, in light of the national tragedy following Hurricane Katrina, IPA pilots want to assist Gulf Coast residents by volunteering to fly relief missions to Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, without pay.

How nice of them to volunteer themselves to do this, then turn around and fuck the rest of us who use them.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:48 am

What are the chances of the Teamsters honoring the IPA strike. Last year in November the IPA honored the Teamsters Canada strike (UPS).
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:51 am

What the hell is going on? Is this International Year of the Militant Unionist?
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:12 am

Can't we all just get along.....
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 2):
What are the chances of the Teamsters honoring the IPA strike. Last year in November the IPA honored the Teamsters Canada strike (UPS).

The Teamsters have said they'll support the pilots. Whether that actually happens or not is anyone's guess.

EDIT: I think once the IPA goes on strike, if they go on strike, this will be remedied quickly by UPS. By the time the cooling period is over, we'll be getting pretty close to peak season and that'll be a huge bargaining chip for the pilots. Especially if the Teamsters hold strong with them.

[Edited 2005-09-04 01:27:06]
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:35 am

UPS - Those bastards still owe me $88 for "seasonal" help last December before I tweaked my knee! Where's a union rep when you need one?!  bomb 
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:40 am

Guys and gals, I have a thought here -

Instead of continuing to start threads about airline worker strikes and threats of strikes, perhaps we should start threads about airline workers that are NOT striking/threatening to strike. This would save a lot of room on the board.

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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:41 am

Geez, not another one.




Go FedEx!  Big grin
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:42 am

Maybe airline workers are finally putting their collective feet down and saying enough is enough. It's now time to pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer, rather than the employee. Every other business can do it, why not airlines?
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 9):
It's now time to pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer, rather than the employee. Every other business can do it, why not airlines?

So you're saying that airlines are the only kind of businesses that lay off workers, cut benefits, and so on rather than passing on costs to customers? I must be missing something here.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:03 am

Quoting KabAir (Reply 10):
I must be missing something here.

I think the rest of the world's economy is missing that point too.  Big grin
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:29 am

We'll be glad to accept the additional business here at FedEx! I survived a
'Brownout" once before.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:04 am

Not to mention UPS is far less dependable than FedEx, and they cost more!
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:12 am

...and take forever!

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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:56 pm

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 2):
What are the chances of the Teamsters honoring the IPA strike. Last year in November the IPA honored the Teamsters Canada strike (UPS)

110%, they honored our in the 90's strike.

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 13):
Not to mention UPS is far less dependable than FedEx, and they cost more!

You must have them confused with DHL. By the way UPS has never had a plane crash....how many package go late when that happens?
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:52 pm

A strike in UPS is of concern for FedEx anyway. A sudden overflow of packages, perhaps up to double the average volume, is something worth loosing sleep...

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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:15 pm

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 16):

Yes that is true. When UPS in Canada went on strike other couriers could not handle the volume. DHL can barely handle their volume as it is without leaving packages behind a day or two. Our UPS Canada stike only lasted one day, which was a waste of time IMHO.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:24 pm

What the hell is going on? Is this International Year of the Militant Unionist?-----GLOM


militanta unionist??????i did not see the union bretheren at nwa come to amfas defense and i see that doug wants to break the flt attds union as well...what i find funny is that every airline employee from vp up has a "contract"with that airline which basically make the dougs,jerrys and glens of the airline world a one man union....carty at AA was a non dues paying member of local 1 of the airline C.E.O.s virtual union....when tilton turned over the pension to the pbgc.......he still kept his million dollar pension.....the only real gainers of a "union"are the top people at a airline as they get to keep there "negotiated" contracts that were signed on the employees blood iregardless of what the outcome to the minions.....when you look up militant unionist you will see a picture of that greatest one man union to grace the american skies....STEVEN WOLF.....when he was ready to tear apart united...he still kept shipping the italian stone from fco and mxp to iad for his castle in VA...al the while selling off the kitchens and trying to pimp ual off to the pilots,BA and marvin davis....
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 16):
A strike in UPS is of concern for FedEx anyway. A sudden overflow of packages, perhaps up to double the average volume, is something worth loosing sleep...

Especially if it happens during Xmas season, simply put even the USPS DHL and Fedex combined do not handle the ground volume UPS does every day.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 18):
What the hell is going on? Is this International Year of the Militant Unionist?-----GLOM

UPS Pilot can add more on this but from the pilots I have talked to it is more a quality of life issue than a pay issue.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:58 am

UPS is the world's biggest package carrier by far. FedEx and DHL along with USPS in the states won't be able to handle that kind of flow, especially if this comes to fruition in October, November, and/or December.....traditionally the heaviest months for obvious reasons.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:22 am

So when is the timeline for a strike. They said they don't want to strike now because they want to fly relif flights. Can they strike whenever they want now?
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:05 am

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 21):
So when is the timeline for a strike. They said they don't want to strike now because they want to fly relif flights. Can they strike whenever they want now?

There's a mandatory 30 day cooling off period after which, if UPS doesn't acquiesce, they're free to strike. It's convenient for the pilots, they can help with Katrina while waiting out the cooling off period.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:00 am

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 9):
Maybe airline workers are finally putting their collective feet down and saying enough is enough. It's now time to pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer, rather than the employee.

Yea, it is alway screw the consumer. That is always the unions ultimate goal, not the company they work for, because the company passes the costs on. Then the union workers, who are also consumers (but to STUPID to know that) complain because the cost of living went up. Then the want more money and benifits. They NEVER want to give back to save their jobs when the company is in trouble.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 18):
militanta unionist??????

Yeah, or would you prefre I call these union thugs what they really are-ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 21):
So when is the timeline for a strike. They said they don't want to strike now because they want to fly relif flights. Can they strike whenever they want now?

That way they can look good, to the average public, while they turn around and screw the rest of us.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 22):
There's a mandatory 30 day cooling off period after which, if UPS doesn't acquiesce, they're free to strike. It's convenient for the pilots, they can help with Katrina while waiting out the cooling off period.

Aren't the pilots at UPS some of the highest paid pilots in the world, today?

BTW, (off topic) police just shot 8 looters in New Orleans. I hope they are all union members.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 15):
By the way UPS has never had a plane crash....how many package go late when that happens?

Try again...
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 24):

We have never written off a plane due to a accident, nor has any of our employees died in an aviation accident. That particular 763 is back in service.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 25):
We have never written off a plane due to a accident, nor has any of our employees died in an aviation accident. That particular 763 is back in service.

And likewise you should be proud of that. I guess it all depends on the criteria for a "crash".
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 26):

Yes I agree with you. In fact I believe one of our MD-11's suffered damage when it's nose gear collapsed upon landing in SDF.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:28 am

Yes, I saw that when I was searching through the accident reports. But I wouldn't call that one a "crash" so I didn't post it. Though I still have to consider the first one as a "crash". Anyway, thanks for the update on that 763.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 20):
UPS is the world's biggest package carrier by far. FedEx and DHL along with USPS in the states won't be able to handle that kind of flow, especially if this comes to fruition in October, November, and/or December.....traditionally the heaviest months for obvious reasons.

UPS outpaces FedEx in ground delivery. However, FedEx has a larger lift capacity than any other package courier in the world! Yes we may not be able to handle all the additional overflow of packages, but we will definitely gain large corporations that are tired of losing customers to UPS strikes, small business who this type of action adversely affects business and the individual customers who has to get a package elsewhere ASAP. UPS comes out the loser in the end.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 23):
Aren't the pilots at UPS some of the highest paid pilots in the world, today?


Yes they are but this isn't strictly about wages, it's about quality of life i.e. schedules, vacation, health benefits, pensions etc.

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 29):
UPS outpaces FedEx in ground delivery. However, FedEx has a larger lift capacity than any other package courier in the world!

UPS is also significantly more profitable as ground service has higher profit margins than air service does.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:25 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 30):
UPS is also significantly more profitable as ground service has higher profit margins than air service does.

You are dead WRONG!!!! Air is MUCH more profitable than ground!!!!
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:39 am

I always use UPS, a bit cheaper than FedEx here but way more reliable performance.

FedEx Ground has caused me major problems before;

4 years ago:
From Florida to NY, I had 4 tires shipped to me for my car, only one showed up, driver said that's all there is!
I have insurance on them,
Called FedEx up, they tracked the 3 tires, one still in Florida, one in Ohio, one in chicago.

No avail, 2 weeks later I filed a claim, they refunded the cost of the tires but not the shipping charges for the lost packages.


2 months ago:
I had a waterpump for my car shipped from an engine shop in CA via FedEx, I needed it no longer than a week.
The shop shipped it via FedEx. A few days go by and the tracking # shows "On Hold"
I called the shop and asked, they said that wasn't right. They also sent one of their employee to the FedEx shipping center and took the package back, went to DHL and had it in my doorstop 2 days later.


FedEx =  thumbsdown 
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting BrowntailWhale (Reply 31):
You are dead WRONG!!!! Air is MUCH more profitable than ground!!!!

what is your source for this?

Look at ups annual report for last year the amount made per ground shipment is 14X that per air shipment. Just because air costs more does not mean it is more profitable. As International growth continues, this could change though.
The air system makes money but UPS is such the master of ground shipments it is far more profitable. The air system would be far LESS profitable if it could not take advantage of the UPS ground system ie weekend feeds to RFD PHL etc being on ground instead of in the air. Really makes UPS look like a good investment since they are driving when FEDEX/DHL are flying.....
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:27 pm

Quoting BrowntailWhale (Reply 31):
You are dead WRONG!!!! Air is MUCH more profitable than ground!!!!

You might want to stick to flying airplanes and leave the business related topics to the people who know what they're talking about. I'm sorry sir, but it is you who is dead wrong.

Point #1: As I said previously, ground service has much higher profit margins. What is a profit margin? Well, a profit margin is the difference between revenues vs. costs. Air costs are very high for a marginal return in revenue. Ground costs are quite low for the amount of revenue it generates leading to proportionally higher profits.

Refer to: http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/.../sep2004/nf20040910_7026_db014.htm

Point #2: Profit margins aside, ground service accounts for a much larger net income as opposed to the air service.

Looking at the second quarter's(2005) income statement, it appears the ground service accounts for 4.6 billion dollars in revenue while the air service accounts for a paltry 1.5 billion dollars in revenue.

Refer to: http://www.shareholder.com/ups/stock.cfm

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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 8):
Geez, not another one.




Go FedEx!

FedEx pilots have a union as do all other airlines. FedEx pilots could strike as easily as UPS. If my memory serves me correctly they are currently in negotiations as well.

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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:03 am

Just a small correction, not "all other airlines" have a union.

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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:08 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 35):
FedEx pilots have a union as do all other airlines. FedEx pilots could strike as easily as UPS. If my memory serves me correctly they are currently in negotiations as well.

UPS is first and foremost a ground courier, FedEx is first and foremost an air courier. I very seriously doubt that FedEx would allow its pilots union to strike!!! I think they would reach a deal before that would happen, for the companies financial survival depends upon it.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 30):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 23):
Aren't the pilots at UPS some of the highest paid pilots in the world, today?



Yes they are but this isn't strictly about wages, it's about quality of life i.e. schedules, vacation, health benefits, pensions etc.

With the stock options UPS offers it's employees (UPS is one of the most successful stocks on the NYXE), and the current "quality of life" benifits, this does not make any sense. UPS pilots still fly only 70-75 hours per month (up to two weeks of actual work), they don't have to put up BS from boxes (it's too hot, or too cold back here).

This is nothing but pure greed.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:51 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 38):
With the stock options UPS offers it's employees (UPS is one of the most successful stocks on the NYXE), and the current "quality of life" benifits, this does not make any sense. UPS pilots still fly only 70-75 hours per month (up to two weeks of actual work), they don't have to put up BS from boxes (it's too hot, or too cold back here).

This is nothing but pure greed.

We're about to get a whole lot greedier!
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:32 am

95% of our pilots are hard working and will do what ever it takes "Safely" to move the packages from one gateway to the next. The other 5% think their "Gods Gift to this World" and we should roll out the red carpet every time they land. Those 5% is what kills the rest of UPSers
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 37):
I very seriously doubt that FedEx would allow its pilots union to strike!!!

It has happened in the past. As just about everything in FedEx, there is a back-up plan and a fall-back plan. In the absolutely worst case scenario, packages will be flown using interline agreements that have valid and in-force just in case, since the pilots strike of the 1980's.

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 29):
UPS outpaces FedEx in ground delivery. However, FedEx has a larger lift capacity than any other package courier in the world!

True. FedEx's air fleet and airlift capacity are considerably larger than UPS'. Food for thoughts: since its incorporation as an operating company about 5 years ago, FedEx Ground has gained more than 30% of the market - a big bite on UPS' century-old cake.

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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 41):

Fedex is also facing lawsuits from it's independent Contractors which operate Fedex Ground. They are facing lawsuits in a couple of states. Fedex Ground makes money by not offering their contractors regular Fedex Employment when in reality they are actually working as Fedex Employees.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 38):
With the stock options UPS offers it's employees (UPS is one of the most successful stocks on the NYXE), and the current "quality of life" benifits, this does not make any sense. UPS pilots still fly only 70-75 hours per month (up to two weeks of actual work), they don't have to put up BS from boxes (it's too hot, or too cold back here).

This is nothing but pure greed.

Do you know what quality of life means? hint quality of life does not equal MORE MONEY. Rumor is UPS offfered the pilots a generous across the board raise (I think 3%) plus 3k each to sign the contract.
Once again you are talking before knowing what you are talking about. Yes the work few hours but what hours do they work?
Fedex has many day routes due to the USPS contract, UPS has very few. The pilots want a more "livable" schedule ie if you have kids you see them more than on the weekends.
Those greedy pilots wanting to see their families........

Quoting UPS757 (Reply 40):
The other 5% think their "Gods Gift to this World" and we should roll out the red carpet every time they land. Those 5% is what kills the rest of UPSers

I thought they just wanted the White UPS truck with the red carpet?
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:21 am

Scope is the only real issue of negotiations at this point. UPS757 had a good comment about 5% of UPS pilots. I think Tom Nicholson is one of those 5% that wants the red carpet. It's a shame that he's the IPA President. Bob Miller was much better as IPA President. Tom just likes to create more of a hostile work enviroment between UPS and the IPA.
 
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:30 am

Hey UPS guys - if you do end up deciding to strike, post something here about a week beforehand so I can apply for leave of absence. I went through hell the last time UPS struck and don't want to re-live that experience.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting BrowntailWhale (Reply 31):
You are dead WRONG!!!! Air is MUCH more profitable than ground!!!!

Your mom is stupid. <---that's about the caliber of the comment you just made!

For your information, ground delivery has much more profit potential because of the lower costs associated per package shipped. You can put a lot more weight on the roads for a lot cheaper than you can in the air. The reason ground doesn't appeal to many people is because the time it takes to transport. Air delivery can be extremely fast, but you pay extra for this speed. Ground cuts the cost to the consumer by taking more time for delivery.

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 35):
FedEx pilots have a union as do all other airlines. FedEx pilots could strike as easily as UPS. If my memory serves me correctly they are currently in negotiations as well.

Really? You don't say? FedEx has unions?  eyepopping 

Yes, they do, but you won't see FedEx pilots striking anytime soon because they know that their jobs have contingency plans in place to replace them as soon as they leave. Fred Smith did his homework a long time ago and refuses to let the company be held hostage by greedy employees. In return, he's made FedEx one of the best working environments in the country. Pretty good transaction between management and workers that prevents the annual 'brownouts' that your company seems to enjoy.

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 42):
Fedex is also facing lawsuits from it's independent Contractors which operate Fedex Ground.

Very true, which is why FedEx Ground isn't the forefront of the company. They still have a lot of kinks in the system to work out. But, Ground made the system the way it is to prevent exactly this...strikes. That's why the employees are independent contractors...keeps this stuff from happening.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 46):
Very true, which is why FedEx Ground isn't the forefront of the company. They still have a lot of kinks in the system to work out. But, Ground made the system the way it is to prevent exactly this...strikes. That's why the employees are independent contractors...keeps this stuff from happening.

FedEx Ground's reliability suffers from this though. UPS has the advantage of being entirely company owned and the standardization that goes along with it.

I've had FedEx employees tell me to steer clear of Ground, so it must not be good. At home, I usually don't get FedEx Ground/Home delivered packages until 8PM so I'd rather stick with my company, UPS.
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 47):
FedEx Ground's reliability suffers from this though. UPS has the advantage of being entirely company owned and the standardization that goes along with it.

You're exactly right, which is why Ground isn't going to be the forefront of the FedEx corporation anytime soon. The independent contractor bit makes it extremely difficult to operate the daily tasks and the paperwork is unreal. But, it prevents them from ganging up together and walking off the job.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 47):
I've had FedEx employees tell me to steer clear of Ground, so it must not be good.

Haha, I've actually told people this since I first worked for FedEx several years ago! The system is working itself into something better, but it will take some time. The tracking system, because of the complexity of the contractors, doesn't work as efficiently because a lot of the information sent to the system is based on what those contractors enter themselves...very susceptable to error. Then, the quality of the transportation is not the best either. There are a lot of mishaps with damaged packages because of the lack of supervision over those who load/unload them and the system that holds everything in place during transit. Because of this, I have always said that if you're looking for a great price, go Ground...but make sure you declare the value of it and pay the extra $1 or so for insurance. Otherwise, you're risking losing it altogether. Altogether, even while I worked there, if someone needed something delivered on time and in good condition, I always told people to ship it via air with FedEx Express or USPS.

But, like I said, its still a fairly new aspect of FedEx compared to UPS and will work itself eventually. Its just hard going through these 'adolescent' years when your package is the one that doesn't make it.  Big grin
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RE: UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:21 pm

I decided to stop using UPS when they striked last.