thomasphoto60
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Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:38 am

Looking at some pics taken from MSY, I came across this oddball carrier, Northeastern International Airways. From the pics that I have seen in the DB, they were a shortlived carrier, that despite their name, seemed to be a much more common site on the SAN/MSY/MIA-MCO sector.


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Very clever livery on their 721s


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Anyone have any info on the history of this airline? I was living abroad when this carrier was operating thus, I know nothing about it.

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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:41 am

Like Denny's, they served PIE....ha ha
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:10 am

Northeastern International Airways was founded by Northeastern Travel back in 1979, but it was a "paper airline".

On February 11, 1982, NIA began glying between Islip and Fort Lauderdale with 2 DC-8-50s (leased from Evergreen). Very fast they introduced service to Hartford, Baltimore, Miami, Orlando and St Petersburg. After the purchise of four ex Pan Am B727-100s in 1983 they started service to New Orleans Kansas City, Las Vegas and San Diego.

NIA was at that time the fastest growing start-up-carrier.

In 1984 they swiched the DC-8-50s to serveral DC-8-62s and they adding two B727-200 and a pair of leased (LH) A300 B4s (used on the routes out of New York to Florida).

With the DC-8 they also fly to Europe.

After Sir Freddie Laker join NIA they also want to take over Air Florida... and they want also lease ten Braniff B727s for the wintersaison.

NIA filed for Chapter 11 on January 8, 1985 and they stopped all flights on March 4, 1985. Only for a short time the resumed flights (Islip-Philadelphia-Fort Lauderdale) on June 21, 1985 with a leased United B727-200 and later with leased All Star DC-9s. Service were suspended for a second time on November 5, 1985.

The airline was liquidated in 1986.
 
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:57 am

To add to Viasa's very good description (except there was never service to Europe) at it's peak in 1984 this was the QS Fleet
4 A-300-B2 1C all ex LH
3 DC-8-62 1 ex UAL, 1 ex JAL, 1 ex SAS
4 727-200 2 ex Vasp, 1 ex MX, 1 ex Western
5 727-100 4 ex Pan Am and 1 ex NAL/Pan AM
At the peak in 1984 QS served the following cities
BOS, BDL, JFK, ISP, MIA, FLL, PBI, MCO, PIE, MSY. LIT, MCI. TUL, OKC, LAS, LAX, SAN.
PHL was served briefly in 1985 as Viasa stated earlier.

The main downfall of this carrier was a combination of trying to compete in to many markets against the majors after starting out in just underserved markets like ISP. Also the founder Stephen Quinto, (hence the airline code QS) was CEO, President, Owner, Primary Stockholder did not want to take the airline public and also refused outside investment. Many $millions of dollars where availbable but S.Q. did want others telling him how to run his airline, he preferred failure which was a shame for the very dedicated work force my self included.

I hope this helps a little, I believe there are photo's of every aircraft QS operated on this db
many of which where in hybrid schemes, it was a very colorful airline.

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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:06 am

I flew on Northeastern before - from FLL-ISP-BOS - and back. They also flew out of PBI briefly, from the terminal on the SE side of the airport - away from the main terminal - which now is near where Trump parks his 727. I also flew the DC-8 from ISP-FLL once and the air conditioning was not working, so the plane was sweltering.

They were a decent airline - with service to SAN, MSY, BOS, ISP, FLL and PBI, as well as MIA.

I remember the blue/clouds 727 had a landing gear malfunction at MIA one time.

I just picked up one of their timetables off of EBay - but it is at home. I'll add more information later if you'd like.
 
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:31 am

Hi All:

I was a load planner/Ops agent at LAX in 1984 for QS, Our station saw mainly the A300, D-AIAD and F-ODRD for the LAX-MSY-FLL legs.....D-AIAD was still painted in LH livery with a Northeastern Sticker on either side of the fuselage, the interior still had LH seats with the QS high density confiruration.

Every now and then we did get the DC-8, OY-KTE and on a rare occasion we saw PUFF and/or ROSIE which are the 2 727s painted with clouds on them.

LAX was a fun place to work, the airline itself had a great product but I think we tried to expand too fast in markets that were already saturated.

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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:32 am

I read somewhere that the A300 fligths to LAX had good food. Big salads with turkey and ham and chocolate pudding. Does that ring-a-bell LGA777 and Capitol8s? Also, did QS ever serve MDW and HOU? Were they MSY's dominant carrier?
 
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 4):
I just picked up one of their timetables off of EBay - but it is at home. I'll add more information later if you'd like

Will you please post the schedule for ISP?


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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:35 am

There were no flights to/from MDW unless there was a charter which would have been on a 727 as the DC8 and the A300 were too large for MDW.
I know there was no scheduled service into MDW.

As far as the meal service goes I do remember a basket with cold chicken which alternated with a large salad.
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:25 am

Actually I do remember brief service to MDW with the 72S I believe to FLL and PIE. I remember because of the bad weight restrictions, the 72S's had different capacities, the two former Vasp birds, PP-SNE and SNF, (nicknamed Snee and Sniff) held 172, and I can remember weight restrictions of 172 pax and zero bags.

And I agree with Capitiol8's on the food service, it was cold and in a basket and quite tasty, a big improvement over what today's LCC's serve. There was always some kind of mint, often a Butterscotch handed to each passenger as they deplaned

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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:34 am

ok, I admit it, we were somewhat isolated at LAX and probably clueless as to the goings on with the rest of the company. if LGA777 says we had service then we had service.

I think we had somewhat of National Airlines kind of route system with a hub at MSY instead of IAH.
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:51 am

I agree I always thought it looked like National's route structure too. I wonder what the reasoning was for MCI, TUL, and LIT to MSY though? What kind of loads did those flights get? Were most of the LAX flights full? Does anyone have a list of the fleet with the nicknames to coincide?
 
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:29 am

There was a big reason the QS route map resembled National's. The Mgr of Schedule Planning at QS had held the same job at NAL. Since NAL was based at MIA and was merged into Pan Am in 1980 and QS was formed in 1982 and the HDQ was in FLL we where fortunate to get lots of former National talent no longer needed by Pan Am who had their own HDQ staff in New York. Also NAL had their own little mini terminal (only three gates, though two where wide-body and the third could accommodate the DC-8-62) and QS acquired this and was just the perfect size for our operation. It was located at about the site of the current DL terminal

To answer Cody's question MCI/LIT/OKC and TUL had good loads because like NAL these station had multi leg flights. For example Flts 145-146 operated PBI-MCO-MSY-OKC-TUL and return. When I was in OKC we might of had trouble filling a 727 to MSY. But since about half the plane boarded in TUL, and the flight went to MSY and onto MCO and PBI plus in MSY it connected with another 727 operating MCI-LIT-MSY-PIE-FLL and guess what, we where almost always full out of OKC and sometimes we even got a DC-8-62 and guess what, we filled that as well. If QS had stuck to this formula and not attacked the majors between MIA-FLL-PBI-MCO and JFK with our 314 seat A-300's and 89$ fares then QS would have probably lasted a lot longer !

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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:34 am

Cody, I do not have time tonite, but I will post sometime tomorrow a fleet list with the nicknames. Not the entire fleet had nicknames, though many did and they where cool. and a few varied by who you talked to, LGA777 is signing off for tonite, to be continued.
 
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:55 am

Thanks for the QS history lesson guys. Too bad these guys did not survive, it would have been a treat to spot those unique cloud liveried a/c at various US airports. Before the collapse, were there plans to paint the remaining fleet in that style?

Thomas
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:19 pm

Northeastern International was a flash in the pan.

From New Orleans they flew to Florida and New York.

They paid about $6 an hour to their ground personnel. It showed.

And they flew some VERY old aircraft.
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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:57 am

Thomasphoto60, glad you started this thread. The two 727's with the cloud liveries where two of a kind, there where no plans to add more, in fact the scheme the last two A-300's where in, shown here


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was to be the new standard scheme for the entire fleet.

727-21's N329QS and N355QS where actually repainted
in that scheme but there are no photo's on here of that, they looked
great and 727-247 N2808W got the new tail logo but that is as far as it got before the end.

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RE: Norhteastern Int'l Airways.....?

Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:58 pm

There is a photo of one ofthe 727-100's painted in the new "Airbus" scheme at www.auctiontransportation.com. Search under "northeastern."

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