Longhornmaniac
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757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:04 pm

What exactly is the relationship between these two aircraft. They are strikingly similar in both outside appearance and the nerve center. It seems like they are targeting the same audience, but do they have anything more in common from a technical standpoint?

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RE: 757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:15 pm

Yer, they both have the same engines.

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RE: 757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:10 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 1):
Yer, they both have the same engines.

Only partly true.

The Tu-204-100 is certified to Russian standards and is fitted with PS-90A engines. I'm not really sure how good this plane is because you see a lot of them stored in Russia.

The Tu-204-120 is the version fitted with RB211s, and is certified to European standards. I think Air Cairo is the only airline to have ordered this version.

The Tu-204-300 is a shrink version offered with improved range, but only the PS-90A engines.

The Tu-214 (sometimes called the 204-200), while having the same dimensions as the 204-100, is higher gross weight and is available in a cargo version as well. The 214 looks as though it's currently only available with the PS-90A engines.

While the 204/214 is a nice looking plane (I haven't had the chance to fly on one yet), like most modern Russian types, it has only sold in small numbers (still less than 50 total production I believe). A small order for China and about three more for Russian airlines seems to be the only outstanding orders.

For more information, see Tupolev's website at:
http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=29
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RE: 757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:37 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):
The Tu-204-120 is the version fitted with RB211s, and is certified to European standards

As far as I know the Tu-204 hasn't yet achieved European certification.
 
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RE: 757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:50 pm

But the Tu-204 can still be acquired new, the B-757 can't.

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RE: 757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:16 pm

Quoting Backfire (Reply 3):
As far as I know the Tu-204 hasn't yet achieved European certification.

Tupolev's website 'suggests' it is. It's operated by Air Cairo who have at least one plane in TNT colours flying in Europe.

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RE: 757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:12 pm

How does the Tu-204 compare to the 757 on performance? I know if fitted with RB211's, the engines would be exactly the same, but how about range etc? The 757 was such a versatile a/c, especially for UK charter operators who could deploy them on European routes one day and send them to SFB the next. With the 757 being out of production now, and the demand for 757's increasing with operators like CO now taking full advantage of the 757's capabilities and sending them on Transatlantic sorties, could the 204 plug that gap now left in the market, or could Tupolev develop a varient that could compete? Im sure if the price was right and Boeing couldn't offer a suitable alternative, airlines would give them a serious look.
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RE: 757 And TU204

Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:47 pm

I really think this aircraft has a lot of potential in the 757 sized market. The problem is the stigma attached to Russian airliners.
It's great to see Tupolev creating more modern planes to European standards........hope they crack into the Boeing/Airbus market in the near future.
 
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RE: 757 And TU204

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:09 am

Well I used to work for a company that employed the TU-204 in Europe, and indeed it still does. Operationally, a very reliable aircraft (there were two operating, both for TNT, SU-EAG and EAJ). As i remember, they both went tech only once in about 7 months! Not bad for a ruskie aircraft!!

As far as range etc, technical stuff isn't really my sortie but I understand they are very similar, if not a little better than the 757. The winglets DO make a difference on fuel useage.

Hope that helps,

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