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SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:44 pm

As the title says, SpiceJet are negotiating to buy 5 B737-900ERs with an option on another 5. This appears to be in addition to the 10 firm 738s already ordered plus the other 10 738s they recently exercised options on.

SpiceJet is in talks to buy five of Boeing's 737-900ER
aircraft, said Dinesh Keskar, a Boeing vice president. New
Delhi-based SpiceJet is also discussing an option for five more
planes, Keskar said in a phone interview Sept. 2.


Source: Bloomberg news

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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:47 pm

I say: keep 'em coming! I think the 739ER will be a great asset to airlines. Here's hoping that Euro carriers are in talks with Boeing to add a few...
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:26 pm

Wasn't DJ and QF both keen on the B739ER a while ago?
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:07 pm

Well, this is news, I'm surprised none of the Indian papers have carried it as yet, however Mark Winders the CEO of SpiceJet had told me (and several other reporters) that the airline always wanted to be a single-type operator. I really wonder where they will deploy the 739ER? Maybe international?
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:39 pm

Spicejet probably wants to have a head-start over Jet Airways, which has also been rumored to be very interested in the 739ER. Hope this materializes, the 739ER is a great plane, but currently it still lacks the orders.
 
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:06 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 3):
I really wonder where they will deploy the 739ER? Maybe international?

For a low cost model like theirs? Possible tho, hehehehe should be interesting nevertheless.
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:36 am

The 739ER still lacks orders??? I thought Lion Air (the launch customer) bought quite a few of them.
 
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:55 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
The 739ER still lacks orders??? I thought Lion Air (the launch customer) bought quite a few of them.

But that's just one customer. Besides, when compared to the a321 it really lacks in orders. Boeing was a bit short-sighted when devolping the 900. Why didn't they make the 900 with the two bigger emergency exit doors from the beginning?
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:32 am

What are the new features/benefits of the 739ER?
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
What are the new features/benefits of the 739ER?

Because of bigger emergency exit doors, they are allowed to carry 220pax instead of 189 pax (IIRC)

They previously only had 4 small (type A I believe) emergency exit doors over the wings. These will be replaced with 2 bigger doors in front of the wing and 2 bigger doors behind the wings. Also IIRC the blended winglets will be standard.
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 7):
But that's just one customer. Besides, when compared to the a321 it really lacks in orders. Boeing was a bit short-sighted when devolping the 900. Why didn't they make the 900 with the two bigger emergency exit doors from the beginning?

Given that the A321 was launched in November 1989 while the 737-900ER was launched in July 2005, this shouldn't be surprising. Several additional orders are rumored to be pending, including Jet.

The original -900 was intended for relatively short-range routes operated by two-class carriers like Alaska, KLM, Continental, and Korean who didn't need the additional range or high-density cabin. Boeing is apparently seeing more demand from LCCs who want more seating and legacy carriers who want more range, so they launched the -900ER. It's been in the works for several years now, so I assume Boeing could have launched it earlier if the airlines wanted it.



Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
What are the new features/benefits of the 739ER?

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/media_kit/ has a lot of good information on the 737-900ER.

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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:33 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 9):
They previously only had 4 small (type A I believe) emergency exit doors over the wings. These will be replaced with 2 bigger doors in front of the wing and 2 bigger doors behind the wings. Also IIRC the blended winglets will be standard.

The 739ER retains the four Type III o/w exits that the 739 has plus gets two more Type II exits aft of the wing. Type I doors are the entrance/service doors found on all 737s, front and rear cabin. No extra doors just ahead of the wings...

Type A doors are the wide entrance/service doors found on widebody airliners, I think...  Smile
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:28 pm

Why have B738 & B739ERs in the same fleet.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 3):
I really wonder where they will deploy the 739ER? Maybe international

They'll have to wait a few more yrs unless things change.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
What are the new features/benefits of the 739ER

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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:54 pm

Well, my point is that they'll only have to wait four more years to get permission to fly international. With Boeing 737 deliveries backed up till till late-07 by the time they get the planes they could well be preparing for international. Plus, while rules might not change for intercontinental travel - making Vijay Mallaya's plans a bit tougher to operate (I hear that he might run into FAA/DOT rough weather on his US airline plans) rules could well get relaxed for flights to south-east Asia in a quid-pro-quo sort of basis. So in a few years, actually less you could have airlines like SpiceJet flying to BKK, HKT, KUL, SIN etc.
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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:07 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 3):
I really wonder where they will deploy the 739ER?

In the same interview Mr Dinesh Keskar of Boeing states that the airplanes are to be used for domestic routes to increase capacity.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Wasn't DJ and QF both keen on the B739ER a while ago

Correct though QF mainline seem to be staying with the 738 so I wouldn't count on them. DJ have options on the 737 series including the 900 at advantageous prices. However given the ownership battle over them I'd assume they're not in a position to do anything at this stage.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
the 739ER is a great plane, but currently it still lacks the orders

S.A.L.E & JAL have both ordered 737NGs recently and both have options on the model. Just after launch of the 739ER Boeing stated that most orders placed over the last year enabled the operator the right to convert existing orders to the 739ER model if they desired. Given the sales success of the 737NG this year it would not suprise me if we see a few more carriers convert existing 738 orders to the 739ER model over coming months.

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RE: SpiceJet Negotiating B737-900ER Order

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:37 pm

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 10):
Given that the A321 was launched in November 1989 while the 737-900ER was launched in July 2005, this shouldn't be surprising. Several additional orders are rumored to be pending, including Jet.

I know that, but what I meant was that Boeing should have had the foresight that airbus apparantly did have, and certify the plane for 220 (or whatever the number) pax. It has paid off well for Airbus with 446 confirmed orders (and a couple to be confirmed), while the 900 after the initial sales to AS, KL, CO and KE there was nothing. I would have thought that they had learned by now never to develop a derivative with just a few customers in mind. I mean, 55 sales in 8 years (the 900 is in service since 1997 I believe, anyway the AS order was in 1997) is nothing to write home about. Kinda like the 764.
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