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Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:38 am

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...10000102&sid=acBbsIh3kghE&refer=uk

The number of people flying with Ryanair in August rose 27 percent to 3.26 million travelers from 2.57 million passengers a year earlier.

London-based British Airways flew 3.1 million passengers last month, a 3.9 percent decline, after a strike Aug. 11-12 halted 700 flights, stranding 100,000 travelers.
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:14 am

MOL said they would carry more passengers than BA even before BA where dragged into the GG dispute.

I don't see the big deal when FR only fly short haul flights IMHO it's only marketing spin.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:50 am

I would assume the report to be accurate, so that would make the information a fact,and therefore not marketing spin.

Way to go FR. Long may it continue.
 
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:14 am

Personally, I think this is a useless fact. You really can't compare passenger numbers with FR and BA, due to their different styles. BA is an international airline, meaning that a good amount of their flights are long-haul. Who do you think is going to carry more, a 777 that carries 250 people one day one flight, or a 737 that carriers 130 people fives times throughout the day? This is similar to what has happened in the US with WN. The facts are deceiving. I am not trying to take anything away from FR, but if you are a FR fan, don't get a big head, while if you are a BA fan, don't get down.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 1):
I don't see the big deal when FR only fly short haul flights IMHO it's only marketing spin.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 2):
I would assume the report to be accurate, so that would make the information a fact,and therefore not marketing spin.

Way to go FR. Long may it continue.

I wasn't disputing the accuarcy it just isn't comparing like for like as BA have a massive global route network and FR has a short haul route network.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 5):
I wasn't disputing the accuarcy it just isn't comparing like for like as BA have a massive global route network and FR has a short haul route network.



Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3):
You really can't compare passenger numbers with FR and BA, due to their different styles. BA is an international airline, meaning that a good amount of their flights are long-haul. Who do you think is going to carry more, a 777 that carries 250 people one day one flight, or a 737 that carriers 130 people fives times throughout the day.

I do not disagree with either of the above posts.
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3):
The facts are deceiving.

How? A fact is what it is. Any "deception" is in the mind of the interpreter.

This fact is extremely interesting. When the statement was made, many people said it was unthinkable and laughed at Mr. O'Leary.

Well, it isn't "unthinkable" anymore, and I hope they're not laughing.

To ignore it or to claim that it is irrelevant, or "marketing spin", is to underestimate or discount what is going on, just as the US legacy carriers underestimated the power of the LCC movement in the US.

I mean, gosh, if people at US Airways had believed Mr. Siegel, instead of fighting him, things might have been different - although it was probably too late by then.

I think you can bet that BA isn't ignoring it. Or Virgin Atlantic, for that matter.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
I think you can bet that BA isn't ignoring it. Or Virgin Atlantic, for that matter.

I don't think there is a single route that VS and FR even remotely compete on. Unlike BA, where the competition from all LCC's is prominent.
 
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:55 am

Well how many bases has Ryanair? A lot and many of them are outside of the UK. So the comparaison is not accurate. Well I don't care if Ryanair carries more passengers than BA. Is that going to turn me away from BA, surely not...
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:59 am

Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 8):
Unlike BA, where the competition from all LCC's is prominent.

It isn't a question - for VS - of the competition. It is a part of the picture of what is happening in the UK/EU civil aviation market.

It is essential, in business, to be aware of what the competition is doing.

Virgin may not compete with Ryanair, but British Midland does. Virgin has an arrangement with British Midland and there are many rumors that Virgin is considering buying British Midland.

I have no idea if the rumors are true, I have no idea what is in SRB's mind. But the little piece of information we are discussing is a part - however big or small - of the picture.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:01 am

Even though the numbers speak for them self, we should not be comparing a mainline airline to a LCC. Its just two very different markets.

The more correct thing would be to compare Easyjet to Ryanair.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
It is essential, in business, to be aware of what the competition is doing

They are probably well aware of this situation, but it has very little impact on the VS business(at the moment).

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
Virgin has an arrangement with British Midland and there are many rumors that Virgin is considering buying British Midland.

You learn something new everytime you log on to A.net.

Does anyone one think that in the future, there will be airlines for longhaul and other airlines for shorthaul (e.g.. VS and FR), with full service shorthaul airlines a very small percentage of the industry?
 
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 11):
The more correct thing would be to compare Easyjet to Ryanair.

Could anyone come up with a league table for pax numbers for worldwide LCC's?. I would like to know which are the top 10 in the world.
 
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:24 am

Ryanair probably 'fed' more passengers in August than BA too!!

Come on BA, some of us are only loyal to you for the in-flight service, bar trolley and food cart. Dont let this happen again or we all might as well fly Ryanair!
 
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:48 am

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:05 am

Before I start, I'm not a Ryanair Fan, and never fly them.

However, Ryanair were Europes third largest airline in August, after Lufthansa and AirFrance/KLM. Next year, or 2007 they will be europes biggest airline.

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 1):
I don't see the big deal when FR only fly short haul flights

What difference does this make. Ryanair had more bums on seats.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3):
You really can't compare passenger numbers with FR and BA

Passengers are passengers. If bloomberg sees an interest in reporting it, it must be important.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3):
facts are deceiving

Isn't that a contradiction?

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
many people said it was unthinkable

True.. Me included. Many people are eating humble pie.

Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 8):
I don't think there is a single route that VS and FR even remotely compete on

FR and VS compete for passengers . Will I go to Orlando this year on holidays, or go to Jerez instead?

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
So the comparaison is not accurate.

Why not? FR carried more passengers.
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In Augus

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:19 am

Michael O'Leary may have shit himself in the foot, in the press annoucement he made today he also said (as quoted from Ryanair website):

"...Ryanair's passenger volumes are growing rapidly thanks to new destinations, lowest ever fares, industry leading punctuality and customer service and Ryanair's guarantee of NO fuel surcharges, not today, not tomorrow, not ever. BA keep turning passengers away with fuel surcharge after fuel surcharge, high fares, poor punctuality, flight cancellations and no catering. At least on Ryanair, customers can buy a sandwich with £100 they have saved over BA's high fares..."

I remember him saying previously a few months ago how Ryanair could afford to offer fares at the current rate provided oil did not exceed $75 per barrell. With oil prices at an all time high the press are saying $100 a barrell could be a reality in the not too distant future.

Now MOL has committed himself to never creating a surcharge for fuel.

They have a Wheel Chair levy when booking flights so I am sure they can rebrand a fuel levy as something else with some made up name and blame this fake surcharge on the airport authorities or EC.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
Why not? FR carried more passengers.

As you know BestWestern, RPKs are a more reasonable representation of an airline's production than outright passenger numbers. I suspect that BA is still WAY ahead in terms of RPKs.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 17):
Now MOL has committed himself to never creating a surcharge for fuel.

Big deal... Its all typical O'Leary spin. Without published fares and publicly exposed fare buckets, Ryanair can just charge more without even mentioning the word surcharge, and everyone will just assume when they pay slightly more than they did last time that the flight is fuller at the time they booked.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 17):
Michael O'Leary may have shit himself in the foot,

That's really not a pretty mental picture.  Smile

Quoting Skymonster (Reply 18):
I suspect that BA is still WAY ahead in terms of RPKs.

That may be true, but that isn't what the linked article says.

It says that in August, Ryanair carried more passengers than BA.

It doesn't say that Ryanair is bigger or smaller than BA. It doesn't say that Ryanair made more or less money than BA. It doesn't say if passenger satisfaction rates for Ryanair were greater or less than BA. It doesn't compare short haul and long haul, it doesn't compare service standards, it doesn't compare costs or fuel surcharges.

It says what it says.

That one fact is, in itself, remarkable, but it is only one fact.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3):
Personally, I think this is a useless fact. You really can't compare passenger numbers with FR and BA, due to their different styles. BA is an international airline, meaning that a good amount of their flights are long-haul. Who do you think is going to carry more, a 777 that carries 250 people one day one flight, or a 737 that carriers 130 people fives times throughout the day? This is similar to what has happened in the US with WN. The facts are deceiving. I am not trying to take anything away from FR, but if you are a FR fan, don't get a big head, while if you are a BA fan, don't get down.

I Agree! ! Keep in mind that these are diffrent markets.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
However, Ryanair were Europes third largest airline in August, after Lufthansa and AirFrance/KLM. Next year, or 2007 they will be europes biggest airline.

Are we talking about aircraft? Or Pax? or Both? Profits?

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 14):
Come on BA, some of us are only loyal to you for the in-flight service, bar trolley and food cart. Dont let this happen again or we all might as well fly Ryanair!

Don't know about you but I would take BA over FR anyda, service, aircraft, and well in flight services as well. . . YEhh!

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
Virgin may not compete with Ryanair, but British Midland does. Virgin has an arrangement with British Midland and there are many rumors that Virgin is considering buying British Midland.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought this rumor was found to be not true. Although can you imagine? Do you suppose that if Virgin would buy BMI would they merge the aircraft to the Virgin Atlantic Family or Virgin Express, or keep the name BMI?
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 20):
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought this rumor was found to be not true.

As I said before, I've no idea.

But it is true that there are rumors of the buyout, on this website, as recently as a couple of weeks ago.

Since Virgin code shares with British Midland on some routes, what happens with British Midland is of some interest to Virgin.

Will Virgin buy British Midland? Maybe, but I doubt it. SRB has made it clear that he enjoys starting things, not buying other people's messes to fix up.

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:00 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
Quoting Egmcman (Reply 1):
I don't see the big deal when FR only fly short haul flights

What difference does this make. Ryanair had more bums on seats

They compete on very different markets.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3):
You really can't compare passenger numbers with FR and BA

Passengers are passengers. If bloomberg sees an interest in reporting it, it must be important

It was a fact from Ryanair's report as it was on ceefax also.

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Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:28 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 14):
Ryanair probably 'fed' more passengers in August than BA too!!

Come on BA, some of us are only loyal to you for the in-flight service, bar trolley and food cart. Dont let this happen again or we all might as well fly Ryanair!

As true as this may be Orion, I really wish you'd change the record Big grin

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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:15 pm

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 22):
They compete on very different markets.

Try telling that to BA. They see their short haul profits being constantly eroded by Ryanair.

Ryanair are now probably the largest intra-european airline, and shortly to be the largest european carrier in terms of passengers carried, % profit margin and total profits. In terms of RPK's LH, BA and KL/AF are still ahead.

What does this mean in terms of O'Leary being able to abuse his position of strength to kick other carriers off routes?
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:47 am

Whoops!!

And all I thought it said was Ryanair flew more passengers than BA! Guess I must have misunderstood the meaning?!!!

Even when it's a clear and precise statement from Ryanair there are those of you who just won't give up! I wonder what will happen when Ryanair carries 1.25 times more than BA - even with Willie Walsh on board!!!!!

If I were a BA shareholder I would be fairly peeved - with all the available assets at BA versus Ryanair the investment return must be bloody awful! Just a thought!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:00 am

The fact that BA has the entire world to recruit passengers and Ryanair only has Europe but carries more passengers than BA I find rather enbarrasing.

Time BA went back to the drawing board and thought about what it is doing wrong.

BA isn't helping itself when it advertises "cheap fares" but when you try and find one they bung on £50 in taxes. These are on the same routes where Esayjet charges only £10 in tax. What the heck is going on?
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting Irishjohn (Reply 25):
If I were a BA shareholder I would be fairly peeved - with all the available assets at BA versus Ryanair the investment return must be bloody awful! Just a thought!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hang on Irishjohn, as far as I know BA shareholders are doing just fine and getting their dividends as normal. I believe FR has never paid a bean to shareholders.
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 27):
getting their dividends as normal

Since when . . . there haven't been any BA dividends for years . . .
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 24):
Try telling that to BA. They see their short haul profits being constantly eroded by Ryanair.

Ryanair are now probably the largest intra-european airline, and shortly to be the largest european carrier in terms of passengers carried, % profit margin and total profits. In terms of RPK's LH, BA and KL/AF are still ahead.

What does this mean in terms of O'Leary being able to abuse his position of strength to kick other carriers off routes?

As by and large the FR network could be described as opportunistically named they don't operate on many of the same routes as such. U2 operate to many of same destinations as BA they are the main threat IMHO. I don't totally disagree with what you state.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 26):
BA isn't helping itself when it advertises "cheap fares" but when you try and find one they bung on £50 in taxes. These are on the same routes where Esayjet charges only £10 in tax. What the heck is going on?

BA should be more transparent on their web site fairs for the reasons you state.

Quoting Irishjohn (Reply 25):
If I were a BA shareholder I would be fairly peeved - with all the available assets at BA versus Ryanair the investment return must be bloody awful! Just a thought!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's there old nick name from when their aircraft had BA titles not British Airways in the late 1970's I believe. Majority of BA's share holders are individuals and financial institutions outside the UK.

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Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 29):
Majority of BA's share holders are individuals and financial institutions outside the UK.

According to BA's Annual Report and Accounts, 13.02% of the share capital is owned by individuals and 83.75% by bank or nominee companies. The percentage of individual shareholders is quoted at 98.08%.

BA has to be strict about the nationality of its shareholders. To remain "British" and to comply with the company's articles, the right to operate is conditional on the company being to a degree owned or controlled by UK nationals or by nationals of 'Member States'. If an individual buys BA shares, s/he must sign a Nationality Declaration confirming that s/he is a UK National before being accepted on the Company's Register. This rule is to avoid BA falling into foreign ownership.
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting Babybus (Reply 26):
The fact that BA has the entire world to recruit passengers and Ryanair only has Europe but carries more passengers than BA I find rather enbarrasing.

Time BA went back to the drawing board and thought about what it is doing wrong.

BA's already tried the 'biggest is best' approach and decided against it.By all accounts it was the right course to take!
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3):
Personally, I think this is a useless fact. You really can't compare passenger numbers with FR and BA, due to their different styles. BA is an international airline, meaning that a good amount of their flights are long-haul. Who do you think is going to carry more, a 777 that carries 250 people one day one flight, or a 737 that carriers 130 people fives times throughout the day? This is similar to what has happened in the US with WN. The facts are deceiving. I am not trying to take anything away from FR, but if you are a FR fan, don't get a big head, while if you are a BA fan, don't get down.

Does anyone have RPM comparative data on these two airlines?
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 28):
Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 27):
getting their dividends as normal

Since when . . . there haven't been any BA dividends for years . . .

I'm sorry, I must've misread their website... from ba.com "our employees motivated and achieving a good work life balance pays dividends in improved morale and productivity"  Wink
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting Ncfc99 (Reply 13):
Could anyone come up with a league table for pax numbers for worldwide LCC's?. I would like to know which are the top 10 in the world.

From ATW July 2005 (although figures are 2004): (in million pax)
1. Southwest 81,2
2. Ryanair 26,6
3. EasyJet 22,3
4. Am. West 21,1
5. AirTran 13,2
6. JetBlue 11,7
7. Air Berlin 11,3
8. ATA 10,3
9. Virg. Blue 9,5
10. GOL 9,2

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 24):
Ryanair are now probably the largest intra-european airline, and shortly to be the largest european carrier in terms of passengers carried, % profit margin and total profits. In terms of RPK's LH, BA and KL/AF are still ahead.

Ryanair ranks as follows:
(Same source as above, 2004 figs)
Operating revenue: not in top 25 worldwide. LH is 1st, AFKL 2nd, BA 8th.
Operating profit: 14th worldwide, 4th in Europe
Net profit: 10th worldwide, 4th in Europe
RPK: not in top 25. AFKL 3rd, BA 6th, LH 8th
Pax: 17th worldwide, in Europe 6th.
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:21 am

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 29):
when their aircraft had BA titles not British Airways in the late 1970's I believe

Not correct. The first BA aircraft were painted in September 1973. They had
'British airways' titles. In 1981 BA introduced the same livery as 1973 but with larger 'British' titles. Then came the Landor livery in 1984 with 'British Airways' titles but in large and small capitals (not upper and lower case). Finally today's 'BRITISH AIRWAYS' titles were launched with World Images in 1997.

BEA? Yes.

BOAC? Yes.

BA? Never.
 
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 30):
According to BA's Annual Report and Accounts, 13.02% of the share capital is owned by individuals and 83.75% by bank or nominee companies. The percentage of individual shareholders is quoted at 98.08%.

BA has to be strict about the nationality of its shareholders. To remain "British" and to comply with the company's articles, the right to operate is conditional on the company being to a degree owned or controlled by UK nationals or by nationals of 'Member States'. If an individual buys BA shares, s/he must sign a Nationality Declaration confirming that s/he is a UK National before being accepted on the Company's Register. This rule is to avoid BA falling into foreign ownership.

Thanks for that.
 
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 35):
Quoting Egmcman (Reply 29):
when their aircraft had BA titles not British Airways in the late 1970's I believe

Not correct. The first BA aircraft were painted in September 1973. They had
'British airways' titles. In 1981 BA introduced the same livery as 1973 but with larger 'British' titles. Then came the Landor livery in 1984 with 'British Airways' titles but in large and small capitals (not upper and lower case). Finally today's 'BRITISH AIRWAYS' titles were launched with World Images in 1997.

BEA? Yes.

BOAC? Yes.

BA? Never.

I'm too young to know, but thanks for correcting me .
 
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:29 am

Hi

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 37):
I'm too young to know,

Not true, I never like to read - But I got given a book all about the history of British Airways, and it was really interesting! It tells you everything about it, and lots of photo's to show u the different titles and things! Interesting stuff.



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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:03 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 24):
What does this mean in terms of O'Leary being able to abuse his position of strength to kick other carriers off routes?

O'Leary deliberately only flies routes that aren't served by anyone else. If you want to go to Beauvais, fly FR. If you want to go to Paris, fly AF, BA, BD or U2.

So what if FR flies more passengers than BA - these are passengers that most probably would not have flown at all if FR wasn't operating. It's an entirely different market.

Easyjet on the other hand, pose a REAL threat to BA, AF etc - they actually fly business travellers where they need to go, not just weekend holiday home owners and drunken stag parties.
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RE: Ryanair Carry More Passengers Than BA In August

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:56 pm

BA said that its future lies in cooperations and take overs, so may be we will see BA flying again between Frankfurt and Paris and then it will be interesting to see passengers figures rise.
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