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NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:47 am

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_248143517.html

[Edited 2005-09-05 22:49:40]
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:54 am

Alright everyone get your Nomex on, the flamefest is about to begin. So how many posts until the AMFA boosters start laying on the propaganda.......

Perhaps the bus drivers ought to make a point and just play chicken with the AMFA picketers trying to block the road. Maybe it'll take one of them getting hit to realize that trying to block the road isn't such a smart idea. If you're going to express your hatred towards the workers that have replaced you because you have gone on strike, try something like throwing eggs or dirt clods at the buses. Vent your frustration that way......

[Edited 2005-09-05 22:55:08]
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:24 am

Just shows how low they'll go... losers
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:31 am

NWA does probably have a decent case.

In similar situation but outside the airline industry companies have sued striking unions alleging harassment and intimidation on several occasions.

Media reports of AMFA members driving going to hotels wearing bright red t-shirts with "scab hunters" written across them could likely be viewed as harassment.

From what I remember of previous cases even the appearance of groups of strikers outside of publicly authorized picket locations(remember you need a city/county permit to picket) has been found to be illegal forms of organized intimidation/harassment.

In the eyes, of the courts, while strikers do have a legal right to express themselves in authorized manner, the replacement workers have just as equal rights to be able to go to work without being in fear of possible hostile incidents.

AMFA needs to literally walk a fine line otherwise could be found liable for the actions of its members.
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:45 am

Well, without any idea what the text of the petition is, I'd have to say it looks like it's another chapter in the pissing contest between NWA and the mechanics' union.

I'm going to reserve judgment on this one until someone goes down to the courthouse and gets a copy of the petition and posts it somewhere. On the surface of it, though, it sounds like a nuisance suit of no particular value except as a pain in the arse.

There's a 20 day period for the defendant to respond and assert counterclaims....then still more days for discovery and so on....by which point either the union caves, the company caves, or the company files a bankruptcy petition...

If I had to take a guess, I'd say that the third alternative is the most likely one and it's going to happen soon. If that happens a lot of interesting things could happen, particularly to those whom the company owes money to, and those who have their property in the custody of the company. That includes unpaid wages for everyone and mechanics toolboxes.

I knew a few guys who worked for a commuter airline that went bust back in the eighties and when they came to work Monday am the place was padlocked with their tools inside....some of them had to wait six months to get their stuff out of the hangar.
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:39 am

I hope the union thugs can restrain themselves enough that the serious workers can work without fear of violence and that the passengers can fly without fear of being physically attacked by former workers.
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:27 am

"I hope the union thugs can restrain themselves enough that the serious workers can work without fear of violence and that the passengers can fly without fear of being physically attacked by former workers."

I think NW is being more thug-like in how it treats it's employee's and from what I have seen of the replacement "mechanics" I think the pax have more to fear from poor mtc then some picket line walkers getting a bit vocale.

A half way decent AMT can replace a 757 main tire in less then 1 hour, and that includes the time needed to gather up the tooling. We watched 4 SwissPort scabs take almost 4 hours to replace ONE 757 main tire.
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:44 am

Quoting DL1011 (Reply 6):
A half way decent AMT can replace a 757 main tire in less then 1 hour, and that includes the time needed to gather up the tooling. We watched 4 SwissPort scabs take almost 4 hours to replace ONE 757 main tire.

And that's with taking the time to inspect and repack the wheel bearings AND give the axle the once over AND have a cuppa joe AND have the inspector sign off on it....now, on the other hand if it's on the ramp in Minneapolis Saint Paul in the middle of a January howler complete with all the trimmings, I'd just as soon let the scabs do it.

Do y'know, that kind of weather can show you how to do eight hours worth of work in three hours? I'm here to tell you.

I used to work for an FBO in Michigan and one of the customers crashed on Beaver Island out in the lake...this was in the middle of December. So me and this other guy get all the TPE331 gearbox tooling (sudden stoppage inspection doncha know) and we head out in the boss's P-Baron for Charlevoix, then over to the island on a B-N Islander and there's the plane...one prop all bent to hell, out there in the snowstorm that had blown up while we were on our way upstate ....the stove was on in the airport shack but that was it....Do y'know I had that gearbox gutted out, inspected, put back together and had the torque sensing calibrated in three hours and that was an eight hour job? Of course my buddy helped mightily....what a day....we both looked at each other and said "No effing way are we spending the night on this island!"
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:58 am

Rumor from a few good sources at NWA have said that NWA will file for chapter 11 as soon as Wednesday.....we will see....
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:13 am

Hammer,

I'll bet you a $1000 that your sources aren't very good. They won't file...at least this week or next.
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:19 am

Quoting Alphascan (Reply 9):
I'll bet you a $1000 that your sources aren't very good.

I am not a betting man, I am just saying what I heard....don't kill the messenger, but hey, if it is true, I will still take the grand!!
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting DL1011 (Reply 6):
I think NW is being more thug-like in how it treats it's employee's and from what I have seen of the replacement "mechanics"

What a load of crap. Get over it AMFA. I think NWA should try to sue the pants off of AMFA, take them to court over anything, break their banks, and their spirits, and let them know, loud and clear, they are NEVER coming back to work at NWA.
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:20 pm

Quoting Squid (Reply 11):
What a load of crap. Get over it AMFA. I think NWA should try to sue the pants off of AMFA, take them to court over anything, break their banks, and their spirits, and let them know, loud and clear, they are NEVER coming back to work at NWA.

NWA has already broken AMFA, and AMFA's bank account is getting really low because of the strike...as far as them never going back, wait till the bankruptsy judge rules on what is what....
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:36 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
Alright everyone get your Nomex on, the flamefest is about to begin. So how many posts until the AMFA boosters start laying on the propaganda.......

Perhaps the bus drivers ought to make a point and just play chicken with the AMFA picketers trying to block the road. Maybe it'll take one of them getting hit to realize that trying to block the road isn't such a smart idea. If you're going to express your hatred towards the workers that have replaced you because you have gone on strike, try something like throwing eggs or dirt clods at the buses. Vent your frustration that way......

Now that is the best suggestion I have read in days. Run every one of them over. Then send the buses over to Boeing and run those striking fools over as well.
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:59 pm

FAA probes NW MTC.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/050906/airlines_northwest_wsj.html?.v=1

But hey, what do I know?
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:30 pm

What a bunch of losers. If you wanna fight, fight, but fight by the rules.
Those guys are becoming desperate.
They are not helped by their union management anyways.
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:13 pm

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 15):
If you wanna fight, fight, but fight by the rules.

Thats a fine and dandy declaration, but both sides have to abide by those rules. No disrespect intended, but I suspect that you have VERY limited knowledge of the events that led up to the walkout. It'd be kind of silly to think that NWA is adhering to some type of rules in the fight to take AMTs salaries down the tubes. Corporate America has proven time and time again that 'rules' and loyalty are things of the past.
I'm directly in tune with industry events (not at NWA though) and I'm well aware of how NWA invoked the Force Majeure clause to toss the terms of the contract aside, even when the rest of the industry had regained what was lost (in terms of pax count) to 9/11 days. Is that 'fighting by the rules?' Thats only one example, but it underscores the fact that corporations are entirely willing and more than happy to treat law and the court system to their advantage depending on what their agenda is for the day.
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 15):
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Reply 15, posted Tue Sep 6 2005 14:30:14 UTC+2 and read 75 times:


What a bunch of losers. If you wanna fight, fight, but fight by the rules.
Those guys are becoming desperate.
They are not helped by their union management anyways.

Hmmmmmmm....I thought this thread was about the lawsuit that nobody seems to know anything about....but it has descended into yet another anti union anti AMFA diatribe by all the usual suspects.

Get a grip people-stay on topic.

Nobody seems to be able to answer the central issue and that is how much AMFA members ought to give up so half of them can keep their jobs.

They decided it was too much. Like any other supplier to NWA they decided to withhold services until the issue is resolved. NWA is using strikebreakers and management to allegedly maintain the aircraft in the interim. AMFA doesn't like that. They're being aggressive. Whether it's within the law or not is yet to be decided. That's what the lawsuit may be about only not one of you has gone to the courthouse, gotten a copy of the petition and posted it somewhere.

I believe the membership voted on this right? So why is it so hard for people to understand that workers ought to be able to organize and bargain collectively, even if it turns out that their collective decision is the wrong one?

In essence, do you have a dog in this fight?

And expect that BK petition any day now...
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:26 pm

This is just history repeating it's self. If those coal miners around the turn of the century had just walked away and let the scabs take their jobs this country would be a lot worse off today. It is because of the actions of those union members that we have the work laws and safety laws we have today. AMFA is just doing the same thing. BTW if you read some history back then it was a whole lot bloodier. People were killed for crossing a strike line and companies hired thugs to break bats over strikers heads. It could be whole lot worse than some name calling and blocking busses in the street.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:30 pm

Things are staring to get really ugly; I mean does AMFA really want to take down NWA? If so why? NW has been one of the leading US major carriers despite their persistence on holding on to its rusty DC-10s and DC-9s....
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:39 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 7):
And that's with taking the time to inspect and repack the wheel bearings AND give the axle the once over AND have a cuppa joe AND have the inspector sign off on it....now, on the other hand if it's on the ramp in Minneapolis Saint Paul in the middle of a January howler complete with all the trimmings, I'd just as soon let the scabs do it.

Of course, it is ALL about the 'cuppa joe.' All unions care about is the length of their coffee breaks and their sick time and their vacation time. Prove me wrong. And if it IS wrong, then the unions ought to hire a whole avalanche of PR people to change that perception, because that's what EVERYONE thinks.
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 20):
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Reply 20, posted Tue Sep 6 2005 15:39:46 UTC+2 and read 48 times:


Quoting Dougloid (Reply 7):
And that's with taking the time to inspect and repack the wheel bearings AND give the axle the once over AND have a cuppa joe AND have the inspector sign off on it....now, on the other hand if it's on the ramp in Minneapolis Saint Paul in the middle of a January howler complete with all the trimmings, I'd just as soon let the scabs do it.

Of course, it is ALL about the 'cuppa joe.' All unions care about is the length of their coffee breaks and their sick time and their vacation time. Prove me wrong. And if it IS wrong, then the unions ought to hire a whole avalanche of PR people to change that perception, because that's what EVERYONE thinks.

I don't have to prove you wrong-you're the one advancing the proposition without any backing so maybe YOU oughtta start marshalling your facts because it's your burden to overcome.

By the way, what's your problem with coffee breaks, sick time or vacation time? Does your present employer not allow such things, or do you figure that jacking around at the water cooler does not count?
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 17):
Like any other supplier to NWA they decided to withhold services until the issue is resolved.

An excellent perspective. Should XYZ Catering Company keep delivering goods to an airline when that airline tells that company that it's only going to pay 75% of the price of those goods? If XYZ wants to remain a supplier, they'll concede a discount of course (concession). If they want to stay in business, there'll be a line which is eventually crossed whereby they'll refuse to deliver goods. It can't be any simpler than that.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 20):
because that's what EVERYONE thinks.

Sounds like a rather amateurish poll you took there. I'll find plenty of people who both dispute that AND care for the safety of your backside as you hurtle thru the skies at .84 mach. I won't pretend to be an expert at marketing/PR and you can return the favor to myself and my colleagues.
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:17 pm

Yay! AMFA is one step closer to dissolving! Union-Busting is working! Good for NWA, and good for all airlines who have unions pulling them down!
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 23):
and good for all airlines who have unions pulling them down!

Like WN, and 5X! Neither is turning a profit at all with their unions...
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 16):
Thats a fine and dandy declaration, but both sides have to abide by those rules. No disrespect intended, but I suspect that you have VERY limited knowledge of the events that led up to the walkout. It'd be kind of silly to think that NWA is adhering to some type of rules in the fight to take AMTs salaries down the tubes. Corporate America has proven time and time again that 'rules' and loyalty are things of the past.
I'm directly in tune with industry events (not at NWA though) and I'm well aware of how NWA invoked the Force Majeure clause to toss the terms of the contract aside, even when the rest of the industry had regained what was lost (in terms of pax count) to 9/11 days. Is that 'fighting by the rules?' Thats only one example, but it underscores the fact that corporations are entirely willing and more than happy to treat law and the court system to their advantage depending on what their agenda is for the day.

Listen this is clearly not the issue, your amount of knowledge against mine. You're an expert? I respect that, however I could not care less. The issue is, illegal actions by those guys should get the support of nobody. And Yes, it is being investigated. You are talking rules and loyalty? Think that union shows that as an example?

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 17):
They're being aggressive. Whether it's within the law or not is yet to be decided

In all cases, if confirmed, it should be denounced and in that case I expect maximum penalty for the culprits. And don't tell me this is regular behavior by unions as I know for sure it is not. Jeez union does not mean being above the Law.

This being said, I never forget we are all Aviation enthusiasts here and I respect everybody's opinions. But those guys... declared they wanted to screw NW and I cannot forget that.
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 22):
An excellent perspective. Should XYZ Catering Company keep delivering goods to an airline when that airline tells that company that it's only going to pay 75% of the price of those goods? If XYZ wants to remain a supplier, they'll concede a discount of course (concession). If they want to stay in business, there'll be a line which is eventually crossed whereby they'll refuse to deliver goods. It can't be any simpler than that.

I completely agree that XYZ has every right to refuse to provide goods in this situation if they so choose. I also completely agree that the AMFA mechs have every right to strike. (I think it's very poor thinking on their parts, but they do have the right and no one should be allowed to take that right away from them). However, that being said - I DON'T think that XYZ catering has the right to block catering trucks from a new catering provider or harass new catering employees. Nor do I think that AMFA mechanics have this right. I actually hope the best for all the striking mechanics who are abiding by the law. But for those who are breaking the law, I have no patience and I hope they will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

On another note, here's what I really don't get: All the pro-AMFA people on this board and the union itself keep talking about how awful the SCAB mechanics are and how planes are going to fall out of the sky and how NW will have only 2 working planes within the next month and how the FAA is about to put it's fist down on NW because the SCABS are jacking everything up, etc etc etc. If they really truly believe this garbage then why on earth the acts of lawlessness towards the SCABS? I'd think they'd be THRILLED to let the SCABS go to work and see NW get smacked by the FAA and have their planes falling apart. That would give them some serious bargaining power! I think the reason for the lawlessness is that they know in their hearts - despite their rhetoric - that things with the SCABS are smoothing out and are going to be just fine. And they're getting desperate. Like I alluded to, if I were the guy on strike and I really thought my replacement worker were screwing everything up, I'd probably give him a ride to work each morning! The quicker he jacks everything up, the quicker I have my job back!!
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:29 am

Ok...I certainly don't condone violence.

And true aviation professionals wouldn't "drive a scab to work". I don't want planes falling out of the sky. Thats why I'm a professional.
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 16):
I'm directly in tune with industry events (not at NWA though) and I'm well aware of how NWA invoked the Force Majeure clause to toss the terms of the contract aside, even when the rest of the industry had regained what was lost (in terms of pax count) to 9/11 days. Is that 'fighting by the rules?'

Since you are so in tune with industry events, next time you'll remember to factor yield into your argument. The industry has changed and its not going back until the industry can regain control of pricing power. And that process is, I'm sorry to say, going to cause a lot of pain for many in the industry.

By the way, the writing was on the wall prior to 9/11.
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 25):
This being said, I never forget we are all Aviation enthusiasts here and I respect everybody's opinions. But those guys... declared they wanted to screw NW and I cannot forget that.

Well, I'm sure that AMFA said something like that...but the company's best and final contract offer was a 25 per cent pay cut and a loss of 50 per cent of the mechanics then working....sounds like the intenf to f**k is a two way street there. Had they accepted it they would have been committing suicide.

One of the management side gambits a few years ago that worked pretty well was two tiered wage and benefits packages, i.e., new hires get the short end of the stick...was that part of the package? does any one KNOW, like have they read the proposed contract, or are we to be treated to yet more idle speculation from the back benchers?
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:30 am

Quoting Alphascan (Reply 28):
Since you are so in tune with industry events, next time you'll remember to factor yield into your argument.

To be sure, there are many factors which I've considered in my arguments, and not all of them side with NW mechanics. While I certainly don't claim to be an expert on yield, I understand the underlying concepts. A few of the other factors are management (Not only at NW) fiercely protecting their pensions and salaries while demanding that labor groups taking it in the a$$, management shoveling millions and millions into non-core ventures while the core business was falling apart, and my GENUINE concern for the quality of maintenance thats being done by replacement workers. And you're right, all of those events were in set in motion prior to Sept. 11.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 30):
my GENUINE concern for the quality of maintenance thats being done by replacement workers.

OK, I would appreciate if you could share the reason for that concern. You seem to assume the work will be cheapjack because those guys are replacements. I do not get the logic.. could you plse. explain?
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:26 am

Ah....very glad you asked, and I'd be happy to elaborate so that you're not under the impression that my concerns are self motivated. Let me start by saying that I've got 16 years of heavy aircraft experience; Not to impress, just for you to ascertain that I MIGHT have a valid perspective.

I'm 100% certain that there are some knowledgeable and experienced individuals acting as replacements. However, regardless of your stance on union representation, it raises a red flag that these people have agreed to step into the midst of a major labor dispute. Why? Because whether its right or wrong, once you are labled a scab, you wear that label the rest of your life. If (!!!!) you get hired by another airline, pilots, mechanics and union members in general will blacklist you. I'm not talking about shunning your existence, I'm talking refusing you a jumpseat, giving you the back of the bus treatment, and worse. Much worse.
Now......some questions that need to be asked, and feel free to make your inquiry from other INSIDERS on this board and the Tech Ops board. (No back benchers please)

How much aircraft specific training do these replacements have? Answer may be very little to none at all.
What protection do these mechanics have against the company simply getting rid of them because of 'over-inspection'?
As a temporary replacement, how much incentive (or disincentive) is there to ground a plane for mechanical reasons?
If you're a manager that was forced to the line because of the strike, do you have the same mindset as a mechanic when it comes to actually fixing the planes?
If you're a temporary worker, how much do you have vested in the safe operation of that plane?
Do you have the parts and tools available to fix it? God only knows that you're not going to borrow ANYTHING from another carrier..So does it get fixed or do you listen to management's "Just let it ride til it gets back to XXX"

Bottom line is, the knowledge and expertise just doesn't exist. Perhaps someday it will IF NW trained these replacements, but theres going to be a HUGE gap between then and now. "I've had my license for ten years now" does NOT mean "I'm safe and qualified to repair heavy jets".
Honestly, if you believe that relying on a 100% replacement workforce is just as safe as an inhouse group, you're kidding yourself. Perhaps in a cardboard box assembly plant, but this is aviation.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 32):
I'm 100% certain that there are some knowledgeable and experienced individuals acting as replacements. However, regardless of your stance on union representation, it raises a red flag that these people have agreed to step into the midst of a major labor dispute. Why? Because whether its right or wrong, once you are labled a scab, you wear that label the rest of your life. If (!!!!) you get hired by another airline, pilots, mechanics and union members in general will blacklist you. I'm not talking about shunning your existence, I'm talking refusing you a jumpseat, giving you the back of the bus treatment, and worse. Much worse

Right you are. I know a guy, haven't talked to him in years. He went to Alaska Airlines back in the late seventies or early eighties as a scab when there was a strike going on....when the strike was settled the scabs were kept on but gotten rid of as soon as the noise died down...he was let go....never worked for another major since despite no lack of trying. There were guys at DAC who'd scabbed in the seventies and in the nineties nobody would talk to them, they'd be pointed out to all the new hires, blue lavatory syrup would be pumped into their toolboxes, etc etc.

Which was what I was trying to explain to someone here but they figure I'm some sort of UAW neanderthal....

In the words of Strother Martin, "What we have here, is a failure to communicate!"

later on "Hew wants it? Well, he gits it."
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:07 pm

AOG OK I understand your opinion a bit better, Thanks for sharing.
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:09 am

Courtesy: The Detroit News

Striking Northwest Employees Picket At Toledo Rail Yard

http://www.detnews.com/2005/business/0509/07/01-306902.htm
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:53 am

Yes...picket a rail hub that isn't really directly connected to the situation. Morons. lol
 
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RE: NWA Sues Amfa Over 'Acts Of Civil Disobedience'

Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 36):
Ouboy79 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 1929 posts, RR: 13
Reply 36, posted Wed Sep 7 2005 20:53:17 UTC+2 and read 24 times:


Yes...picket a rail hub that isn't really directly connected to the situation. Morons. lol

You don't get it.

Next time the chairman of CSX is out on the golf course with the chairman of NWA, what's he gonna say? "How the hell are ya, JR?" No.

What he's gonna say is "When in the hell are you going to clean up that mess so that I can go back to running my railroad?"

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