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Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:18 pm

"WARSAW (Reuters) - Polish airline LOT will choose long-haul jets from Boeing over rival Airbus at a supervisory board meeting on Wednesday, a board source told Reuters.

Industry sources have estimated the value of the tender to lease around six long-haul jets at $500 million or more. Boeing's 787 is competing with the Airbus A350 in the tender."

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-215189-1.xml

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:21 pm

I will believe it when I see the announcement of a signed order! I wouldn't put it past certain elements to put out this kind of news only to have the reverse happen to the embarassment of the other aircraft manufacturer.

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:32 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 1):
I will believe it when I see the announcement of a signed order!

I would tend to agree with your statement. However, as quoted in the article it does appear that the order has gone to Boeing.

In an earlier interview, Airbus Senior Vice President Christopher Buckley argued that taking a decision on Wednesday would not allow enough time to complete an audit of the tender, which has been ordered to ensure transparency.

"I can't believe in a million years that the auditor is going to be ready by tomorrow with their comments and their own judgments. I would be astonished," Buckley told Reuters


They may well get the order but that does not appear to be a statement from someone who has just won the RFP

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:02 pm

Around how many orders is LOT in the market for? The article says it is an order for $500 Million +.
I don't know how much each 787 will be but that won't get them more than 6 even if Boeing offers a really SWEET deal. The list at Boeing.com is 125-135 Million USD.
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting Ramerinianair (Reply 3):
I don't know how much each 787 will be but that won't get them more than 6 even if Boeing offers a really SWEET deal. The list at Boeing.com is 125-135 Million USD.

They wouldn't really need more than 6 would they?

Besides the flights to North America, what other routes could LOT be expected to use their new 787s on?
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:19 pm

Chicago, New York, Toronto.

Are these served nonstop only from Warsawa? Or is Krakow as well used as an intercontinental gateway?

I was schlepping around the LOT website.....couldn't really tell. However they are featuring a special fare Chicago-Krakow.....but every date I chose, didn't even have a connecting flight.....

LOT Schedule experts out there?
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:49 pm

The september schedule contains KRK-EWR on Mondays and KRK-ORD on Mondays to Thursdays and Sunday.

For November KRK-ORD is Tuesday and Wednesday. No flights to new York over the winter.

In think i the summer high season there are even some more flights from KRK to North America.

Other intercontinental destination from KRK is Tel Aviv on Tuesdays.
 
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:30 pm

I wonder if those 6 Unidentified 787s are actually for LOT afterall.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
Besides the flights to North America, what other routes could LOT be expected to use their new 787s on?

I believe LOT is trying to fly again to Asia. Not too long ago, they announced plans to fly to New Delhi.
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting Hoya (Reply 7):
I wonder if those 6 Unidentified 787s are actually for LOT afterall.

Hhhhmmmm  scratchchin  !

I have a feeling you're right . We'll just have to wait and see .

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Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:04 am

Well as I said in a previous thread:

The 787 analysis shows it to have the best ROI percentage and fits LOT's current and future mission plans perfectly.
Whereas the A350 analysis shows it to be too big, too thirsty and actualy have no ROI over the same period as the 787.

What that period is, I was not told.

EDIT: should add that although this is what the analysis' have shown. The final decision rests with the board, whose arms are being twisted tightly by politics to select the A350.

(Politics influencing a fleet decision... nothing changes does it.. lol)

[Edited 2005-09-06 17:06:40]
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting SafetyDude (Thread starter):

Hmm, I guess we'll see tomorrow. Funny thing, hardly anything in the Polish dailies about this when I checked a few hours ago.

Quoting GARPD (Reply 9):
(Politics influencing a fleet decision... nothing changes does it.. lol)

It's happened before, may happen again ... be it Airbus or Boeing. Either decision will be political to some extent!
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 10):
It's happened before, may happen again ... be it Airbus or Boeing. Either decision will be political to some extent!

Indeed. Though I can assure you, even without politics.. the 787 is the better fit.
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:37 am

So now that LOT is all settled and Boeing won another round of A350 Vs 787...

I wonder what TP will go for??? Again, if no politics are involved the 787 should win this. 787 is a better fit for the A310 replacement.

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:14 am

Stirling:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 5):
Chicago, New York, Toronto.

Are these served nonstop only from Warsawa? Or is Krakow as well used as an intercontinental gateway?

This summer timetable they are doing:
10/7 WAW-ORD, 5/7 KRK-ORD,
8/7 WAW-JFK, 2/7 KRK-JFK,
5/7 WAW-EWR, 1/7 KRK-EWR,
and 7/7 WAW-YYZ
which gives a total of 38 weekly roundflights to USA/Canada.

Quite impressive if you realize it is being done with six 763/762 aircraft. However, such strong aircraft utilization results in frequent delays if any 767 goes mechanical. The usual flight time is about 10h westbound and 9-9.5h eastbound plus about 2h on the ground on each end - no much slack time if anything goes wrong. The KRK flights are usually served in the "W" mode, e.g. WAW-ORD-KRK-ORD-WAW avoiding WAW-KRK aircraft transfers. Krakow is in fact a regional airport (although developing rapidly). The US flights out of Krakow are mostly point-to-point ethnic immigration traffic (family visits and such).

The winter schedules are much more relaxed, KRK-ORD goes to 2/7 and KRK-JFK/EWR doesn't operate at all. This is why LOT was planning to start BKK, China or India flights which would have more traffic in winter to further optimize the fleet utilization.

The story of LOT 787 vs. 330/350 decision has been there for quite a long time. I hope they make that decision before NW chooses a DC9 replacement.  Wink
 
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 12):

I wonder what TP will go for??? Again, if no politics are involved the 787 should win this. 787 is a better fit for the A310 replacement.

That's true BoeingBus, the B787 is a perfect replacement for the A310-300, although Tap has spoken that they wish to replace both the A310-300 and A340-300 with one type of airplane. For this reason I believe that the B787 will prove too small for the replacement of the A340-300. Unless they were also to opt for the B777.

I still believe that this order may go both ways.

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Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:06 am

TAP may well need to split their order.

The A350 looks to be a fine a343 replacer, but it is too heavy and will not have the wing for shorter A310 flights. Assuming of course TAP use them for short/medium high capacity routes like Lufthansa does theirs. This is prime 787-3 territory and a segment totaly ignored by the A350.

If however TAP utilises their A310s mainly on longer routes, the A350 may still be better.

To sum up, if TAP use their A310s on short/medium routes, the A350 is not economically viable. This leaves the door open to the 787 and consquently allows the 777 to have a stronger pitch as an A343 replacement.

If TAP use their A310s on long haul, the A350 has a very strong pair of legs to stand on in this fleet order and will suite both as an A343 and A310 replacement.
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:38 am

that would be cool. im kinda getting bored of seeing their 762's 3 times a day at ORD.
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:44 am

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:59 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 15):
Assuming of course TAP use them for short/medium high capacity routes like Lufthansa does theirs.

LH no longer have the A310 in its fleet. Only the A300-600 are utilized.

Quoting GARPD (Reply 15):
If TAP use their A310s on long haul, the A350 has a very strong pair of legs to stand on in this fleet order and will suite both as an A343 and A310 replacement.

Well this is the case. Tap deploys its A310 mainly to Africa, North and South America. From time to time it may also be seen over Europe when demand is high.

For the short haul flights Tap is well served with its 3X A321 which has just about the same capacity as the A310.

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:03 am

I have never believed they were gonna order A350. However I read somewhere that LOT is already thinking about 737 replecement. First one asked to submit offer was Airbus, so I donno what to think of that. It was printed in GW I believe.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:07 am

I may starting flying more often on LO after the new terminal opens at WAW, so I hope for selfish reasons that they choose the B787.  Smile
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:09 am

Good news for Boeing, now lets settle the strike so we can get some damn airplanes built. .....runs off to do the happy dance
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 9):
best ROI percentage

Ok, I feel stupid, but it's time for Airliner Economics 101, what's ROI?

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Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:57 am

ROI = RETURN ON INVESTMENT
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Syncmaster (Reply 22):
Ok, I feel stupid, but it's time for Airliner Economics 101, what's ROI?

Return on Investment. It's a business term that refers to the amount of additional profit you make by investing in a given resource, whether it be a piece of infrastructure, service, or personnel. So if I spend $100mil for a aircraft and it costs $10mil a year to support it, and I make $400mil in revenue over the 20-year life of the aircraft, then my ROI is $100mil, non-inflation adjusted.
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Ramerinianair (Reply 3):
The article says it is an order for $500 Million +.
I don't know how much each 787 will be but that won't get them more than 6 even if Boeing offers a really SWEET deal. The list at Boeing.com is 125-135 Million USD.

The article says $500 million to lease, not buy. It doesn't give the duration of the lease, so we can't compare the price to a purchase, and we don't know how sweet the deal is.
 
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 26):
how sweet the deal is.

According to my associate (sounds less corny that saying SOURCE) LOT would be paying pretty average rates for their 787s if they order them to BUY.
To Lease, it will be cheaper than an A330 or 767 apparently.
Again, my associate is not at liberty to hand me actual figures.

Overall, even at list price the 787 still works out better, for ROI and Economics.

A direct quote:

"LOT is not buying Airbus' claims on the A350s economics as they are based soley on the extra seating capacity. LOT doesn't waat more seats it can't fill"
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 12):
So now that LOT is all settled and Boeing won another round of A350 Vs 787...

Watch it, although it maybe true, wait until the official announcement.
Remember, just a few months ago, Seattle PI and others were announcing that some insider at Boeing said that LOT chose Boeing. Well nothing came out of it at that time.

One article that I found in a Polish magazine said that it may not be so just yet (according to some politician), in order for Airbus to actually have enough view for the tender. Apparently, Chris Buckley is due to arrive in Poland tomorrow (Wednesday).
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 27):
"LOT is not buying Airbus' claims on the A350s economics as they are based soley on the extra seating capacity. LOT doesn't waat more seats it can't fill"

Once again the A346 performance claims return to haunt Airbus. This is a huge problem for Airbus. In both A350 orders and the lack of A380 orders. Operators simply do not trust Airbus claims any longer.

They want to see the actual numbers from revenue operations. Not a good situation when looking for Launch Customers.

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:55 am

Quoting PolAir (Reply 19):
I have never believed they were gonna order A350. However I read somewhere that LOT is already thinking about 737 replecement. First one asked to submit offer was Airbus, so I donno what to think of that. It was printed in GW I believe.

That would make perfect sense, at least from a political view. Order the 787 to stay in favour with the Americans (although don't see why that needs to be done any further - Poland has thanked America enough for their support already in more ways than one) and order Airbus for Centralwings to stay in favour with the EU. From a political point of view, a win-win situation.

Any links to this story in any of the Polish media?? I haven't really been able to find any info, apart from a short blurb after an extensive search and the Reuters article at the beginning of this thread. Nothing else.

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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:37 am

Looking at the Reuters feed, quite a nice day for Boeing:

- LOT agrees to buy 6 787s
- GOL Linhas Aereas ups its delivery schedule for 737-800s
- Indian Gov't orders 3 special equiped 737-700s
- Singapore is going to buy F-15s over Eurofighters

For Airbus, China Southern orders 10 A330s. I wonder why they did not go with the A350? It's supposed to be the plane of the future, you know?
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:53 am

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 31):
- Singapore is going to buy F-15s over Eurofighters

You can thank US Government for that, not Boeing. Probably made a few threats and gave a few bribes over there in order to get that order, too...

Either way, given LOT's history of postponing the official announcement, even thought I support the 787-800 purchase, I still have to say "let's wait until this gets official".
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:10 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 32):
You can thank US Government for that, not Boeing. Probably made a few threats and gave a few bribes over there in order to get that order, too...

hmmm... ok... just curious of how you came up with this? is there something you know that we don't?
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:16 am

Actually, I need to correct my post, but I do not have the link to edit it for some reason. They chose the F-15 over the Rafale by Dassault Aviation SA in the final stage.

"At the end of a long selection and evaluation process in which the elimination of the Eurofighter-Typhoon led to a face-off between Rafale & F-15, the American vendor prevailed in Singapore," said a statement from Dassault.

Dassualts notes that Singapore shied away from dual sourcing and the weakness of the US Dollar were also factors.

So, in a way, BlueSky1976 is spot-on right! Fiscally policy has led to a weak US$, which was a factor in Singapore picking the Boeing fighter... Good job, BlueSky1976, Good Job!!!  thumbsup 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 31):
- Singapore is going to buy F-15s over Eurofighters

Over Rafale not Eurofighters. The latter was already out of the running

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 32):
You can thank US Government for that, not Boeing. Probably made a few threats and gave a few bribes over there in order to get that order, too...

Why would you go and say something stupid like that? Singapore is probably the least corrupt country in Asia. They are just sticking with what has become their primary defenese aerospace supplier, and the one who has long standing defense relationship with Singapore. Singapore keeps much of its Air Force hardware in the US because of a lack of space. Singapore has signed up for the JSF development program as well.
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 34):
Dassualts notes that Singapore shied away from dual sourcing and the weakness of the US Dollar were also factors.

So, in a way, BlueSky1976 is spot-on right! Fiscally policy has led to a weak US$, which was a factor in Singapore picking the Boeing fighter... Good job, BlueSky1976, Good Job!!!

It would be more the strong Euro than a weak dollar, as the Singpore dollar exchange rate is close to its average value. In fact when the dollar was super strong during the late 90s-early 2000s, the exchange rate was where it is now.
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 33):
hmmm... ok... just curious of how you came up with this? is there something you know that we don't?

Hmm, let's see...

2000 - the South Korean F-X competition. US State Department made public threats to Korean officials about what the fate of their country would be should they choose Dassault Rafale. (source: AW&ST, Skrzydlata Polska*)

2002 - the LOIs by Polish, Czech and Hungarian governments for the purchase of the new multi-role fighter planes. Basically it came down to the bidding war between Mirage 2000Mk2, Gripen International and F-16C/D Block 52+. In all three cases, British Aerospace - who was marketing Gripen International, along with the Swedish government - made the best offer to all of the governments. They won in Czech Republic and in Hungary. In Poland the winner was F-16. Now here's the kicker. In Czech Republic and in Hungary, the competition was reviewed by independent goverment panel that denied "help" from American State department, while in Poland the bidding war was done under heavy pressure from United States Government and Polish military lobbyists. The Swedish and French governments offered better offset packages. Basically, should Poland choose Mirage, the plane would be basically produced by PZL Mielec. I have to dig thru my Skrzydlata Polska issues, but after the Gripen win in the other two countries, American officials made some really interesting comments about the government panels that reviewed each offer and their dismay for American "help" in picking the winner.

As far as the bribery goes... you don't have to look overseas for that. Just dig into the history a little bit and you'll find out how Atlanta got picked for 1996 Olympic Games...

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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 37):
2000 - the South Korean F-X competition. US State Department made public threats to Korean officials about what the fate of their country would be should they choose Dassault Rafale. (source: AW&ST, Skrzydlata Polska*)

Well, the US has paid and continues to pay for a considerable portion of SK's defense.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 37):
As far as the bribery goes... you don't have to look overseas for that. Just dig into the history a little bit and you'll find out how Atlanta got picked for 1996 Olympic Games...

Your point is what? That the International Olympic Committee is incredibly corrupt?
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:56 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 38):
Your point is what? That the International Olympic Committee is incredibly corrupt?

It was at the time. They revised their code of assignment of the Olympic Games since then after Athens Olympic Comittee - the rightful host of the Centennial Modern Olympiad - raised holy hell after Atlanta was picked.
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 39):
It was at the time. They revised their code of assignment of the Olympic Games since then after Athens Olympic Comittee - the rightful host of the Centennial Modern Olympiad - raised holy hell after Atlanta was picked.

Additionally, Athens was not ready to host the Olympics in 1996 as there was not enough infrastructure in place. Then when Athens did get the Olympics, we saw what happens when a small nation hosts the games, they just cannot fill the seats that places like Germany, United States, China, and, England can. Over 1 million tickets went unused. Corruption or not, I think everyone agrees that the Atlanta Olympics was one of the worst modern debacles of our time.

But we are getting way off topic. This is Boeing and LOT's day in the sun.
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:29 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 37):
the LOIs by Polish, Czech and Hungarian governments for the purchase of the new multi-role fighter planes. Basically it came down to the bidding war between Mirage 2000Mk2, Gripen International and F-16C/D Block 52+. In all three cases, British Aerospace - who was marketing Gripen International, along with the Swedish government - made the best offer to all of the governments. They won in Czech Republic and in Hungary. In Poland the winner was F-16. Now here's the kicker. In Czech Republic and in Hungary, the competition was reviewed by independent goverment panel that denied "help" from American State department, while in Poland the bidding war was done under heavy pressure from United States Government and Polish military lobbyists. The Swedish and French governments offered better offset packages. Basically, should Poland choose Mirage, the plane would be basically produced by PZL Mielec. I have to dig thru my Skrzydlata Polska issues, but after the Gripen win in the other two countries, American officials made some really interesting comments about the government panels that reviewed each offer and their dismay for American "help" in picking the winner.

There was more American help and it was in the form of electronic bugs too. I know someone who was part of the Gripen sales team at the time. According to this person (and he's quite high up within the organization), the Amercians followed the other "teams" ... they knew for instance where he was staying, where he ate dinner, what pubs he went to, etc. Although standard procedure is to sweep for electronic bugs in places of meetings ... this couldn't be done everywhere that they were staying.
They expected this to happen so most confidential conversations took place outside.

Before someone claims that I'm just playing into conspiracy theories, it's not the first time that something like this happened. Remember the bugs in the EU parliament? Or the Airbus/Boeing/Saudi Arabia deal back in 1994?

When it comes to arms sales, playing dirty is the name of the game.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 38):
Your point is what? That the International Olympic Committee is incredibly corrupt?

In some countries they call it "corruption", in others they call it "lobbying". Same sh*t in the end.
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:14 pm

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 31):
For Airbus, China Southern orders 10 A330s. I wonder why they did not go with the A350? It's supposed to be the plane of the future, you know?

Maybe they need the planes before either the A350 or 787 is available?  scratchchin 
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:29 pm

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 41):
Or the Airbus/Boeing/Saudi Arabia deal back in 1994?

Of course that was a case of the US exposing bribery by Airbus of Saudis, wasn't it?
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:32 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 43):
Of course that was a case of the US exposing bribery by Airbus of Saudis, wasn't it?

By what means exactly though?
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:06 pm

If LOT chooses B, what will be A's reponse?
a) Express disappointment and vow to do better next time
b) Cry foul that the selection process was biased from the start
c) Threaten to sue LOT for damages
d) Request that Poland be banished from the E.U. for treason
 
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 45):
If LOT chooses B, what will be A's reponse?

A will do what it did to Maroco RAM, and India Airlines... just pull the offer and blame the airline.
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:08 pm

That would make the 3rd Star Alliance member for 787, or 4th if you count Air Canada. If it happens.

TAP and Spanair may be good chances for the 350?
 
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:26 pm

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 47):
4th if you count Air Canada.

Unfortunately, 787 in AC fleet is not happening. Not for now at least.
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RE: Polish LOT To Pick Boeing In $500 Mln Deal

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:55 pm

Well it's late in the afternoon in Warsaw any official news yet?

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