Concorde001
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Britain And India To Agree On More Flights!

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:30 pm

Just read in the Times of India, that when Tony Blair arrives in India tomorrow, the two countries will agree on further increases in flights between the countries! I can only see a full Open Skies agreement being reached - it seems the next logical step after the last agreement!
Read the article here:

'India hopes Blair visit will boost ties with Europe'
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1221534.cms

What do you think guys?
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:39 pm

I have my credit card ready for when a Manchester to Mumbai service goes on sale!
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:44 pm

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 1):
I have my credit card ready for when a Manchester to Mumbai service goes on sale!

Via Teeside, Frankfurt and Yerevan on an Embraer 145?  Smile
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
Via Teeside, Frankfurt and Yerevan on an Embraer 145?

Operated by the one and only.........you guessed it, BMI!
 rotfl 
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:59 pm

Supposing that it is a 'Open Skies' agreement, I think EK and other gulf carriers will find it increasingly difficult to perform well on the routes - that is if they rely heavily on UK traffic for routes to India!
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 4):
, I think EK and other gulf carriers will find it increasingly difficult to perform well on the routes - that is if they rely heavily on UK traffic for routes to India!

I don't know about India, but I know they do to Pakistan..I wouldn't be surprised with India too, given that The Emirates has a large pool of both educated and uneducated Indian workers....
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
Via Teeside, Frankfurt and Yerevan on an Embraer 145?



Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 3):
Operated by the one and only.........you guessed it, BMI!

Don't be silly....












...that would be far too sensible for BMI  Wink
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:45 am

Watch for another BMI 332 head South from MAN.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting Col (Reply 7):
Watch for another BMI 332 head South from MAN.

Nothing would surprise me......anymore. LHR - Varanasi - Kochi every Wed and Sun; sitting around at LHR Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri and Sat? Or maybe LHR - Trivandrum on a Sat.

Strange how this thread has almost turned into a MAN-India thread. Die-hard optimists we must be!
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:43 am

I just read the article and I didn't find anything about an aviation agreement. Can someone quote the relevant section?
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:47 am

I don't think we will get MAN-India from any British carriers - maybe Air India and Jet Airways.
How do you think VS/BD and BA will use open skies (if it goes ahead)..?
I think:
VS -double daily DEL or BOM
BD -daily BOM (and four days to DEL and keeping three days for RUH)
BA - start double daily flights to MAA/BLR/CCU or new routes like ATQ??? They are going double daily to BOM and DEL anyway and MAA/BLR/CCU are all going daily!
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:48 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
I just read the article and I didn't find anything about an aviation agreement. Can someone quote the relevant section?

Here we go....

"During the visit, India and Britain plan to announce a deal to increase the number of flights between the two countries and to allow expansion of investment in one another's film-making companies"

Its page three of the article!
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:05 am

How about some flights from GLA or EDI?

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Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:04 am

Thanks Condorde001. I saw film-making in that sentence and moved on.  ashamed   embarrassed   guilty   sorry 
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 12):
How about some flights from GLA or EDI?

Am I right in saying that PK are launching services from GLA? After much anticipation, if so.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 10):
think:
VS -double daily DEL or BOM
BD -daily BOM (and four days to DEL and keeping three days for RUH)
BA - start double daily flights to MAA/BLR/CCU or new routes like ATQ??? They are going double daily to BOM and DEL anyway and MAA/BLR/CCU are all going daily!

Mate VS and BMI will be going daily by this winter itself to BOM and BA will be going double daily.

The other options like ATQ as mentioned by you would be interesting if they materialise also like wise with british carriers to BHX/MAN/EDI etc.. onward to the USA
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 10):
BA - ..... and MAA/BLR/CCU are all going daily!

Since when has BA been operating a LHR-BLR service?!?! I heard that the earliest it is likely to start is March 2006.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:11 am

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 16):
Since when has BA been operating a LHR-BLR service?!?! I heard that the earliest it is likely to start is March 2006.

Sorry, I meant that when BA start, their services will be daily - but I think it is starting only with 5 services a week!
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:15 am

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 16):
Since when has BA been operating a LHR-BLR service?!?! I heard that the earliest it is likely to start is March 2006.

The 5x a week service starts from Oct 30 2005, and plans are to make it daily from summer 2006. The winter flights are already available in BA system, and can book it on their website.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:15 am

I hope its a LHR-ATQ service. Finally, I will have a one stop connection from ORD to Amritsar. ATQ needs a strong eurpoean airline. Speculation has always surrounded around VS, BA and LH. Now hopefully something will finally materialize.

Current Operators at ATQ:
Air India (Delhi, Toronto, Birmingham)
Indian Airlines (Delhi, Sharjah)
Air Deccan (Delhi, possible Chandigarh route in future)
Uzbekistan (Tashkent)
Turkmenistan (Ashgabat)
Ariana Afghan (Kabul)
Air Slovakia (Bratislava)
Singapore Airlines (Singapore)
Malaysia Airlines (Kuala Lumpur starting this winter)
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 19):
I hope its a LHR-ATQ service. Finally, I will have a one stop connection from ORD to Amritsar. ATQ needs a strong eurpoean airline

Amen to that!
Uzbekistan Airways (HY) and Turkemenistan Airlines (T5) go near full everytime from LHR as 95% of the passengers are connecting to ATQ. I would love to see BA/VS going to ATQ - but I'm not too sure as BA always looks for premium passenger demand - do you think ATQ has year round healthy premium demand? Personally, I think so - I have had a look at the loads of AI's ATQ-BHX-YYZ-BHX-ATQ flights, and I've got to say, F and C class do very well. But make of that what you will - AI is a state owned carrier!
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:48 am

Goodness Gracious!!!!

When I was a kid growing up, IC was the sole operator at BLR with domestic traffic only and it was big news when the A320s started replacing the B737-100/200s.

As of this November, the list of international carriers operating out of BLR (at least as far as I know!_ will be

BA, SQ, AF, TG, NW, GF, LH, UL and MH

Did I miss any?! I didnt include AI because it dosent have any direct intl flights ex BLR

Given the rather significant industrial links between Japanese heavy industrial firms and BLR, I'm rather surprised that JL hasnt made a bid yet!

I can only hope that some of the flights arrive a few hours before midnight - I doubt that the current airport can handle half a dozen heavies within a 3 hour turnaround timeframe
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:19 pm

I believe Air India has a Blr-BOM-FRA flight once or twice a week, which is a 747.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:22 pm

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 12):
How about some flights from GLA or EDI?

What for?
The Indian population in Scotland isn't very large. However, there are a load of Pakistani's, especially in Glasgow
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:48 pm

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 21):
the list of international carriers operating out of BLR (at least as far as I know!_ will be

BA, SQ, AF, TG, NW, GF, LH, UL and MH

Did I miss any?! I didnt include AI because it dosent have any direct intl flights ex BLR

The other international connections from BLR are: Royal Nepal 2x pw, IC daily to SIN, and often to BKK/KUL, AI direct to DXB and other cities like SIN.
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 23):
What for?
The Indian population in Scotland isn't very large. However, there are a load of Pakistani's, especially in Glasgow

Well Glasgow is the UK's carry capital  Smile lol

It would be nice to see someone like TCX offering flights to Goa.

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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:48 am

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 21):
Given the rather significant industrial links between Japanese heavy industrial firms and BLR, I'm rather surprised that JL hasnt made a bid yet!

Current ASA does not allow Japan carriers to fly into BLR.
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 16):
Since when has BA been operating a LHR-BLR service?!?! I heard that the earliest it is likely to start is March 2006.

Nope, im booked on the LHR-BLR flight this winter. I assume it's full because to go back in January, I am flying out of MAA or BOM because of the price difference.
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:57 pm

Does anyone have further details about the new agreement. It was meant to be agreed today, but I havn't heard anything - Tony Blair leaves India this evening.....any info guys?
 
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:04 pm

I just read this on the BA website, under 'Press Releases'.

"British Airways has welcomed the signing of the new air services agreement between the UK and India which took place in Delhi today.

Andrew Cahn, British Airways' director of government and industry affairs, said: "The new agreement reflects modern aviation and the links between the two countries.

"Consumers will benefit most from this agreement. There will be increased competition on flights between Britain and India as the number of direct services between the two countries has more than doubled.

"In addition, the liberalisation of pricing procedures will result in more competitive ticket prices."

British Airways flies daily from London Heathrow to both Delhi and Mumbai. There are three flights each week from London Heathrow to Kolkata and two flights each week from London Heathrow to Chennai.

From October 30, 2005, there will be a double daily service to Mumbai, flights to Chennai will increase to six per week and there will be a new five per week service between London Heathrow and Bangalore.

In June 2006, the airline will start a double daily service to Delhi."

I don't know about you guys, but this is a little brief - does anyone have any specific detail?
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:25 am

Just read this on ZEE News! It brilliant, even more flights to India! Apparently, by next year, these flights may double!

"India, UK to triple direct passenger flight service

New Delhi, Sept 08: India and Britain today signed an accord to allow the number of direct passenger flights between them to TRIPLE this year from the 84-a-week currently allowed.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who held wide-ranging talks with his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh, said the two sides had helped "cement new modern relationships between the two countries".

The two Prime Ministers inked a deal to triple direct passenger flights between the two countries. Officials sources said the flights could possibly double again next year.

The sources said the accord replaces a 1951 treaty and also includes fair competition guarantees and new safety and security rules as well removing some price restrictions."
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:58 am

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...09/09/stories/2005090902390300.htm

THE UK's two major airlines — British Airways and Virgin Atlantic — are keen to expand operations to South India. While BA is looking at expanding its network to include Hyderabad and Kochi, Virgin is examining the option of operating to Bangalore, Goa and Hyderabad.

"There has already been close to a seven-fold increase in the flights that British Airways offers to South India, which is a very vibrant market. We are now actively looking at Hyderabad and Kochi as possible destinations," the Director of Government and Industry Affairs, British Airways, Mr Andrew Cahn, told Business Line. The airline is to start a five times a week flight from Bangalore in October and increase connectivity from Chennai during the same month.

It has already announced that it will offer a daily flight from both these cities from March next year by which time it would be offering passengers from Delhi and Mumbai the option of choosing from any of the two daily flights that it would have started from both these cities to London. Incidentally, the airline has been expanding services to India faster than any other part of the globe,a senior airline official said.

Echoing similar sentiments about the Indian market, Virgin Atlantic's Chief Executive, Mr Steve Ridgeway, said that in the medium term the airline would look at expanding operations to Bangalore and Hyderabad. "We are also looking at operating to Goa along with Virgin Holidays. It is possible that we start operations to Goa before going to Bangalore or Hyderabad," Mr Ridgeway said.

The two airline executives were in India as part of the official delegation accompanying the British Prime Minister, Mr Tony Blair, on his official visit here.

Asked about the interest of Virgin chief, Sir Richard Branson in picking up a stake in an airline of India, Mr Ridgeway said that the interest was still very much there. "There are still ownership issues that need to be addressed. In fact, this is part of the wider on going debate," he said.

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