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Southwest Era....

Mon May 08, 2000 9:03 am

I'm curious with what you guys think about this topic..... I believe that the only thing that Southwest Airlines has going for it right now is cheap fares. With the economy doing as good as it is, don't you believe that passengers are willing to pay alittle more to fly a full service airline then Southwest? Is the Southwest era over?
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Mon May 08, 2000 9:15 am

For the love of God, give it up already!!!! SWA is going to stay right here and there is nothing you can do! Get off your high horse and come down to earth with the rest of us. SWA can do without you, we can all do without you. If the Southwest oxygen burns up your little lungs then go find some stuffiness that suits you. Go work for United Shuttle or Airbus. But keep in mind that nothing you say or do will bring an end to SWA. I don't what is the matter with you, I don't know if you quit or if you were fired and you hold a grudge, but if you are so afraid of SWA, then find some other airline to work for, one that isn't making money and doesn't have an excelent safety record, but by all means, please, for the good of us all, stay far, far away from SWA. And while you're at it, stay away from this board, we don't need you.
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Mon May 08, 2000 9:17 am


Since the economic expansion began, Southwest has not only held it's own, it has thrived, gaining a foothold on the east coast with its operations out of MHT, PVD and ISP.

Sorry, all you SWA bashers, but the days of the $225 rubber chicken salad are over. Southwest has managed to liberate air travel from the United/American/Pan Am Version #1 elitists.
 
rominato
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Not That Cheap

Mon May 08, 2000 9:50 am

I guess I don't get all the hype about southwest. I glanced at their website, and over travelocity.com on routes that I would fly (mainly out of either PDX or LAX), and frankly, their fares were no lower than a bunch of other airlines on those routes. On many of them, United, National, Alaska, etc. all carried the same fare. For the same price, why not take someone else? Most of my routes had more stops on southwest, and with no inflight entertainment (read: music, movies, personal tv, etc.), with no meals, with no option for first class upgrades, seat selection, or being on an airplane now offering more legroom in coach, why WOULD I take southwest? It seems like an easy choice to me.

All the credit in the world should go to the southwest marketing department for maintaining the illusion of cheaper fares on all routes. We know they do a brilliant job at that.
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Mon May 08, 2000 10:05 am

The economy's been pretty good this past decade, and WN has done nothing but grow. If anything, the bursting of the "dot.com" bubble might have even more people flying Southwest.

Also, it ain't just fares...it's frequencies. WN provides a LOT of frequency between DAL-HOU, MCI or STL - MDW, LAX-OAK, LAX - PHX. Look at some of their larger markets. Low fare + high frequency = business customers.
 
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Rominato

Mon May 08, 2000 11:27 am

I am no SWA lover,but think about it. You stated that on the routes you flew the fare was the same as SWA. So the airlines matched SWA lower fare,that is nothing new. I suggest you take advantage of it.

May I suggest we stop playing selective ignorance. The Congress has a bill right now to try to handle airline customer service. Service that has really taken a new low with the "real airlines",and guess what? SWA had nothing to do with it.

SWA is growing at a rate of 10% the last time I checked. How,and why? Going Boeing you hit right on the head. Frequencies. Unlike other lowfare airlines that will offer one,two or three flights in a market,SWA will offer five or six. Example,between the DAL-HOU,SWA offers a shuttle service that departs every thirty minutes. Impressive. Thats competing in the same market with AA,CO and DL. And no,there is not that many vacationers that want to go between DAL and HOU that much.

The real market for SWA is short haul flying. In Texas,Business travelers hop on SWA like they are getting in a taxi. There flights are freq,you don't have to grow through DFW or IAH.
 
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SWA737-500

Mon May 08, 2000 8:31 pm

Grow up!!!!!! I quit SWA and was hired by a real airline..........
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Mon May 08, 2000 8:39 pm

Coex, that "fake" airline you quit has had far more millionaires retire from it than any of the other "real" airlines combined. See ya on the golf course...no wait, you have to go to work!
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Mon May 08, 2000 8:50 pm

No southwest airlines will grow, grow, grow and grow. There are still many people that believe that flying is only for the rich& famous but SWA will bring them affordable fares and many more people will fly.

Avion
 
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Growing,growing,gone.

Mon May 08, 2000 9:15 pm

Well has anybody thought about the possibility of overexpansion. That's what happened to Eastern in the 80s. SWA737-500 do you need a sedative? Calm down man. Coex knows what he's talking about he's been here longer than you have. You just can't come in as the johnny come lately and rearrange this forum. Who do you think you are. If you're such a Southwest sympathist maybe you and herb should go and have a therapy session together so you can tell him all of your concerns about SWA's future and how much you love his airline. And how people friendly they are. I'm just happy with the airlines that serve my airport. Thank god for AirTran and Frontier.
 
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An Example Of Why Some Folks Leave This Site..

Mon May 08, 2000 10:05 pm

Coex wrote:
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Grow up!!!!!! I quit SWA and was hired by a real airline..........
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Just my 2 cents worth, but your post tends to support what SWA737-500 was quite politely inferring: You're not exactly in a position of total objectivity, as an ex-SWA employee now working for a competitor. This is especially true, for example, if your departure from SWA wasn't exactly voluntary or otherwise not on good terms, as it would then appear it's just basic axe-grinding. Stop for a moment and imagine how it would look/feel if an ex-Continential Express employee (who went to work at SWA) got on here and makes snide comments about CO Express not being a "real" airline.

But hey, this is America, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, which I fully support. However, please note that the right to express one's opinion(s) doesn't necessarily and/or automatically make that opinion(s) 100% fact.

I've been in the airline biz for approaching 25 years now (3 airlines total, including 20+ at SWA) and I can *assure* you that SWA is (and has been) a *real* airline in the objective contexts that are truly important. Safety. Efficiency. Providing the Customers with what they want. The "minor" stuff like that, and not all this *subjective* crap of who searves meals and who doesnt, or who has or hasn't supposedly upset the apple cart of the "traditional" airline industry.

Things change, including people's wants and expectations. It's very easy, especially for some of the folks here on this forum who are in the 15-25 year old age bracket to conveniently forget history, or otherwise engage in revisionist history re: SWA, but that also ignores the societal changes that have given us Walmart, Home Depot, Fedex, CompUSA, and other new retail delivery mechanisms that we've all come to accept. Naturally, if you or a relative was affected by one of these outfits and had to *change* as a result, yeah, they're the evil villains.

What a world it would be if the mere expression of everyone's individual opinions could be "tolerated" as a right, and without the need for infantile name-calling should one disagree.

Nah.... Not likely to happen on this forum....

As this is an aviation forum, and not a debate forum, no reply is necessary, nor expected.

Regards...

ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Mon May 08, 2000 10:36 pm

Wow, I couldn't have said it better had I spent a fortnight ruminating. Even I, as a SWA FF, am getting tired of looking at WN threads -- the way you people are talking, you'd think that SWA is #1 in the country (oops....sorry)!
 
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William

Tue May 09, 2000 12:41 am


William wrote:
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I am no SWA lover,but think about it. You stated that on the routes you flew the fare was the same as SWA. So the airlines matched SWA lower fare,that is nothing new. I suggest you take advantage of it.

Well, why take southwest when I know it will take longer to get there (I took them from PDX to Tampa, and with four flight segments, it took all day long!). Why take an airline that I know ahead of time doesn't offer as much for the same price? In addition to all the reasons listed in my previous post, I like to use my FF miles to go to someplace more... vacationlike. I've used my last two trips to go to Hawaii and Australia, respectively. Southwest obviously doesn't do those routes, and as far as I know, they don't have any code share partners that operate those routes, do they? again, thanks to southwest for lowering prices, but I'll gladly get more from another airline for the same amount of money.
 
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Frontierman

Tue May 09, 2000 8:23 am

I'm sorry I snapped like that, but I tend to do that when some delusional ex-SWA employee comes in here and trash talks anything and everything that is making SWA a key player in the modern airline market. I'm just thankful that Coex can manage his bent up anger better than some, if not, we may have seen another PSA type crash (can't remember the flight number, but I'm sure you know which one I'm talking about). I just want to point out that it's not very often at all that you find an angry SWA (ex) employee, so don't let the opinion of one sway the crowd. As I said before, if the Southwest oxygen burns up your little lungs then find some stuffiness that suits you. But please, move on, you have a new job now. Nothing will stop SWA at this point, so it's pointless to continue this anger.
Now, back to the real reponces...
Some of you say that you can get the same price for a flight on a full frills airline. First of all, I have to ask, how many people here like airline food? And second, I live in SEA, and up here, you can't find better prices. SWA flies everywhere I fly and they do it safely and cheaply. Sure, I could fly Alaska, but I've never been fond of their safety record. I first flew SWA in 1995 (I think), and ever since I've been hooked. So, in short, just because you can find an equal price doesn't mean we all can.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but no one is entitled to their own facts.
 
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RE: Frontierman

Tue May 09, 2000 8:55 am


SWA737-500 wrote:
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Some of you say that you can get the same price for a flight on a full frills airline. First of all, I have to ask, how many people here like airline food? And second, I live in SEA, and up here, you can't find better prices. SWA flies everywhere I fly and they do it safely and cheaply. Sure, I could fly Alaska, but I've never been fond of their safety record. I first flew SWA in 1995 (I think), and ever since I've been hooked. So, in short, just because you can find an equal price doesn't mean we all can.

It all depends on where you look... I do most of my flying out of either PDX or LAX, and have found that there are plenty of options as far as airlines go for similar (or lower) prices. Just for the heck of it, I was browsing southwest's fares at their website, and comparing the prices to others found on travelocity.com. There are plenty of similar or cheaper fares on other airlines, depending on your route. (I was looking at SEA-LAX, SEA-LAS, SEA-BOS/MHT) It all comes down to doing homework and looking around for the best fares. Even out of SEA, it's not always southwest with the lowest fare.

As for your other comment about airline food... my whole point in an earlier post was that it's not all that you get on any other major. Sure you get fed on longer flights, and that's fine, but you are also getting the benefit of more legroom in coach (becoming the norm with many majors now), advance seat selection (nice if you're taller and can request an exit row for legroom), the option for first class upgrades, FF miles that don't expire, more diverse FF destinations (Honolulu and Sydney were my last two), code sharing agreements for those international flights, fewer stops on longer flights, and inflight entertainment... I don't know about you, but I enjoy listening in to the cockpit when I fly United. As an aviation fan, and a pilot in training, those are extra perks that will definitely get my business when offered for the same price. The short story: it's not all just about the food.
 
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RE: Frontierman

Tue May 09, 2000 9:58 am

Personally, I like stops. Approach is my favorite part of flying, so it doesn't bother me, plus you get to see a little bit of new airports  Also, on longer SWA flights you do get more than a bag of peanuts. Usually a pretzel (big kind), peanuts, and a bag of crackers, that's pretty much all I need. About the seats... If you are samrt enough and quick enough to get in line first, you can have any seat you want! The FAA requires that the emergency row be a certain size, so that won't change, plus you can get whichever position you like most. As for entertainment, looking out the window is enough for me ! But, the crew will often times play games and tell jokes, they usually do on my flights, and it's a lot of fun. Plus you get a sense of safety I've never felt on another carrier. I don't care if you like SWA, but it's a waste of energy for either of us to make messages like this. With that you have to agree.
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Tue May 09, 2000 10:20 am

may i ask what kind of games SWA737-500? not "heads up 7 up" i hope..... Are the jokes any good?
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Tue May 09, 2000 10:53 am

Oh, contests, etc. Usually the prize is a free cocktail.

As for the jokes, SWA issues a handbook filled with jokes for use onboard aircraft and strongly encourages flight crews to use them. The jokes always make the whole plane laugh, so yeah, they're pretty good.
 
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RE: Southwest Era....

Tue May 09, 2000 11:00 am

Thanks for the info. I am kind of mad at WN right now because (according to travel agent) they hightened some low cross country fares (RNO-JAX in my case) and so did the majors. I was going to spend the whole summer in JAX but since the fares went up, I can only do a 30 day stay... But I am very glad that WN is a fare reducer, or else we would all be paying $300 for short hops, and many people wouldnt be able to travel...
 
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SWA737-500

Tue May 09, 2000 1:32 pm



SWA737-500 wrote:
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I don't care if you like SWA, but it's a waste of energy for either of us to make messages like this. With that you have to agree.


Agreed.... either way, it seems we're both happy with our respective carriers, and I guess that's all that counts.  

Happy travelling!

 

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