jdwfloyd
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Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:39 am

Just wondering what your opinion of US getting the Q400 and using it for the short hops out of PHL on the high demand routes. It seems that it is a perfect fit and would work well on the routes such as PHL to DCA,LGA,ABE,BWI,AVP MDT and so on. Any route that is currently a RJ and would be an hour or less on the new Q series. This would be a more efficient and economical solution for these routes.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:44 am

But what a minute, isn't that plane a prop? I can't ride it. It is slow and unsafe. I NEED A JET......so says the flying public.

It would be a perfect match for US but the flying public is "scared" of props.

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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:45 am

Put a jet way on it and half the cattle will not notice.  Wink
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:21 am

q400 would solve many airlines problems..Gawd they are all stupid!!!
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:23 am

Flying public will notice having to transfer between F terminal and A/B/C at PHL
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:29 am

Quoting Dartland (Reply 4):
Flying public will notice having to transfer between F terminal and A/B/C at PHL

They have to go to F terminal to get on 170s and CRJs/ERJs.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:41 am

The Q400 may be more economical than other RJs, but the American traveling public (or any traveling public) tend to think of props as unsafe, slow, and cramped. Even if this is not true, airlines can't change the public opinion.

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EDIT: Grammer mistake

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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 1):
It would be a perfect match for US but the flying public is "scared" of props.

Must be an East Coast thing. Horizon Air did a study and found that most (over 90%) passengers did not have any reluctance in flying a propeller plane (turboprop) over a jet plane. And like you have mentioned, on flights of 350 miles or so, the performance difference was very small.

They discuss the study when Horizon was profiled in AirlinerWorld.
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:59 am

A guy asked about the Q400 that in late 2003 during a company meeting. Dave Siegel (then CEO) had a twinkle in his eyes and said the Q400 was indeed under consideration. But it was not ordered.

If today's oil prices had been known in 2000/2001, maybe US would have ordered the Q400 for PSA Airlines to replace the Dornier 328. But now it's kind of too late in a sense (enough regional airplanes in the system).

At one point the Dash-8 was going to be phased out. Now the Dash-8s are going to stay long-term. So that does support the idea that US has a good network for props, indeed probably the world's best network for props. Oh well.
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:01 am

How will the average passenger know what type of aircraft they are going to be traveling on when booking a flight? Really, is somebody going to cancel their trip upon seeing the aircraft sitting at their gate?
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:07 am

I for one can't wait for the day Horizon finally begins MOD-LAX so I can finally get to ride a Q400. Hear (or don't hear) they are pretty spectacular.

Who else is making passenger propliners nowadays? Beech?

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 7):
on flights of 350 miles or so, the performance difference was very small.

And Horizon uses them on routes almost twice as long...and is still able to compete head-to-head with Soutwest.
I don't know if that says more about the aircraft or the airline?
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:08 am

Piedmont will eventually need new A/C. I do not see why the new management would not consider the Q for a replacement. The Q series would be a great option to fill the gap that no jet can currently fill.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:49 am

They need to think fast because those cruddy slow lumbering old Pennsylvania Airlines (yes i go back with them that far!)and Piedmont DH8-100s they have flyin arent gonna be doin it for much longer. Theyre becoming the Shorts 360s of the industry and are an embarassment to whats supposedly gonna be this illustrious andglamorourous "new" USAirways. The only things worse in the skies right now are J41s, and any Beechcraft 1900 (C or D) and USAirways Express flies em al - loaded with full fare paying business travellers in the northeast - - wonder why people go flocking to other carriers the minute USE gets any competition?
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 8):
A guy asked about the Q400 that in late 2003 during a company meeting. Dave Siegel (then CEO) had a twinkle in his eyes and said the Q400 was indeed under consideration. But it was not ordered.

Yes, Siegel wanted them, and Bombardier really wanted to sell him some. Sadly, Lakefield and Ashby did not want anything to do with them.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 8):
At one point the Dash-8 was going to be phased out.

I don't know why people keep saying this, because it's not true.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 10):
Who else is making passenger propliners nowadays? Beech?

ATR is Bombardier's primary competitor in the market.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 11):
Piedmont will eventually need new A/C. I do not see why the new management would not consider the Q for a replacement. The Q series would be a great option to fill the gap that no jet can currently fill.

Piedmont does already fly a number of Q200 aircraft. Some of the -100s are getting up there in age though.

What Piedmont really wanted were more 50-seat Dash 8-300s. They actively looked for more for over a year, but they're just not out there in the secondary market.
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:05 pm

I would love to see the Q400 flying the HVN - PHL run. Traffic at Tweed is on the rise. It wouldn't hurt to put a larger and more modern aircraft on the route, as Delta has started their service with CRJs.
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:25 pm

I'd even more so wish to see EMB-145 or CRJ200s o HVNPHL and the EMB170s or CR7s or 9s on HVNCLT.

Take it frm someone who put in alotta years as a Pax Svc Supvsr with USAirways Express at that very airport, the connecting traffic goes SOUTH!!

The day DL adds a HVNATL route to its HVNCVG -- and US adds HVNCLT is when you'll see Tweed traffic go thru the roof!

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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:20 pm

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
DCA,LGA,ABE,BWI,AVP MDT

Jdwfloyd I've been recommending this for some time as well, for some of those exact same routes!!! This, and earlier things today have gotten you a spot on my RU list.

Quoting Dartland (Reply 4):
Flying public will notice having to transfer between F terminal and A/B/C at PHL

You already do, at least for MDT, ABE, AVP, etc. Maybe not for DCA as I'd think that does go mainline primarily, and probably will stay 737/319 for the capacity.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 1):


It would be a perfect match for US but the flying public is "scared" of props.

They're already flying props on those same routes, its typically a mix of prop/RJ depending on time of day and whatnot... since 50 seat DH-8s are hard to come by and at some times those intra-PA routes need 50+ seats of capacity.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:36 pm

I think the ERJ-170's/190's and the Q400 are going to be the future saviors of the major airlines. The Q400's numbers are so good, I am surprised more airlines than just Horizon have ordered it. But if oil prices don't drop soon, and I don't think they will, I bet we will see more airlines order it.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:03 pm

The performance aspect of the Q400 is pretty neat. They get you up and down in a hurry and are superpowered rockets, if you can get over the fact that they are based on the smaller Dash 8.

And they tend to be so overpowered that the planes literally break themselves.

Out of all the planes in Horizons fleet, I see the Q400 go on maintanence more than the Q200 or the RJs.

But hey, no plane is perfect, and perhaps it could be considered as part of the breaking in period. Every aircraft has its bugs to work out.

As for the fear of props, I wonder why almost all Horizon Q400s are filled to the brims with passengers...

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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:03 am

I think it's time AC Jazz started replacing its older Dash 8 100's and 300's. AC Jazz President was quoted in one of the airline magazines a few months ago expressing interest in acquiring some Dash 8 Q400's - particularly for high frequency short hops such as YYJ-YVR. He wanted to exchange some of the CRJ-200's being transferred to Jazz for new Q400's.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
How will the average passenger know what type of aircraft they are going to be traveling on when booking a flight? Really, is somebody going to cancel their trip upon seeing the aircraft sitting at their gate?

Usually, they ask at the time of booking and/or their travel agent tells them.

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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:48 am

You would think that there would be some market for those people who are looking for cheaper seats, I don't think the turboprop thing would mess things up too much. there are plenty of jets out there to take care of the people who are scared to fly prop planes, but not enough prop planes for the people who are looking for cheaper tickets. i for one prefer flying props
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:53 am

The Q could also serve as a Carib A/C out of FLL or SJU like AA uses the ATR. Maybe in the future US will be less dependent inter island code share flts and give AA a run for their money out of SJU.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 20):
Usually, they ask at the time of booking and/or their travel agent tells them

That may be true for SOME of the people who book in person, those that do book IN PERSON, however these are two qualifiers that equal to not that many people in total.

Most people I know book a trip anywhere based on price - they want the cheapest trip available, sometimes they have an airline preference, sometimes not but that makes no difference. Ok your trip is $xxx, whew that's nice and cheap, yay. Travel agents normally do not go out of their way to give airplane types, they will give flight numbers and times and sometimes they will tell you if you are flying on an express route or a codeshare. I have yet to come across anyone who had a conversation so in depth as: "May I ask what type of aircraft I will be flying on? A DH4? Ok I don't know anything about aircraft, but in any case, is that by any chance a propeller aircraft?"

Then again, I believe the percentage of travelers booking online is very high and the number is in fact increasing. Same here, some websites will give the aircraft type, some do not. Often it is in a sidenote that people who are price-oriented will not notice or pay attention to. Even in the case they care about reserving their exact seats, the websites are often tricky and only show the fuselage. Lo and behold!

Business travelers are even less likely to have a say when their companies book the trips for them.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:21 am

usairways.com will give you the plane types when you search by schedule (which on their website is the only way to go... search by price gives me a headache just trying to decipher times from flight numbers and whatnot like NW, and UA) The thing is the public might now know the difference between a Dash 8 and a CRJ, except the CRJ says "Canadair Regional Jet" when you click it.
 
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RE: Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:41 pm

Grammar

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 6):
EDIT: Grammer mistake

I agree, The Q400 would be a great solution, but like has been stated previously in this thread. People think their being cheated with props.


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