JN744
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AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:46 am

I have read recently that AA is introducing sleeper seats in business class. They will start putting them in the 763 in 2006 and the 773 in 2007. Does anyone out there know the exact dates when they will be complete?
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:40 am

Quoting JN744 (Thread starter):
773 in 2007

We do not have 773, only 772.
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MGASJO
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:46 am

No exact date. Just estimates, probably some 18 mos from now.
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:11 am

Hmmm. Maybe I will consider flying with them, 18 months from now
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 3):
Hmmm. Maybe I will consider flying with them, 18 months from now

Sleeper seats or not, they will still not get my business for as long as pax are being treated like cattle upon check-in.

[Edited 2005-09-08 02:52:28]
 
JN744
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:56 am

American is the best airline I have ever flow, and I have flow a lot. They offer the best service and are by far the nicest FAs.

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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:00 am

Quoting JN744 (Reply 5):
American is the best airline I have ever flow, and I have flow a lot. They offer the best service and are by far the nicest FAs.

Amen to that. The start day for the 763's is actually first quarter 06' and for the 777's first quarter 07'. Expect the 763's to be done by I would say May or June. I can not wait until this happens, will definitely take advantage of them.
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 6):

Amen to that. The start day for the 763's is actually first quarter 06' and for the 777's first quarter 07'. Expect the 763's to be done by I would say May or June. I can not wait until this happens, will definitely take advantage of them.

I am flying to LGW from DFW in March '06 in business and I hope that I can sleep lying flat.

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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:14 am

Well according to AA, the two-class Boeing 767-300ERs will receive the new lie flat seats first early on 2006s, and the three-class Boeing 777-200ERs will receive the lie flat J seats on 2007.

My only problem is that this installation is way too slow and by 2007, BA, CX, and SQ and other top airlines will have introduced the new generation of lie flat seats. AA seems to remain behind in the premium market.

For March 06, I am not sure... even if some 763s get the new seats, it is hard to predict which route will feature the new seats.

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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:18 am

Quoting CessnaLady (Reply 4):
Sleeper seats or not, they will still not get my business for as long as pax are being treated like cattle upon check-in.

As opposed to MX, AM, IB and countless others? They call economy class cattle class for a reason. Now, if you fly 'em a bit (one trip to London will do it) you can earn status and not have to wait in the moo-line. I have top-tier status with them.

I've earned CO platinum and DL gold in the past... I have a friend at DL who keeps begging me to switch over and fly 'em... and promises a land of milk and honey and all the upgrades I can stand (if I'm not in paid J already). AA does me right, well enough that even the aforementioned siren song couldn't lure me away. Once you've had the Executive Platinum desk creative-think you out of a jam, you'll be sold for life.
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:47 pm

The first 763 with the new J seats will start flying the system in Spring 2006. That plane will fly a variety of routes to guage passenger and crew perceptions through the summer. After that, any necessary adjustments and changes will be made and the installation of the new seats and upgraded interior fleet-wide will begin in the fall. No matter how you put it, it's a long process. AA is prudent in taking its time to ensure the product meets all expectations and works well for crews and passengers alike. In the end, it will be a better product because of the lengthy timeline.

As far as other airlines one-upping AA once AA shows us the new design, well, that's just the way it goes in the airline industry. It's a cyclical cycle, each airline is always playing catch up to the latest and greatest. It's not too long before yesterday's best is tomorrow's worst.
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RE: AA Business Class

Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:21 pm

Sort of like BA First Suites...

When it first came out, it became the first real first class experience, and after half a decade, BA F becomes an outdated product... even CI, TG, and KE introduce better seats and suites...

But I feel that AA can indeed take one step ahead like NZ -- installing a real J flat bed product (not like those low lie flat seats)... It may also be about time to reveal if F class is really necessary in the US markets. Other airlines like CO, DL and NW seem to do well without First class. Maybe when F is filled with mostly upgraded folks or employees, why bother?

Anyway, with fuel prices going up the roof, I wonder if this project will suffer any delay.

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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:07 am

If AA took out F class for US markets, I would stop using them. I am one of those people who use upgrades to fly F class and would look at my other options.
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting CessnaLady (Reply 4):
Sleeper seats or not, they will still not get my business for as long as pax are being treated like cattle upon check-in.

I don't know of any airline whose boarding process doesn't resemble a cattle call. WN of course takes the cake, but all airlines have this problem. I was disappointed in AA last week, when I flew in First, yet no one was enforcing the boarding group process. People in Group 4 busted to the front of the line and were allowed to board prior to First, Group 1, etc.

When I fly in economy, I respect the rules. I wish airlines would do a better job of enforcing the groups/rows in the boarding process. However, this is primarily the fault of the immature passenger who "must" get on the plane first. I hate that attitude.
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting JN744 (Reply 12):
If AA took out F class for US markets

There are no plans for this. In fact, AA recently reconfigured the MD-80s to add two more seats to first class. Having a first class cabin is a must for the AAdvantage program.
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:50 am

I meant for International markets, going to a two-class product instead of three class...

I guess there will always be a premium class because of elites and upgrades. But on International flights, some thinking must be done especially amount of revenues received in F class. AA is already using two-class cabin on lots of secondary European markets like Zurich, but I guess some markets like Tokyo and London still call for F class.

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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:15 am

Quoting Carfield (Reply 15):
I meant for International markets, going to a two-class product instead of three class...

I guess there will always be a premium class because of elites and upgrades. But on International flights, some thinking must be done especially amount of revenues received in F class. AA is already using two-class cabin on lots of secondary European markets like Zurich, but I guess some markets like Tokyo and London still call for F class.

Another draw is the easy upgradeability from J to F on AA... thus those authorized to buy J tickets but not F would choose AA as they can get an F seat for the J price and a few miles. I have yet to find a carrier with a superior J class to the Flagship Suite. Service, yes but nowhere close in comfort.
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting Carfield (Reply 15):
But on International flights, some thinking must be done especially amount of revenues received in F class.

There's no thinking involved. Some markets demand and require F. That manes LHR. That means NRT. That means MIA-EZE. These are markets where have an F product is still a highly profitable proposition and is completely justified.

Quoting Carfield (Reply 15):
AA is already using two-class cabin on lots of secondary European markets like Zurich, but I guess some markets like Tokyo and London still call for F class.

Exactly. AA could never even hope to be competitive on U.S.-LHR flights against BA and UA if it didn't have an F class.
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:23 am

Quoting JN744 (Reply 5):
American is the best airline I have ever flow, and I have flow a lot. They offer the best service and are by far the nicest FAs.

It depends. If you fly First/Business then, yes, I have found AA's service to be quite good. However, their cattle class product is a total embarrassment.

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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
AA could never even hope to be competitive on U.S.-LHR flights against BA and UA if it didn't have an F class.

And I just had the pleasure of flying in F class LHR-BOS today on AA flight 109 with an absolutely superb group of flight attendants, the Flagship Suite and all the food and drink (excellent quality too!) I could get down!
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:37 am

I have to say I think AA J is pretty poor. Food good, service good (if functional, very little style), but the seat poor. And overall very little sense of occasion or finesse...
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:55 am

Quoting Carfield (Reply 15):
I guess there will always be a premium class because of elites and upgrades. But on International flights, some thinking must be done especially amount of revenues received in F class. AA is already using two-class cabin on lots of secondary European markets like Zurich, but I guess some markets like Tokyo and London still call for F class.

The 3:00 flight to LGW from DFW is serviced by the 763. CDG is only serviced by the 763 and I don't consider Paris a secondary European city.
 
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RE: AA Business Class

Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:30 am

They would put 777s on their CDG routes if they had enough, plus the 3rd daily LGW flight with the 763 doesnt need the F class because it is taken care of with the other 2 flights. There is no need to dump too much capcity on that route (or it could just be the lack of 777s just like with CDG). They would use the 777 to SCL and more to GRU and more to EZE as well, plus more Asian routes.

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