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Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:58 am

Lufthansa and Swiss Airlines have applied with DOT for their first trans-Atlantic codeshares. Effective once approval is received, Swiss will codeshare on Lufthansa's Los Angeles-Munich service, while the Lufthansa code will be placed on Swiss' Miami-Zurich and Los Angeles-Zurich flights.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf93/344591_web.pdf
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:07 pm

Why only these three routes and not all routes between US - Switzerland/Germany?
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LA

Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 1):
Why only these three routes and not all routes between US - Switzerland/Germany?

I am sure it will eventually be expanded to include all trans-Atlantic routes.

In the case of the Miami route, this is probably to offset the traffic fall-off the route gets from losing the AA codeshare. MIA-ZRH is one of Swiss' best-performing trans-Atlantic routes, and LX/LH are hoping that by putting an LH code, they can make-up for the traffic the route will lose from AA codeshares and keep it performing well. LH won't be operating MIA-MUC this winter, either, leaving the MIA-MUC market to LTU, so it can pick-up the slack from that market as well.
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:31 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
In the case of the Miami route, this is probably to offset the traffic fall-off the route gets from losing the AA codeshare.

Wasn't there a thread some days ago where it was said that LX will not immediately end all it's codeshares with AA?
I haven't anything yet about finishing AA and replacing them with UA.
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:27 pm

The codeshare with AA will eventually -likely at the onset of the Summer 2006 season- be phased out. The addition of the LH code to the ZRH-MIA flight is a clear sign that this is expected to be the most vulnerable of transatlantic flights ex ZRH after the AA codeshare will end. However, there seems to be a commitment from LH to keep the route going, as evidenced by this codeshare proposal and the lack of MUC-MIA operation this upcoming winter.
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:37 pm

I remember about 10 years ago LAUDA had a flight Vienna to Los Angeles via Munich with an LH code share. It flopped and was discontinued after about 1 year.
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:50 pm

What do you think, do they keep both flights, ZRH-LAX and MUC-LAX? Or will perhaps the ZRH-LAX flight be discontinued in favor of some new India or China flights out of Zurich?
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:17 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Swiss will codeshare on Lufthansa's Los Angeles-Munich service

About time they shift LX ops from T1 to T2 at MUC, then. Either that, or they provide RDS for transit passengers. Walking from C arrivals to H10-something is nothing to look forward to.
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:24 pm

Swiss will operate from T2 in MUC.
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:27 pm

Quoting SR3496 (Reply 8):
Swiss will operate from T2 in MUC.

Effective when?
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:28 pm

Quoting Semsem (Reply 5):
I remember about 10 years ago LAUDA had a flight Vienna to Los Angeles via Munich with an LH code share. It flopped and was discontinued after about 1 year.

I don't know about a VIE-MUC-LAX flight, but NG had a VIE-MUC-MIA flights for a long time, served both with B763 and B772.

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 6):
What do you think, do they keep both flights, ZRH-LAX and MUC-LAX? Or will perhaps the ZRH-LAX flight be discontinued in favor of some new India or China flights out of Zurich?

MIA has always been a better performer than LAX for both SR and LX. However, LX/LH likely expect a drop off in revenue on ZRH-MIA and try to anticipate this by placing the LH on the flight and not restarting MUC-MIA.

If a transatlantic route from ZRH is to get the axe, my money is therefor on LAX. Notwithstanding consistently high loads, this route has always been one of the weakest performers for both SR and LX, together with SFO and IAD, which have since been dropped.
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:34 pm

 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
If a transatlantic route from ZRH is to get the axe, my money is therefor on LAX. Notwithstanding consistently high loads, this route has always been one of the weakest performers for both SR and LX, together with SFO and IAD, which have since been dropped.

I've asked this question previously of others (but have yet to get a response): How do you know the profitability of the LAX-ZRH route? I ask this because I manage the airline contracts of a large SoCal company, and I know several companies here that have contracts with Swiss, so obviously I am interested in the route's viability. I am interested to hear if you have inside information into the specific route's profitability, or if you are merely speculating.
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting EDDM (Reply 7):
About time they shift LX ops from T1 to T2 at MUC,

From October on. Swiss will change terminals in FRA and MUC as LH does in ZRH.
Already mentioned in a thread:
LH And OS To Change Terminal In ZRH
 
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:42 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
I don't know about a VIE-MUC-LAX flight, but NG had a VIE-MUC-MIA flights for a long time, served both with B763 and B772.

yes when they started the VIE-MUC-US flights they operated beside MIA also LAX (I think it was a 2 x weekly service), but as mentioned before the LAX flight was without success and they stopped soon the service to LAX from MUC, the MIA flight was for years very good booked...

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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 6):
What do you think, do they keep both flights, ZRH-LAX and MUC-LAX? Or will perhaps the ZRH-LAX flight be discontinued in favor of some new India or China flights out of Zurich?

LAX is one of LX's best performing routes, but also one of the longer ones and their lack of aircraft has hurt the route as it is not daily. Additionally, the dropping of THR has hurt the route. Still, they fill the plane, in all 3 classes.
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RE: Swiss/Lufthansa To Begin Codesharing To MIA/LAX

Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
LAX is one of LX's best performing routes, but also one of the longer ones and their lack of aircraft has hurt the route as it is not daily. Additionally, the dropping of THR has hurt the route. Still, they fill the plane, in all 3 classes.

As a matter of fact, LAX has always been and continues to be a transatlantic problem destination ex ZRH. Granted, load factors are great, but the route is firmly in the red on a year-round basis and has been so since the final years of Swissair. After the closing of SFO and IAD (ATL was also closed, but for different reasons), LAX is now the worst performing transatlantic LX destination.