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EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:26 pm

Hi Everybody

I've just had a look on the EK website and they've got a flash
demonstration of the classes on their new 777-300ER's.

What really really surprised me, was the fact these new aircraft did NOT
have the same sleeper flat beds in business class that are used on the mighty
A345.

Why the hell not? The 773ER is flying long hauls to places like Sydney and Auckland... routes that you actually do want to get some sleep on. I can understand the standard RR powered 773's flying from Dubai to places like Milan perhaps not requiring them... but for the longer legs East this just doesn't seem good enough? What does everybody think? For me, there would be no way I would purchase a 773ER flight in business given the choice of the A345.
 
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:00 pm

Do the business class seats on the A340-500 recline all the way? There is one photo that shows a man sleeping and the seat does not seem to be reclined all the way.

The first class on the B777-300ER looks pretty nice though! Even though you are not in your own little compartment.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:25 pm

J class on the A345 is not a flat bed. Only F has the flat bed on the A345. The seats in the new 773ER are almost identical to the A345, save for the hood over the seat in J and the enclosed suite in F.

Trust me, the J class seat is very comfortable on both aircraft  zzz 
 
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:31 pm

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 2):
Trust me, the J class seat is very comfortable on both aircraft

I'll take a 160 degree cradle over an inclined flat seat any day. Of course the real flat beds in first are the mac daddy and the daddy mac.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:16 pm

Interesting here. Seems like EK now has 3 different F classes, and business seems a little like it as well. Changing all the time. I wonder if EK's A380's will have the same F class as on the A345 or 773ER, or another new one.
Apart from that, the F class still looks comfortable on their 773ER, as well as C.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:44 pm

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 2):
The seats in the new 773ER are almost identical to the A345

They look very different to me

for a start they are all leather on the A345


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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 5):
They look very different to me

for a start they are all leather on the A345

Those are the first class seats.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:28 am

But EK isn't flying those 773ER on the same ultra-long-hauls that the A345s do. The main purpose of the ER was to be able to take off from DXB fully loaded and fly medium-longhauls. I read that in a magazine some time ago.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:00 am

From looking at Emirates schedules it appears that the B777-300ER will not be flying to Australia in the summer, the A340-500 will.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:00 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 8):
From looking at Emirates schedules it appears that the B777-300ER will not be flying to Australia in the summer, the A340-500 will.

77W flies at least the DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:41 am

The big armchair C class on the 773ER look remarkably like the First Class on the B772 and A330 they have. The armchair looks great and I think it would be equally as comfy as the flat bed. However the older Business Class with its 47inch seat pitch would seriously put me off flying with Emirates.

And, with the continuing bad repor of F/A service it does not envoke a serious amount of confidence in an airline that prides itself on reputation.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:42 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
I'll take a 160 degree cradle over an inclined flat seat any day. Of course the real flat beds in first are the mac daddy and the daddy mac.

I have to agree. For me, every "sorta" flat bed (bed on a slant, etc) has been far less comfortable that a cradling type seat.

Now, MH F seats...yeah, those work  Smile

But as far as flat "light" beds, they should all be tossed away as junk.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:48 am

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 11):
But as far as flat "light" beds, they should all be tossed away as junk.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:18 am

I think there is way too much hype about them, and clearly I would agree with the comments made by some of you guys. Unless Airlines really make the seats truely flat like BA and South African it is very difficult to sell them as an improvement over the older chairs.

One thing which I have stressed in the past is the oppotunity for airlines that still use the arm chair seat; AA, UA, AC and so on. With extensive seat pitches (55inches or more) the leg rest needs only to be raised/ strengthened up to give the legs the impression that they are being supported and (so knees straight not bent) you are really lying down. The recline on these carriers is suitable but the leg rests seem only to support the legs if you want to read or watch a movie. Not to sleep! I flew with UA (C- Class) last month and the leg rest was just not good enough, however there was plenty of room between the top of my feet and the back of the fully reclined seat infront.

Flat beds are no longer taboo but if airlines ae going to use them. Please install at least the same ones offered on JAL or ANA which I have heard are exemplary.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting Paul (Reply 13):
Flat beds are no longer taboo but if airlines ae going to use them. Please install at least the same ones offered on JAL or ANA which I have heard are exemplary.

JAL and ANA are the same stuff basically as CX and LX. The CX seat felt terrible after a BA longhaul flight in a FLAT bed, at least I kept sliding down all the time. Service obviously made up for that somewhat, but give me the BA flat bed with whatever service over these angled things.

I think only BA/SA/VS/NZ have FLAT business class beds, not sure about Kenya Airways Premier World??
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:41 am

BA's first class flatbed is da bomb!
 
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:51 am

Well VS/NZ Business Class, if you can call it that. Are truely remarkable prodcuts and offer many advantages normally associated with First Class. It is amazing how those two airlines call their products Business when VS Upper Class prices as of today for a non flexible ticket via their own website would set you back a handsom £4700 rt LHR to SYD.

Plexing.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:56 am

Quoting Paul (Reply 16):
Well VS/NZ Business Class, if you can call it that.

While I agree they are better than usual business, they are still priced at business class levels. BA C to SYD probably prices at close to GBP 4700 as well.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:10 am

The angled flat bed are truly awful. I hate the CO Business Elite ones. I came off the aircraft not only tired but with a major wedgy from continually sliding down the seat. I ended up putting and keeping it in the cradle position.
 
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 14):
I think only BA/SA/VS/NZ have FLAT business class beds

SA's J-class flatbeds on the B744's are pure heaven. IMO even more comfortable than the award winning A343 and A346 flatbeds.


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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting Paul (Reply 13):
I flew with UA (C- Class) last month and the leg rest was just not good enough, however there was plenty of room between the top of my feet and the back of the fully reclined seat infront.

My recent trip with CX in business confirmed the same thing -- I wished the legrest could be raised further to make that horizontal, while I don't mind having a back that was still inclined. That didn't require any more room for the seat and there was definitely enough space for that.
 
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:31 am

the BA flatbed is superb. I still haven't tried a an angle-flat bed, but using the AA J product recently was awful compred to the private, flat BA J product
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:39 am

I meant to say Summer schedule, sorry about that.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:42 am

BA, SA, VS business class:

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I know which one I'd prefer.  
You can also check out the Business class photo album I set up.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:44 am

Ek 772/773/332 is terrible business class. No way around that.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:53 am

isn't EK's J pitch like 21"!?!?
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting BA380 (Reply 25):
isn't EK's J pitch like 21"!?!?

Its not quite that bad!  laughing 

Quoting Paul (Reply 10):
However the older Business Class with its 47inch seat pitch would seriously put me off flying with Emirates.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:09 am

Quoting BA380 (Reply 25):
isn't EK's J pitch like 21"!?!?

EK J is about 47"

What C had about 10 years ago.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:17 pm

Where is the flash site regarding the 77W on the emirates site? I can't find it!
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
The first class on the B777-300ER looks pretty nice though! Even though you are not in your own little compartment.

Not perfect when you are trying to light a shoe bomb without being hassled by some pesky flight attendant.

BA business class bed was great JFK-LHR!
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 18):
The angled flat bed are truly awful. I hate the CO Business Elite ones. I came off the aircraft not only tired but with a major wedgy from continually sliding down the seat. I ended up putting and keeping it in the cradle position.

CO BF on the 777 is like that, not on the 767 and 757. Having just flown both the 777 and 757, I prefer the 757, which I understand is the old BusinessFirst seat from the DC-10. Seems like they got it right back then, then "improved" it over time with the 767 then the newer seat of the 777, each time making it less supportive and more ass numbing and wedgie generating.

The 777 seat would be fine if the cradle option allowed more of a recline. But it is too restricted. 10 more degrees of back recline in the cradle position, and it would be awesome. As it stands, to get any more "recline" you have to put it into 'flat' (170 degree) mode, and that lowers your pelvis and you begin your slide...

Once they upgrade the PTVs on the 757, the international 757 will be the best BF product in their fleet.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:25 pm

Quoting Flydubai (Reply 26):
Its not quite that bad!



Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 27):
Quoting BA380 (Reply 25):
isn't EK's J pitch like 21"!?!?

EK J is about 47"

Flydubai - I was joking, but at 47" (I thought 48", but there ya go), it is poor. AA is 60", UA is 55", BA and VS are flat beds with 6ft+ legroom, so 47" is poor.
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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:07 pm

Quoting BA380 (Reply 31):
Flydubai - I was joking, but at 47" (I thought 48", but there ya go)

Hold on, is that for the 773/772/332/343, or also for the 773ER. I couldn't imagine so. Flying from DXB-BKK-SYD in J with 47 inch pitch. Surely the 773ER must have more than that, or not?
Can someone please clear that up.

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RE: EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting LHB727230Adv (Reply 32):
Hold on, is that for the 773/772/332/343, or also for the 773ER.

47' pitch is for the 332/772/773 not the 773ER. That has up to 60' pitch for long hall.

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