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ASA Between UK And India Agreed -even More Flights

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:49 am

Just thought I would start this on a new topic - its a follow on from "Britain and India to agree on more flights".

Just read this on ZEE News! It brilliant, even more flights to India! Apparently, by next year, these flights may double! Does this make Britain the only coutry in Europe with the greatest access to India?
Slightly off topic, but I think it is great that Britain and India are getting closer. I know the past is littered (and rightly so) with the horrific and brutal truths of colonialism, but there is also much in the past that shows, that even to this day, Britons and Indians have so much in common. I find it frustrating that Britain seems to have forgotten the Commonwealth - nations with whom we have such a rich and deep history - nations with whom without Britain wouild not be as great it is today.
...Sorry, I seem to have gone slightly off subject!
Here is the article!

"India, UK to triple direct passenger flight service

New Delhi, Sept 08: India and Britain today signed an accord to allow the number of direct passenger flights between them to TRIPLE this year from the 84-a-week currently allowed.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who held wide-ranging talks with his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh, said the two sides had helped "cement new modern relationships between the two countries".

The two Prime Ministers inked a deal to triple direct passenger flights between the two countries. Officials sources said the flights could possibly double again next year.

The sources said the accord replaces a 1951 treaty and also includes fair competition guarantees and new safety and security rules as well removing some price restrictions."
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:29 am

This is great news! They might as well have made it an open-skies arrangement - and got rid of limits altogether. But something's better than nothing..

I was sceptical on the ability of the airlines to fill all the current capacity between India and the UK. But on a flight from BOM-LHR on BD last week - I was quite surprised to see the aircraft was completely full!! That's a great sign that the market is growing, as the new entrants are able to fill their aircraft as well.
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:42 am

Just out of curiousity, (and I say this strictly for example, as they don't have the equipment), if US Airways started MAN-BOM flights on an A-330, would they have to negotiate traffic rights, being that they already have an open-skies agreement with India, and if I am not mistaken, doesn't the US and United Kingdom have an open-skies agreement with respect to all matters outside of London, and then bmi could easily slap their code on that MAN-BOM flight?
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:48 am

Well, I guess bmi and Branson are going to have more slots than they know what to do with now! No more complaining like last time.
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:01 am

Courtesy of Behramjee on an earlier thread:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...09/09/stories/2005090902390300.htm

THE UK's two major airlines — British Airways and Virgin Atlantic — are keen to expand operations to South India. While BA is looking at expanding its network to include Hyderabad and Kochi, Virgin is examining the option of operating to Bangalore, Goa and Hyderabad.

"There has already been close to a seven-fold increase in the flights that British Airways offers to South India, which is a very vibrant market. We are now actively looking at Hyderabad and Kochi as possible destinations," the Director of Government and Industry Affairs, British Airways, Mr Andrew Cahn, told Business Line. The airline is to start a five times a week flight from Bangalore in October and increase connectivity from Chennai during the same month.

It has already announced that it will offer a daily flight from both these cities from March next year by which time it would be offering passengers from Delhi and Mumbai the option of choosing from any of the two daily flights that it would have started from both these cities to London. Incidentally, the airline has been expanding services to India faster than any other part of the globe,a senior airline official said.

Echoing similar sentiments about the Indian market, Virgin Atlantic's Chief Executive, Mr Steve Ridgeway, said that in the medium term the airline would look at expanding operations to Bangalore and Hyderabad. "We are also looking at operating to Goa along with Virgin Holidays. It is possible that we start operations to Goa before going to Bangalore or Hyderabad," Mr Ridgeway said.

The two airline executives were in India as part of the official delegation accompanying the British Prime Minister, Mr Tony Blair, on his official visit here.

Asked about the interest of Virgin chief, Sir Richard Branson in picking up a stake in an airline of India, Mr Ridgeway said that the interest was still very much there. "There are still ownership issues that need to be addressed. In fact, this is part of the wider on going debate," he said.
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:37 pm

While this further increase in frequencies is likely to be beneficial to many parties, I'd say the deal seems somewhat detrimental to the Indian carriers, which are suffering from restricted access to Heathrow due to slot availability issues. While BA, and to a lesser extent VS and BD can easily swap a couple of Heathrow slots to further increase their offerings to India, I doubt that Air India will be able to benefit equally.

Does this new agreement herald the start or further expansion of India operations at Gatwick, Manchester or Birmingham by those carriers who cannot get their hands on the necessary Heathrow rights?
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:46 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
I doubt that Air India will be able to benefit equally.

Well if EK, QR and CX can add daily flights to Heathrow, why can AI not do the same? They could by some slots from other carriers like BA did with JP or OU and start daily flights from LHR. Or they could also start flights to LGW. It those services are aimed to be point to point or feeding into AI domestic and international flights from India, serving LGW shouldn't be that bad.
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:13 pm

There are no India-LGW flights just yet but there might be soon as S2 might start services on the DEL-LGW route if they can find a plane. This new ASA however is great. This means that DEL and BOM will have 56 services a week each to LHR. Finding a seat on the flight to London won't be an issue anymore. Yipee!
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:23 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 7):
Finding a seat on the flight to London won't be an issue anymore.

Well I hope that this move will turn away PAX using EK to BA, VS, AI, BD and others. It is time we had some true competition.
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:36 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
Well I hope that this move will turn away PAX using EK to BA, VS, AI, BD and others. It is time we had some true competition.

Don't know about that, the last time I flew to London I flew on OS because I got a seat easily and I know of friends who have been forced to fly KL, AF, LH but then again we didn't have a money issue, and we would all have prefered non-stop direct flights rather than having to haul our sleepy selves through a terminal obscenely early in the morning.
But many people still prefer EK/QR and THY because of price (and connectivity to BHX and MAN) and if you want really cheap - I believe you can't get better than Uzbek airlines. However, more flights might also mean more competitive pricing and not the usual gouging you had on direct DEL-LHR flights. When my mom flew to London earlier this year she paid Rs 45K return in Y+ on BA, a Y-ticket was Rs 37K and AI was Rs 36K but on EK she got Y for Rs 35K and on UL it was Rs 30K with a night in Columbo thrown in. The CIS carriers would have been even cheaper. Keep in mind money still matters for a large number of the O&D traffic between the UK and India.
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:25 pm

I think for the first time ever, British Airways has included Delhi and Mumbai in their World Offers promotion. I just an advert in London, 'Delhi from £399'. I can guarantee, that this price will fall even further by next year when Delhi goes double daily! I think it is brilliant - it was only a couple of months ago when BA fares to Delhi started at about £550/£600!
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:36 pm

Hopefully airfares on the direct flights should hit the Rs25K range, which would be nice, anyway I would rather fly direct anyday!
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RE: ASA Between UK And India Agreed -even More Flights

Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:39 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 11):
Hopefully airfares on the direct flights should hit the Rs25K range, which would be nice, anyway I would rather fly direct anyday

Cricket, I'm assuming your an Indian Citizen, I wanted to ask you what you think about closer Anglo-Indian relations?
I'm guessing you come to Britain regularly - do you like the country, the people compared to other countries you have been to?
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:37 am

Well this had to happen. Too many people are still wondering how these seats will get filled up, but stop comparing the frequencies to what they were in 1995. Instead think of what they can be. India needs to sign agreements like this with every country, from Japan to Australia to everyone. Over the next few years BOM and DEL will easily be able to handle multiple daily flights, even MAA and BLR will be able to handle 3-4 daily flights. Not next month, but in a few years yes.

Quoting Concorde001 (Thread starter):
I know the past is littered (and rightly so) with the horrific and brutal truths of colonialism, but there is also much in the past that shows, that even to this day, Britons and Indians have so much in common

Well I believe I can speak on behalf of most ppl, I don�t think anyone has any hatred (maybe some grandpas). The 'past' was almost 60 years ago, no point worrying about it now. Besides, (please don�t kill me Smile ) the British also did us some good.

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 12):
Cricket, I'm assuming your an Indian Citizen, I wanted to ask you what you think about closer Anglo-Indian relations?
I'm guessing you come to Britain regularly - do you like the country, the people compared to other countries you have been to?

Well you didn�t ask, but I am Indian. Closer Anglo-Indian relations are necessary, good and will happen. All this talk about a hostile past goes over my head; it's a bunch of rubbish. When you mention the UK now peopel think of economic relations, and their family that lives there! Off the topic, London is my favourite city  Smile

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Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting Stealthpilot (Reply 13):
Well you didn�t ask, but I am Indian. Closer Anglo-Indian relations are necessary, good and will happen. All this talk about a hostile past goes over my head; it's a bunch of rubbish. When you mention the UK now peopel think of economic relations, and their family that lives there! Off the topic, London is my favourite city

Thank you for yor opinions! I would love to hear what other Indians think as well! I agree, the British did do alot of good,(and alot of wrong) and if you look at historical texts and other sources, you will finf evidence of alot of Britons who held India close to their hears (Queen Victoria is one of them) and also many Indians who felt the same to Britain!

As for the flights....its brilliant! I hope BA/VS/BD...somone starts direct flights to ATQ!
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:32 pm

Out of interest when does the new terminal at ATQ open?
I think ATQ has a alot of potential - the loads on AI's ATQ-BHX route are impressive - especially in F anc C.
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:23 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 11):
Hopefully airfares on the direct flights should hit the Rs25K range, which would be nice, anyway I would rather fly direct anyday!

But they are that, altough a bit restrictions, when AI and 9W started their afternoon BOM-LHR departures the tickets were priced at 20k and 23k plus taxes respectively.

I do think that BOM-LHR market has a lot of flights atleast by the end of the year. from oct/nov 05

BA--2x daily
vs--daily
BD--daily [happy for them as Nimish said they were full on his flight, they are one carrier i see could go double daily if and when they want as they are a *Alliance carrier who have maximum amount of FF members on LH from India, and people would prefer them to LH on any given day atleast for UK/EU flight]

9W--daily
AI--2x daily plus one BOM-DEL-LHR direct,

Also 9W is very keen on starting a second frequency from BOM to LHR.

All these equate to 7x daily flights between BOM-LHR by the end of this year alone not to mention what will happen within the next few years.
 
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RE: ASA Between UK And India Agreed -even More Flights

Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:23 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 15):
Out of interest when does the new terminal at ATQ open?
I think ATQ has a alot of potential - the loads on AI's ATQ-BHX route are impressive - especially in F anc C.

ATQ does have tons of potential. However, all the major European carriers keep looking at airports in south India, never up in Punjab. I do hope BA/VS/ or LH considers flying to ATQ in the near future. As for the new terminal, the last I heard about it was a halt in construction by the AAI for a last kminute change in design. I have no clue whether or not construction has resumed or not. Just another example of beaureacracy and incompetency in India, the people of Amritsar were promised a new terminal nearly ten years ago!

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