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Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:12 pm

With Aer Lingus due to announce a replacement for its A330 fleet, there are increasingly strong signs that it will go for Boeings rather than Airbuses. Although there could be an element of psychology involved (i.e. not letting Airbus think it has EI "in the bag" just because it operates A320/321s already), I have heard numerous rumours about EI and Boeings - 777s and 787s - in recent years; I haven't heard one rumour about A350s. I get the impression that it leaves EI (as well as most other carriers distinctly cold).

The latest rumour surrounds 11 787s, for delivery from 2008 - which would presumably make them -800s, although I'd expect EI to go for -900s in due course. It's also been rumoured that two 777s will be acquired on wet lease. That particular part of the rumour doesn't seem right; certainly, they may - and probably will get 777s as a stopgap, but I can't see the Irish Airline Pilots Association being very keen on wet leases!

However, I think we can expect an EI Boeing deal before the end of the year.
 
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:45 pm

Why do they want to replace their A330's already. Aren't they less than 10 years old ?
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:57 pm

As you said it could be psychology at work. I like the start of the thread 'With Aer Lingus due to announce a replacement for its A330 fleet'

It took long enough to work out what the Government planned to do with the airline and ownership, I predict the new fleet announcement by October 2024. haha  Big grin
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:46 pm

I think anything that suggests EI are interested in the 787/777 duo is purely tactical.
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:55 pm

Maybe they are trying to get a better deal on the A-350? I hardly see them as a Boeing operator, since as far as I was always able to tell they like the A-330 very much.
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:14 pm

Wouldn't switching to 787 reduce their capacity?
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 1):
Why do they want to replace their A330's already. Aren't they less than 10 years old ?

The A330 fleet at EI isn't owned by them, and they have disposed of others when the leases expired.

It was Willie Walsh who drove the agenda with the Airbus/GE preference, so now he's gone it does give pointers to future BA policy as the chief exec does set the agenda somewhat. There is no reason whatsoever why EI should not give the Boeing product serious attention, and a 767-size aircraft might be a better fit for them than an A350. Same as with LOT.
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting LH477 (Reply 5):
Wouldn't switching to 787 reduce their capacity?

Yes, quite a big decrease on the 333's!

I think the A350 would be better suited for EI, seeing as they already operate a large Airbus fleet, and a A330-A350 transition wouldnt be too costly! Also I think if EI were to get the 787 then they would also need either the larger 900 model or some 777's!

What are EI's loads on all US flights, JFK, LAX...??

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Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:51 am

The A350 seems a better aircraft for Aer Lingus, on grounded Ireland they were talking about the both aircraft and which suited Aer Lingus more and the A350 came out best most of the time. The 787-800 is too small compared to the A330-300 but they would need an aircraft that is able to go the long distances for the new routes expected.
I think the US routes are doing well, I just wish they would upgrade business but I cant see that happening until the new fleet arrives, maybe the leather seats like on the short-haul.
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:54 am

I cant remember the Business class of Aer Lingus long haul and the last time I walked through it was a long time ago.
I was looking on the Aer Lingus website and saw a very small picture on the premier services section and saw the seats were black. Are they really Aer Lingus seats, or just for show?
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 8):
The A350 seems a better aircraft for Aer Lingus, on grounded Ireland they were talking about the both aircraft and which suited Aer Lingus more and the A350 came out best most of the time.

which does not allow for the fact that they now have stronger competition in their own back yard from the US carriers. Their current or previous traffic levels are by no means guaranteed, nor is yield.
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 7):
What are EI's loads on all US flights, JFK, LAX...??

Well I know they always overbook alot out of JFK so therefore a lot of the flights are full. So when that A330 had to be taken out of service for an accident at DUB, they had tons of problems since they overbook. They will probably need a plane like the 330 or bigger for some flights. I think the A350 looks better for them.

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Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:03 am

Like what has been said above, I also believe EI should go for the A350. Aer Lingus is the ideal customer for this aircraft. They already have an A330 fleet (even though they are leased) which shares commonality with the A350. The A350 can also match the capacity of the A330 with added range. The 787, on the other hand, is quite a bit smaller. Unless EI ordered the 777 along with the 787, the 787 would not meet EI's capacity demands.

If Aer Lingus did buy either of these aircrafts, I don't think it would be to replace the A330 fleet, but to help expand there international network.

I would be lining up to buy a ticket if EI ordered either one of these babies.

Like I have said before, just one of those things on EI's "to do" list.

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Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:05 am

The comment was made about the size difference between the A350 and the 787. Is the 787 about the same size as the 767? If so, the A350 wouldn't appear to be a direct competitor nearly so much as a it would be an improvement over an already well proven airplane (A330) and would thus fill the future needs of those airlines already using the A330. And that being the case, the 787 meets the needs of airlines needing 767 replacements. Boeing and Airbus thus would seem to be filling unique niches rather than competing directly as some have suggested.
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
I think anything that suggests EI are interested in the 787/777 duo is purely tactical.

I am inclined to agree although I would like to see them use 777's on a new route to SE Asia or even Australia. As far as transatlantic is concerned EI have the ideal aircraft for their operation in the 330. I think the A350 might be a more suitable replacement for them than the 787. Strange as this might seem, I think a mix of 787/A350 could work for them to replace the A332 and A333. kind of like the happy mix of 777's and A330's a number of airlines operate now. I don't see commonality or brand loyalty being much of a factor. Politics might play a role however it will likely come down to the deal they get from A or B, hence the tactical posturing. I hope they get both.

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Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:45 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
The latest rumour surrounds 11 787s, for delivery from 2008 - which would presumably make them -800s,

If that is correct( I know it's a bit of an if), then EI must be one of the carriers to have reserved delivery positions with refundable deposits. You couldn't get 788s any other way in 2008.
For those of you who say the 787 is too small for EI, well maybe the 333 is too big. The mentioned wet-lease 777s would address the higher density routes and future 789 orders could also address that issue. Additionally,it is well known EI could operate 787s in a 9-abreast format with equivalent seat comfort to 8-abreast 330s. Turns the 788 into pretty much a 290-300 seater.
I also think EI may be looking at ordering more 787s than they have 330s at the moment to increase frequencies to certain destinations and open up new routes.
This sounds very plausible to me and all whispers I have heard concur that EI has always favoured the 787 over any of the many 350 iterations.
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:00 pm

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 15):
This sounds very plausible to me and all whispers I have heard concur that EI has always favoured the 787 over any of the many 350 iterations.

I think EI is considering both aircraft very carefully. The 787 has its advantages as well as the A350. EI just has to decide which is better for the airline. Both aircraft have a chance with EI.

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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:43 pm

I'm going to have to disagree with most posts in this thread and say the 787/777 combination would work very well from EI. If the JFK flights are overbooked as mentioned above, they can put a 777 on that route and have a slight increase in capacity. On the thinner transatlantic and any future medium/long-haul work can be done by the 787-8/-9. Either way, EI will probably be ordering the aircraft with an eye to expanding to new markets.
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:17 pm

any restrictions at Dub they have to consider i.e. length of runway, when they consider A versus B for new routes ?
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:27 pm

Although I believe the A350 is the favorite in this decision. I must say that just because their current flights are almost always full, that does not necessarily mean they need a bigger aircraft.

Perhaps they intend to increase frequencies?
Perhaps despite loads the yield is low on a route, so perhaps downsizing to a smaller more efficient aircraft to increase yields would work out better?

Or perhaps they have seen the merits of a 777/787 fleet. The 787 has 3 types for 3 missions that all have the same cockpit but are designed to be more efficient in 3 separate ways. Essentialy 3 different aircraft in one package.

Then the 777, its economics are well known. And if EI really do need bigger aircraft, perhaps the 777 is it.

Now don't get me wrong folks. I'm not saying any of this is right or that because of either of this, Boeing has the deal in hand.
This is just an attempt to show that you can't always assume one aircraft has a fairer chance than the other based purely on loads or current fleet like many are doing here. The theories have their merits, yes, but don;t take all this into account.
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:30 pm

EI has three A332 and four A333. So, listening to THEM and not our often incorrect peers posting here, a 787 is not too small for their needs. For highly efficient shorter routes with high passenger counts, the 783 would be just about ideal. The problem with planes that are too big is that they are only efficient when they are full and they kill you when they are empty.

Given that there are only about four weeks of summer in Ireland  Smile and their tourist season is a few months, you don't need a A350 lumbering all year on the route. Since there is no "small" A350, the combination of 787s would do the trick quite nicely with maybe a A350 or 777 replacing it for a short time.
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:28 pm

Quoting Cityjet (Reply 18):
any restrictions at Dub they have to consider i.e. length of runway, when they consider A versus B for new routes ?

Let us hope that Aer Rianta wpuld have extended the runways (or added a new one!) at DUB by the time EI would recieve their planes.

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Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:37 pm

Just to comment on a few previous posts, I am aware of the possibility that EI might be playing games to try and get a better deal out of Airbus (and acknowledged this possibility in the first post); however, I have my ear to the ground on anything regarding EI and fleet plans and in the past year or so, virtually every rumoured (and these would not be rumours circulated by the company) has involved Boeings. Indeed, before this, it was rumoured that EI was more interested in 777s. However, it is expected that any 787 deal will - as indicated - involve an interim deal for 777s. I'd expect it to be more than just the two mentioned.

I don't think EI is alone in being left cold by the 350; indeed, despite last night's signing of the QR order, the numbers are stacked very much in the 787's favour. I get the impression that airlines are suspicious of Airbus's figures. They're talking about a rehashed A330 which just happens to beat the 787 in every way and I think airlines are asking how a rehash of an existing - albeit very popular design - can beat an all new model; they're also looking at current Airbus models, like the A340-5/600 which are falling short on promised performance. You must remember that for many, if not all, of the airlines ordering 787s, this aircraft represents the future for them; it's not just something that happens in 2008-10, it's an aircraft that must last them for 10+ years, so they're also asking if a rehash of an existing design will cut it, while their competitors go for something all new.

Yes, of course, EI will be (from late next month) an all-Airbus airline, with the retirement of the last 737-500s, ending a 36 year relationship with the 737 in various forms. It's not hard to see why people would expect EI to go for the 350, but commonality doesn't really work if the aircraft itself doesn't fit the bill. Indeed, even that might be unfair; if they got the 350, it might well serve them as well as the 330 did (and it served EI superbly), but EI appears to believe that the 787 would do the job better.

I'm a little surprised by the interest in the -800, but I'd say that they will certainly be an operator of the -900 when it becomes available. It could well be that if EI takes on 777s, these aircraft would continue until the -900 is available, rather than being let go once the -800s comes onstream. The -800 is around the same size as the 332, so it would probably be a replacement for that model, while the 777 would replace the 330-300s, which are a more important target for replacement.

Let's hope something comes out of this; from what I hear, we won't be waiting for too long. I've heard reports of an announcement by the end of next month.
 
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Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:42 pm

BTriple7, they should of course lengthen the existing runway, but somehow I doubt it. The DAA (Dublin Airport Authority), which replaced Aer Rianta, has no current plans to lengthen it and the govt is not particularly interested in aviation policy, so it's unlikely to force them.

The new runway is expected to be operational in 2012.

That said, however, the light weight of the 787 (due to use of lighter materials) will contribute to a lower T/O length requirement, so EI should be okay to use the existing runway for its planned new long haul flights. The 777 would probably be restricted to former (current) 333 routes, so it might be okay. However, they're not doing it just for Aer Lingus and the economy would benefit from a longer runway, as this would allow longer nonstop flights, which is of particular importance to airlines in a time of high fuel costs.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:50 pm

I think Kaitak summed it all up really well in the posts above. If EI were to purchase the 787, they would most likely order the 777 along with it. The 787 is also a lot more grounded than the A350. The A350 is only in the premature stages of design. The A350 is probably the better aircraft for EI right now, but Dermot Mannion might have some major plans for EI internationally, involving Boeing.

Of course, it might all be part of EI's game to get the best deal.

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Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:31 am

I think the reason why EI is seriously looking at the 787-8 and 787-9 is the fact the A350 may offer less commonality with the A330 than what EI wants, given that Airbus Industrie appears to be doing a lot of new internal systems for the A350 (probably at EK's request) which owes nothing to the A330 internal systems.
 
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Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:31 am

As usual I think Kaitak has summed it up. I think everything being equal (delivery dates especially) then EI would go for the 787. In the mean time the 777 will fill in and allow new routes to be opened, namely into Asia and South Africa. Think EI's life without Boeing after the 737s are all gone will be a short lived one
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting MrComet (Reply 20):
Given that there are only about four weeks of summer in Ireland and their tourist season is a few months,

Oops, I feel that you're slightly beside the truth!

Since I've emigrated some 20 years ago, and with many return trips to my Emerald Isle, I feel that I've never been disappointed once by the weather there...and even if it were to be so...that's part of the trip...part of the discovery...part of the time to be spent with family or friends in a pub, a shop, or elsewhere, with the gab and the chat to go...

Tourism is one of the reasons why airline tickets are sold, seats sold equal investment, therefore aircraft built and sold, and economies upheld...

Tourism can be done all year round, it's over to you for your enjoyment...

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Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting IrishMD11 (Reply 27):
Tourism can be done all year round, it's over to you for your enjoyment...

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Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:08 pm

New roumer that instead of taking interm 777s before 787s arrive (if they do), EI are interested in 3 Air Transat 330s.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:14 pm

Is there any credible source for this or it's just another Boeing boys wishful thinking thread?

On the other hand it will be really interesting to see how Boeing delivers all those 787 in 2008 as almost every airline that ordered it claims they will get it in 2008.
 
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:25 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 29):
New roumer that instead of taking interm 777s before 787s arrive (if they do), EI are interested in 3 Air Transat 330s.

That would probably be the cheaper solution. I am assuming EI wouldn't outfit Air Transat's A330s with any updated IFE or different seats. The planes would probably be like most of EI's current A330s.

One question:
Would they lease those planes from Air Transat?

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Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:23 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 30):
Is there any credible source for this or it's just another Boeing boys wishful thinking thread?

On the other hand it will be really interesting to see how Boeing delivers all those 787 in 2008 as almost every airline that ordered it claims they will get it in 2008.

Nobody said they are all to be delivered in 2008. The thread states that boeing has (apparently) offered EI 11 787s with delivery from 2008, with 777s to fill the gap between now and then. It surfaced after boeing held their 787 presentation in Dublin.

Some articles (NOT the source's of, or related to either roumer):
www.belfasttelegraph.co.u...ory=660670
u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=64773&pt=n

There are no boeing boys posting this info BTW.

The 330 part of the story surface on pprune, but interestingly has been removed.

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 31):
Would they lease those planes from Air Transat?

Not sure mate, ive seen very little info on this. But I dont see why EI would buy planes that they presumably ntend to keep only for a number of years.

What engines to Air Transats 330s have?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:28 am

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What engines to Air Transats 330s have?


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Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:57 am

I wonder if there is any other airline Aer Lingus can lease a few A330s from, but I would prefer if they just got the 11 787s and 777s instead of another A330 lease.
It will never happen but it would be great after all this speculation that they announce an order for both the A350 and 787!!!  cloudnine 
 
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:05 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 34):
It will never happen but it would be great after all this speculation that they announce an order for both the A350 and 787!!!

Never say never!!!

For all we know, EI might do just that. They may want a smaller, longer range aircraft (787), and a larger aircraft that is more fuel efficient than the 777 (A350). Afterall the 787 and 777 don't have that much in common.

Then there will a post saying, Aer Lingus Orders 787 and A350!!!. It will probably have 200+ replies and 10,000+ views.  Wow!

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Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:10 am

Yes, this plot is thickening very interestingly. The thread on PPRUNE was withdrawn, although not because the allegations were false. EI is looking at Air Transat A330s, which are - as stated above - RR Trent powered.

Although I don't think these are PTV equipped, EI would be retrofitting them - and the current A330s; the new CEO is acutely aware of how perceptions of EI's long haul service have gone down sharply and with the airline having its eye on long haul flights to SA and Asia, they really don't want to start off on the wrong foot. Not having a decent IFE system would achieve just that.

Even if EI does get Air Transat's 332s (which will include the famous Azores glider*), I don't think that necessarily rules out 777s; remember that these 332s will be for increased capacity, not replacement and the 333s - which for weight and performance reasons can't be retrofitted with a modern IFE system - need to be replaced. Possibilities? Olympic A340s or Delta 777s? With the state of the widebody market at the moment, you just have to take whatever's going, even if - as in this case - it isn't exactly what you wanted. EI would prefer GE powered 332s, but these are hard to come by (well, impossible), so they'll have to take Trents. Not the end of the world; if they get 787s, RR Trents - as chosen by most airlines already - might be chosen. (What's the other choice, by the way?)

We should know soon; from what I understand, a decision should be made by the end of next month.

As to which models and delivery dates, -300s are out, so it's going to be -800s (around the same size as 332s) and -900s. I'd expect that whatever aircraft replaces the 333s would continue in service until the 787-900s arrive, if indeed EI does go for 787s. Airbus will try to push EI towards 350s with a very good deal, I'm sure, but I don't see 350s in EI's future.

(*Can't wait to see the Irish media's reaction when they find out about 'GITS; all sorts of ill-informed comment and no doubt some wag suggesting that it can be very useful on the DUB-SNN sector; climbing out, then gliding down to SNN!)
 
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:10 am

Theres not a chance of them getting both 350 and 787. Whatever happens, EI are definitly going to be getting either 777s or 330s soon (ie within the next year). We should know whether in the long term its gonna be 350s or 787s within the next 4 weeks.
 
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting Cityjet (Reply 18):
any restrictions at Dub they have to consider i.e. length of runway, when they consider A versus B for new routes ?

DUBs runway is 2637 metres long. A new 2nd runway of 3110 metres is sheduled to open in 2012.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 36):
if they get 787s, RR Trents - as chosen by most airlines already - might be chosen. (What's the other choice, by the way?)

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Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:17 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 37):
Theres not a chance of them getting both 350 and 787. Whatever happens, EI are definitly going to be getting either 777s or 330s soon (ie within the next year).

There is nothing wrong with dreaming.

Seriously though, the chances of EI going for the 787 and the A350 is very slim.

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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:25 am

Im hoping for 777s and 787s but who knows. EI are sure to condider 10 abreast if they were to get T7s. Would fit well into their low cost model.

[Edited 2005-09-13 19:29:04]
 
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Btriple7
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):
EI are sure to condider 10 abreast if they were to get T7s. Would fit well into their low cost model.

I hope that's a joke.

I would never fly EI if they configured their 777s like that!  crowded 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:41 am

Aer Lingus would be on my list of airlines to fly with 10 abreast! It would look like a sea of blue and green and lots of PVTs with "welcome" but not that great on regards to comfort! crowded 
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:51 am

I hope Mannion is listening...on my knees i am begging you not to go 10 abreast.(That is IF EI choose 777's)  crowded  =  Sad
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:58 am

I don't think he will have 10 abreast if they get the 777.
I want to know if they are going to get a new livery but not a crappy low-cost/website all over it, but a simple and clean one that keeps the shamrock and the green but gets the website across, although I love the current one it does not look right. When I get on the newer A230s and see black leather and not green cloth I feel like I am on the wrong airline. I don't think they will get a new one but I can think of new ones that will look good to amuse myself when I am bored.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:52 am

Mr. Mannion has spoken of his plans to add new EI routes; an announcement is expected within the next month and the airline is expected to announce its new fleet choice by the end of the year (rather than by the end of next month).

The word, at present, is that EI will be taking Air Transat's three A330-200s, but these will be pretty significantly retrofitted, with new IFE systems, before entering EI service.

As for new routes, a lot will depend on EI transatlantic access rights and with the Irish government being pretty reluctant to do anything about this (that's so unlike them!), it will probably be HKG and CPT to start with. DXB is also a strong possibility, but my understanding is that EK will be operating this as a codeshare.

If you go to the AERTEL website, you'll see the story in full.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:58 am

While going through the news section, I found the following comments, in an interview DM gave to Reuters:

The carrier was also talking to Boeing (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Airbus (EAD.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) about buying new aircraft -- regardless of the privatisation plans -- and hoped to make a decision by the end of the year, he said.

"The fleet expansion, we're moving ahead on .... I'm very hopeful that we will make that decision by the end of this year."

A tight market meant it would be a while before new aircraft were delivered, but Mannion said he hoped there was enough flexibility within its existing fleet to be able to launch at least one new, long-haul route next year.

Leasing may also be a short-term option, he added. "We would like to grow the fleet by finding more units of the existing types we use today."
 
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Btriple7
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RE: Aer Lingus Interested In 787!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:30 am

I had heard rumors that EI was going to drop the LAX route and move to SFO, but since EI will acquiring new aircraft, will SFO be the new first international route for EI?

On a side-note, I doubt Dermot Mannion would foolishly configure the 777 with 10-abreast (or a 787 with 9-abreast). They would lose more customers than they would gain with the extra capacity.

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