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Air Madrid Developing BCN

Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:46 pm

Air Madrid will start flying out of BCN to SCL, LIM, EZE, BOG, CTG and MEX(Toluca) non-stop. interesting that IBeria and/or Latin carrriers never developed routes to from BCN to Latin America, even thou the city has a large population and its a hub for European services. Any plans from any LAtin carriers or IB to compete ?
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:03 am

I have been thinking the same thing. Air Plus Comet will start flying out of Barcelona but to China.

I thought that Iberia might start a couple of South American destinations from BCN using a A340-300. From what I have seen, please correct me if I am wrong, Iberia's routes out of MAD to the America's are very profitable. I don't know if flying the same routes as some of the ones in Madrid would be a good choice because they would possibly loose loads on the Madrid flights.

Iberia will be starting a low-cost division of the airline soon based in Barcelona and operate A320s on routes to Europe. The compition at BCN is mainly Vueling.

This is very much in my opion, I have noticed that in the states some people when they here Spain only think Barcelona.
I lived in Madrid this past year and I found it to be an amazing city! There is a lot to do and things to see. I have also been to Barcelona four times and find that the city is kind of dirty compared to Madrid, the city is run by a younger crowd, and people only go for the beach and Gaudí.

If passengers flying from the America's to Madrid want to go to Barcelona it is really simple, you can take the Puente Aero offered by four airlines with many flights a day at cheap prices.

It would not make much sense for Iberia to start flights out of Barcelona to the America's because they already have a strong international network out of Madrid and they would end up loosing loads on those flights as well as on the Puente Aero.

Again this post was written in my personal opion.


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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:05 am

Andahuailas,
I think BCN keeps the same situation as Rio de Janeiro. Very close to another important city (Madrid and Sao Paulo) with a good shuttle service (in fact both SDU-CGH and MAD-BCN are probably very strong operations), so several airliners will run MAD and not BCN. How about US-BCN service ?
Air Madrid could be very smart in this move as BCN is an important destination.
In Brazil there are no plans to fly BCN (RG in fact is using a single aircraft on GRU-MAD-GRU and PU runs the MVD-GIG-MAD with only one aircraft too).
But a BCN-GRU flight three times per week probably could be interesting. JJ is looking for RG situation and could start a new route next year when they will receive 2 A332 back from Etihad.
Probably spanish latin america keeps more demand for a BCN flight.

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
How about US-BCN service ?

USAirways and Delta fly to Barcelona, and there has always been the consistent rumours that AA is coming. They announced BCN in 2003, but it never started.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:22 am

I can definitely see MIA-BCN even if it's only seasonal.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
Probably spanish latin america keeps more demand for a BCN flight.

Yes , you're right. Recently AR announced the starting of a new twice weekly service on the EZE-BCN route. I suppose that Aerolineas Argentinas is the first (and unique at the moment) latin american carrier to reach directly BCN.
Note that AR only flies to Madrid and Rome in Europe , so the Barcelona flight comes before London , Paris , Frankfurt , Amsterdam.....and other important european cities etc

AR starts to fly to BCN on 4th Oct '05 with A342

Bye

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting Lxsaab2000 (Reply 5):
that Aerolineas Argentinas is the first (and unique at the moment) latin american carrier to reach directly BCN.

Cubana flies to Barcelona seasonally; has for years.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:57 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
Iberia will be starting a low-cost division

Even though a few things have been said and a probable name has been mentioned, the truth is that nothing more has been announced. It doesn't seem to be taken seriously at the moment.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
The compition at BCN is mainly Vueling

Well...actually Vueling may not be a competitor. On the contrary, they could become the new IB low cost division.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
I have noticed that in the states some people when they here Spain only think Barcelona.

It happened to me several times that they also thought Mexico when I said I was from Spain.

I think it's a good idea that Air Madrid plans to start those flights from BCN. However, I don't think the airline is ready for it.

They want to do a lot more than they actually can and this is creating them a very bad image. If one aircraft goes tech, the entire route network suffers the consequences, as happened during this summer and has also happened since the airline started operations. They don't have enough aircraft...as simple as that.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:03 am

NM is a real shame of airline. Is like FR but even worse. It is a long-haul "Low cost" pretty mediocre. You must paying 20€ if you wish having a meal ...is the first airline which meals are NOT free on long-haul flights. Sometimes they have more than 30 hours in flights delayed due to is very difficult serving a lot of destinations with 3 planes. Last month, passengers had a week in Manaus as an engine had a mechanical failure during a LIM-MAD flight. Just with 3 or 4 planes they want flying to entire LatinAmerica serving more than 12 destinations. And now, they want starting operations from BCN ...no comment

What can you expect from an airline which have a plane with First, Business and Coach Class ....another plane with "Business" and Coach Class ...and now they are thinking in having another plane ...with all-Economy Class  knockout 

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
It would not make much sense for Iberia to start flights out of Barcelona to the America's because they already have a strong international network out of Madrid and they would end up loosing loads on those flights as well as on the Puente Aero.

I totally agree with you.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
I lived in Madrid this past year and I found it to be an amazing city! There is a lot to do and things to see. I have also been to Barcelona four times and find that the city is kind of dirty compared to Madrid

Agree again Big grin ...by the way. How is your Spanish at the moment? ¿dónde estás ahora? Are you at the States at the moment?
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 8):
Agree again Big grin ...by the way. How is your Spanish at the moment? ¿dónde estás ahora? Are you at the States at the moment?

Mi español está bien, puedo entender más entonces que puedo hablar.
¡Estoy en Nueva York ahora, yo volví en el 3 de agosto y yo hecho falta España terriblemente!

English -
My spanish is OK, I can understand more then I can speak.
I am in New York now, I got back on August 3rd and I miss Spain terribly!
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:33 am

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 8):
Last month, passengers had a week in Manaus

Erm....actually it was not a week, but 4 days.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 8):
You must paying 20€ if you wish having a meal

€8,00 for breakfast (Orange Juice, and ham & cheese Brioche, Coffee or Tea, Yoghurt & Oreo biscuits).

€12,00 for a cold meal (box composed of a sandwich of your choice of different varieties, Isabel Salad, Dessert, Coffee or Tea & a canned drink your choice).

€15,00 for a hot meal (hot option composed of a Curried Chicken & Rice entree and an Isabel Salad, Dessert & Coffee or Tea. To drink you can choose between wine or any other canned drink).

€5,00 for a snack (Pringle's Potatoes a Nestle Fruits Chocolat Bar & a canned drink of your choice).

Take a look for yourselves: http://www.airmadrid.com/restaurante1.do
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:43 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 9):
I am in New York now, I got back on August 3rd and I miss Spain terribly!

Vas a regresar, entonces?  Wink By the way ...Its pretty nice that you keep the Spanish flag

Alfonso ...my moral principles prevent going to Air Madrids web-page Big grin
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:50 am

It's been said there is interest from some European carriers (including Air Madrid and IB) to begin trans-atlantic service to LIR in NW Costa Rica. BCN sounds like a good option. Seasonal service maybe?
Is it possible for Air Madrid to fly this route?? What about SJO?

Btw, when will we see Air Madrid A340 at SJO???

Just wondering...
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:51 am

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 11):
my moral principles prevent going to Air Madrids web-page

Yes I am pretty aware of that, but you have to admit that Iberia is not the only airline in this world 

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:56 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
but remember...Iberia is not the only airline in this world

hahaha ...true, true, fortunatelly there is AF, LA and CX among others fine airlines  Wink
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:01 am

Does any airline currently operate routes between Spain and Canada?
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 15):
Does any airline currently operate routes between Spain and Canada?

Yes, Air Plus with A-310, but just as a charter flight.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 15):
Does any airline currently operate routes between Spain and Canada?

Nope, Iberia has in the past and Air Canada has also.

Quote:
Vas a regresar, entonces? Wink By the way ...Its pretty nice that you keep the Spanish flag

I will deffitenly come visit Spain because I love it soo much! I think I am going to Spain for three Weeks at the end of June. I was debating whether or not to keep the Spanish flag but in the end I did because I love it so much!

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:15 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 17):
I was debating wether or not to keep the spanish flag but in the end I did because I love it so much!

Well done, AZMD11. In addition to there are many many US-flags already in a.net ...Variety is a good thing.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:18 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 17):
I was debating whether or not to keep the Spanish flag but in the end I did because I love it so much!

Don't say it too loud...the majority of "modern" Spaniards will say you're a "facha" or that you still live in the past (talk about a tolerant society).

It's nice to see that a foreign person loves Spain so much since most of the Spaniards don't give a sh*t about this country (I'm not one of those).

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:23 am

NM (Air Madrid) has currently 5 planes, correct me if I'm wrong:

SE-RBG Airbus A330-223 wet-leased from Novair
EC-JIS Airbus A340-312 (ex Air France F-GLZB). This aircraft has PTVs in Economy
EC-IYB Airbus A330-202 (ex Canada 3000 C-GGWA, ex Volare Airlines I-VLEC)
EC-IYN Airbus A330-202 (ex Canada 3000 C-GGWB, ex Volare Airlines I-VLED)
D-AIDH Airbus A310 (ex Lufthansa)

Wow, what a mixture!!!!

Last month I travelled on EC-IYB back from San José de Costa Rica and there are still many signs in Italian (because it was previously operated by Volare Airlines)

Will they add more planes? Is this fleet enough for their growing network?
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:26 am

Hola Eric!

How was your experience with Air Madrid? Are the cockpit crews Spanish or are they still foreign? How was the service? Load factor?

Facts about NM are still uncertain for most of us. We have little or no info about how the airline is doing.

Btw I'm not sure if SE-RBG has already joined the fleet or if it's still pending.

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:34 am

Hola Alfonso,

yes, we had a foreign cockpit crew, I think the captain had a Portuguese accent, maybe I'm wrong.

The cabin crew was Spanish (quite pleasant).

There were no empty seats back from SJO. The service was standard LCC. I was sitting in row 33, which is the row close to the emergency exit, so I had a lot of space (better for me because I'm 1.82 metres tall). I had a pleasant chat with a flight attendant.

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:40 am

Air Madrid was sopposed to get the A330-300 that Air Algerie operates, F-OMSA, for the summer but that has not happend yet.

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 22):
The service was standard LCC

That is, not very good ...thats not?
IberiaA319 ...Could you back to fly Air Madrid again or do you prefer a "decent" airline?
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 24):
That is, not very good ...thats not?
IberiaA319 ...Could you back to fly Air Madrid again or do you prefer a "decent" airline?

Hi Anxebla,

The service onboard was ok, it's just what I had expected. The cabin crew was friendly, but you have to pay for everything in economy, you only get water for free. It's not so bad, but I still prefer Iberia. On our way back we had a delay of more than 4 hours. As you know, last month Air Madrid was almost every day in the news due to their delays of 20 or more hours.

Probably it's better to fly with Air Madrid in the off-peak season, maybe then their flights are on time.

I'll travel again to the region as I have some relatives who live there right now, and probably I'll choose Iberia, even if there's a price difference.

Air Madrid is not always cheaper, three weeks ago one of my friends had to go there on a business trip, Iberia's economy fare was cheaper.

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:45 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 25):
On our way back we had a delay of more than 4 hours. As you know, last month Air Madrid was almost every day in the news due to their delays of 20 or more hours.

ONLY 4 HOURS delayed ....guau ...happy, aren't you?? NM wants advertising for free of charge on the TVs channel; how to get it?? Appearing on the News thanks to its "state-of-the-art" 30 hours of delay

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 25):
Air Madrid is not always cheaper

If you can booking in advance, IB (or other "decent" carriers) is offering a very good deal. Sometimes even IB is cheaper than NM.

NM is a mediocre airline ...to avoid. Just like FR. And they are NOT always the cheapest
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:09 am

Guys, give to NM a break.... is a new airline and of course at the begining is not so easy start in an excellent development.... I had a lot of times flying in IB from MEX and I had a lot of bad experiences with this airline, even my father who is Spanish and for years he was flying between MEX to MAD on IB's flight he tooked the idea to change for a better option in this case AM's flight.... bad experiences like lost baggage, delays and xld flights or oversold flights... so I can't see any difference between IB and NM because both are BAD airlines but in this case NM is a new one and in my point of view have credit for mistakes because as I writte here is a new one, IB is an old airline and for be and old and experimented airline mistakes will be just a remember from the past but they still maken huge mistakes like oversolding flights..... don't you think? Cheers Vic
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:23 am

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 27):
don't you think?

NO.
Obviusly IB is not CX or AF, but IB is not a mediocre airline. NM is. So, it is unfair saying IB and NM is the same ...totally unfair.

If you want to go to MEX and you dislike IB, try, for instance, AM or AF, but forget NM. It is my advice.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:28 am

While My Castellano and Catalan are equally dismal (though enough to give Barcelona & Tarragona taxi drivers a shock into giving me discounts)... I find it ironic that the airline "developing" Barcelona's long haul routes is Air Madrid

LOL...

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:51 am

Of course IB is not CX or AF and I'm always flying on AM flight since 1990... but considering a lot of points for named or call an airline MEDIOCRE is unfair that you are forgetting the diference between a new airline and an old one like NM and IB.... could be MEDIOCRE for you because you are not giving too much room to think like NM could be a great and good one airline.... who knows.... but at least the F/A of NM are kindly and beauty ones not old and ALWAYS in bad mood like Iberia's witches  Smile
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:03 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
Air Madrid could be very smart in this move as BCN is an important destination

Actully it could be, why competing offering the exact same product when you can make a change and avoid competition pressure? I don't say that this is exacly the case, but worth of thinking
Besides, Barcelona is getting more and more immigration from Latin America (Chileans at least), specially young people going there for studying or internship. If you combine that with "low prices" strategy, it fits...

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 8):
paying 20€ if you wish having a meal

Well Andres, for me to pay €8 in Iberia for a terrible "breakfast" in ORY-MAD is not something to be proud of of you ask me. Bastante cutre en mi opinion...


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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:10 pm

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 30):
could be MEDIOCRE for you because you are not giving too much room to think like NM could be a great and good one airline..

no comment  bored 

If some day NM is a "great" airline DL will be the next A-340 customer, then Big grin
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:23 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 31):
Well Andres, for me to pay €8 in Iberia for a terrible "breakfast" in ORY-MAD is not something to be proud of of you ask me.

Ok, and you know perfectly that I do NOT like that IB policy. But paying by meals on LONG-HAUL flights is a real deception as you are paying for your flight already.

IB is charging meals and drinks on European flights, on Coach Class. And I dislike this IB policy very much.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:24 pm

Or Iberia's F/A will be the nicest girls on air in the hole world ....... :O
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:38 pm

I didn't know that IB is selling meals on European flights..... NO COMMENT.... but if is a LCC like NM they can charge even for a glass of water.... since AA is not given meals for free in coach between DFW to BJX (Mexico) and they are not LCC I think NM can do that as a rule of LCC policy.... and about AA I know that because I worked for this company in BJX as a Ground Security Coordinator and I heard a lot of complains about people who was doing this flight and comparing CO IAH-BJX flight that they given a hot breakfast like muffins and sausage for free..... I think ONE WORLD ALLIANCE is taking this policy since IB and AA are partner in this "team"
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:39 pm

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 33):
But paying by meals on LONG-HAUL flights is a real deception as you are paying for your flight already.

...I know on intra-European flights you also pay the fare, but there is not need to eat in a 2-hours flight. Another matter is a 10-hours flight.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:00 pm

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 36):
but there is not need to eat in a 2-hours flight

it's not a matter of needs, it's a matter of image...
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 37):
it's not a matter of needs, it's a matter of image...

Yes, I do agree with you ...totally agree  Smile
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:07 pm

But is a LCC... what do you want? You can prepare a bag with some thing to eat during the flight even people who fly in not LCC sometimes make an extra lunch or diabetic people who have problems with glicemy have to eat several times if the glicemy is low and they take something to eat from their homes when they are going to make a travel with a lot of hours of flying time..... I don't see the point of your doubts or your complains about the pay meal in a LCC long haul route, policy is policy
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:07 pm

The homepage of Air Madrid is showing Emirates first class seats! sigh 


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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:12 pm

Andrés,

Give it a break, pal. You can become really annoying when you don't like something without having even tried it. Why is not possible for Air Madrid to become a great airine in the future? For you it's not possible just because you don't like them. C'mon!! grow up!

I would like to try Air Madrid in the future...I don't have anything against them and I am sure that as soon as they get more aircraft their punctuality problems will at least decrease.

Even IB with their huge fleet has punctuality problems sometimes when an aircraft goes tech, and you know it. I have even experienced it...25 hours in MIA last year while coming back from GUA due to tech problems with EC-DIB (and 2 more IB aircraft had left hundreds of passengers stranded at JFK and at MIA as well during the same week for the same reason).

I remember telling you about this on thursday night while having dinner and you just couldn't accept or believe it...why not? because it's Iberia?

Your response was "it doesn't happen to Iberia!!...that's impossible!!...Iberia's maintenance is one of the world's best!!!...it only happens with Air Madrid but NOT with Iberia!!!". You can ask any Iberia employee about "how nice" the flights to MIA have been during this summer. It has been a nightmare, thanks to the crappy Air Atlanta's 743s and IB's lack of enough replacement aircraft.

Sometimes they have been forced to use the A346 when a full passenger load was waiting to board the 743 and due to the smaller capacity of the A346 many pax had to be left at MAD. Sometimes they also had to use the 744s which have a very small Business Class cabin and many passengers that had paid for a Business Class seat found themselves on a cramped Economy class seat...oh and everytime the 744s were used on the MIA flights IB had to think about something for the TFN flights...like using the smaller Iberworld's A330s (with a lot less seats than the 744 and during peak season) and other things.

I know what you will say..."It's Air Atlanta's fault". Yes, I know that, but isn't IB's responsibility to make sure that they are wet-leasing aircraft from a reliable company?

Oh and the A340s also have problems from time to time.

Gosh!...calm down!!. I am pretty aware that IB is a perfectly safe airline (in fact that's the main reason that makes me fly IB) but they also have their share of tech problems, just like any other major carrier. Air Madrid is not the only one in this field.

QF, BA, CX, SQ, AF, KL...every great airline has their delays, cancellations etc, due to tech problems every once in a while, such as a BA 744 flying on 3 engines between the US and London, or a KLM's 747 engine falling apart during take off in California...etcetera.

About the inflight service...well, if you know you're flying a LCC then why complain when you have to pay for food?. It's much worse when a passenger has paid a full economy fare on IB for a flight from MAD to LHR (about € 1000) and he finds out that he has to pay for a cup of coffee.

Seriously Andrés...just let it rest. Give it a break.

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 30):
could be MEDIOCRE for you because you are not giving too much room to think like NM could be a great and good one airline.

Completely agree with this.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 32):
If some day NM is a "great" airline DL will be the next A-340 customer, then

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IB787
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:19 pm

Quoting Andahuailas (Thread starter):
Air Madrid will start flying out of BCN to SCL, LIM, EZE, BOG, CTG and MEX(Toluca) non-stop.

In fact, flights BCN-EZE and BCN-SCL will stop in TFN; LIM, TLC, and BOG/CTG will be indeed non-stop flights (1/w flight).

I have never flown NM but from things that I've read, I wouldn't trust them. I think that with their current fleet they have too many flights. I really hope that NM becomes one day a great airline but I don't see it happening in the short-term. Of course IB is not the best airline in the world but if I have to choose between IB and NM, I would take IB: no doubt!
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:22 pm

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 26):
NM is a mediocre airline ...to avoid. Just like FR. And they are NOT always the cheapest

I do think that NM are being very ambitious with their scheduling, and should introduce some slack to improve punctuality. But I do think that they have been positiveley daring too in the number destinations that they offer and the speed at which they have set them up. I wish them well, as competition is well necessary, especially to places where IB have been the only or dominant carier.

In the case of BOG/CTG, NM is taking one of the 3 weekly flights from MAD to serve it from BCN.

Ah, and about FR, it depends what you mean by mediocre. If it's that you don't get onboard service or IFE, then people know what to expect when buying the ticket. But FR offers punctuality and efficiency, and the leg room is not even that bad! I am a convert to FR, having dreaded it before my first flight with them. Hot sandwiches on sale are quite tasty too!
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:50 pm

The flights of NM for this winter season will be

MAD-SJO-PTY-MAD (2/w THU and SUN)
MAD-BOG-CTG-MAD (2/w TUE and FRI)
MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD (2/w TUE and SAT)
MAD-LIM-MAD (2/w WED and SAT)
MAD-EZE-MAD (daily but via TFN on FRI)
MAD-SCL-MAD (3/w WED, FRI and SUN)
MAD-TLC-MAD (2/w TUE and SUN)
BCN-EZE-BCN (1/w via TFN on MON)
BCN-LIM-EZE (1/w TUE)
BCN-SCL-BCN (1/w via TFN on THU)
BCN-BOG-CTG-BCN (1/w SUN)
BCN-TLC-BCN (1/w FRI)
TFN-EZE-TFN (2/w MON and FRI)
TFN-SCL-TFN (1/w THU)
+ BCN-TFN and MAD-TFN

I see too many flights for such a little fleet, it is quite normal to see huge delays in NM.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:23 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 43):
I do think that NM are being very ambitious with their scheduling, and should introduce some slack to improve punctuality. But I do think that they have been positiveley daring too in the number destinations that they offer and the speed at which they have set them up. I wish them well, as competition is well necessary, especially to places where IB have been the only or dominant carier.

I completely agree with you, Summa767.

I admit that between IB and NM, IB is clearly my favourite...but it doesn't mean that I won't give NM a chance. They deserve an opportunity and as soon as they grow and expand they will be more and more reliable. It's nice to see another Spanish carrier crossing the Atlantic.

We shouldn't forget Air Europa, which also has an increasing pressence in Latin America, with a decent reputation and a reliable operation.

Oh and btw...UX codeshares with NM in some routes.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:33 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 45):
Oh and btw...UX codeshares with NM in some routes.

Oh, I didn't know that, which routes exactly?
 
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting IB787 (Reply 46):
Oh, I didn't know that, which routes exactly?

They have been codesharing on the UIO flights during this summer. Don't know if there are more destiantions or if the codeshare agreement will go beyond the summer.

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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:56 pm

I very much agree with IBERIA747. Iberia deffitenly has its own share of problems even though it is a much more major airline then Air Madrid.

The two airlines have had similar situations with canceling flights and leaving passengers stranded at Madrid or other destinations but it is one thing for Air Madrid since they are a new airline but Iberia a major player in the cards with a semi large fleet leaving passengers stranded and having to lease planes from other airlines like Air Pullmantur and Iberworld, is not generally expectable for a leading player.

I personally have a few things wrong with Iberia like their ground service but once I get on the actual plan I am fine, and I have nothing against Air Madrid, I always enjoyed seeing Air Madrid A330s or EC-JIS sitting on the tarmac.

I have heard that Air Madrid will be acquiring some A320s for European routes to connect to their flights to South and Central America. So once again Air Madrid is easing its way into the game.
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RE: Air Madrid Developing BCN

Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 41):
I remember telling you about this on thursday night while having dinner and you just couldn't accept or believe it...why not? because it's Iberia?

It is true IB had specific problems with delays ...just like any another "decent" airline. But Its very very strange to find in IB, AF, LH, BA, LA ..., a delay with the "Air Madrid genuine taste"

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 41):
QF, BA, CX, SQ, AF, KL...every great airline has their delays, cancellations etc, due to tech problems every once in a while, such as a BA 744 flying on 3 engines between the US and London, or a KLM's 747 engine falling apart during take off in California...etcetera.

And ...??? What's your point? Do you believe that any of those airlines quoted are so reliables like NM is???  Silly

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 41):
Why is not possible for Air Madrid to become a great airine in the future?

Honestly, I do not think so. And this is just my personal opinion. Like we say in our language: No lo veo ni posible ni viable. But... anyhow, time has the right answer.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 41):
About the inflight service...well, if you know you're flying a LCC then why complain when you have to pay for food?. It's much worse when a passenger has paid a full economy fare on IB for a flight from MAD to LHR (about € 1000) and he finds out that he has to pay for a cup of coffee.

The sola idea of having LCC on long-haul is a deception. Why? Remember this quote of IberiaA319 at the reply number 25:
>""Air Madrid is not always cheaper, three weeks ago one of my friends had to go there on a business trip, Iberia's economy fare was cheaper""<

That is totally TRUE: NM has NOT always the cheapest fares. Also, this is not an opinion but a FACT ...a relevant fact for one airline which says they are cheap and LCC.
Think about it, Alfonso: IF the only purpose for the Air Madrid's existence is to have very cheap fares (this is said for NM, not me) and being a "low cost" airline REDUCING service, superfluous expenses like meals on board for free, AND sometimes its fares are higher than on a "decent", reliable and scheduled airline with daily flights, I wonder if NM think customers are idiots. And also I wonder if NM is out of place.

I don't like observing like the service which is offered to the pax is every time worse and worse, and the price which is paid is not "so" low ...at all. There are airlines with more responsibility than others in the degradation of service matter.

About IB: you know perfectly I hate the IB's charge for meals and drinks on intra-european flights. And you know also my point of view about the IB's FF "Iberia Plus" ...is pretty mediocre and miserly. My last European flight with IB was in 2001, more than 4 years ago. Since then I fly AF, specially within Europe. Fortunatelly the customer always can choosing. But, anyhow, saying IB and NM is the same is not true and is totally unfair.
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