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FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:32 pm

Looks like FL has had their first 737 down in MIA the past couple of days for the winglet mod. So keep an eye out, it should be out soon. I wonder what they are going to put on their winglets. Knowing Airtran it's going to be "airtran.com" or the big ol' "a".
 
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:17 pm

Being that I work for them I can't wait to see it. Should look good
 
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting BH (Thread starter):
Looks like FL has had their first 737 down in MIA the past couple of days for the winglet mod. So keep an eye out, it should be out soon. I wonder what they are going to put on their winglets. Knowing Airtran it's going to be "airtran.com" or the big ol' "a".

I thought all winglets were put on at BFI?


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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:14 am

From what I am hearing it should be finished on the 12th so hopefully it will be flying on the 13th.
 
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:24 am

It is slated to come out of the Avborne hangar in MIA at 1800 local today. We will see if it happens at that time.
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It's Here: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:00 am

N175AT came out of the Avborne hangar on the north side this morning to take out a trip while another aircraft (N168AT) was arriving and then going to the hangar.



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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:18 am

Not to shabby looking. I wish that they wouldnt have painted the inside of them blue, but oh well.
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:33 am

I think they look great on both sides. I like the blue insides and it will look good against blue sky while inflight.


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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:08 am

Im sorry those 737NG winglets are just TOO high -- they look silly .. as do the ones theyre putting on 757s. This industry is getting just a little too carried away with this winglet theme, i think.

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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
I wish that they wouldnt have painted the inside of them blue

At least they didn't paint the blue on the outside. Most critics of the new livery have stated that the blue cowlings clash somewhat with the rest of the plane's colors.

The airtran.com written on the inside of the winglets (aren't they copying WN just a tad?) along with the existing titles on the engine cowlings means that the .com titles now appear 4 times. Isn't this a bit overkill?

The teal & white 'a' logo on the outside looks cool, although it was done once before:


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Side question(s): Wasn't FL's initial reason for not opting for blended winglets on their 73Gs due to gate parking issues at ATL? Has that gate situation changed since last year?

Or did Joe Leonard & company realize that any fuel savings (especially at today's prices) generated from the winglets are worth any gate parking hassles or restrictions at ATL?
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:19 am

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 8):
This industry is getting just a little too carried away with this winglet theme, i think.

It's all about the mighty dollar. They save money. You'd probably buy them too.

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but with the price of oil the way it is and such, what's the likelihood of just about everyone with a 737NG fleet considering winglets? Especially AA and DL?
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 8):
Im sorry those 737NG winglets are just TOO high -- they look silly .. as do the ones theyre putting on 757s. This industry is getting just a little too carried away with this winglet theme, i think.

They're not there for show or to make the plane look cool, they're there because they provide significant fuel savings.

Which brings me to a question: aren't all these winglet mods essentially an admission by Boeing that they did not design the wing to be as efficient as it could be?
 
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (Reply 10):
Side question(s): Wasn't FL's initial reason for not opting for blended winglets on their 73Gs due to gate parking issues at ATL? Has that gate situation changed since last year?

Or did Joe Leonard & company realize that any fuel savings (especially at today's prices) generated from the winglets are worth any gate parking hassles or restrictions at ATL?

I think you've hit the nail on the head : with fuel costing what it is, it's cheaper to save fuel, then figure out how to fit the planes @ the gates ...

My guess is we'll end up seeing a mixture of gates that can handle either plane, and gates that can only handle the 737 due to the smaller wingspan ...

BTW - referring to the comment about the size of the winglets, just wait 'til you see them in person, from inside a plane looking out over the wing at ANOTHER plane ... the ones on the plane you're actually in don't look all that large from the inside. But the plane next door? They just look enormous!

I think the FL colorscheme looks great ... really gives the winglets a rakedback, FAST look, improves the colorscheme too.

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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:31 am

IIRC the CEO was quoted in an issue of Airways stating that the fuel savings didn't justify the cost. Obviously with fuel spiraling he changed his mind.
 
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:51 am

Litz,

Not to nitpick here but the quote you cut & pasted in Reply #12 actually came from Reply #9.
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:09 am

When we orderded the 737's we only had 24 gates in ATL. Now we are up to 30 gates. In my opinion the 737W's will operated out of the D concourse due to the fact that it is not as congested as C. I could be wrong, but that it my 2 cents.
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:19 am

AFAIK, the gates on C are going to be reconfigured so 737Ws can park at any one of them. This will mean losing two gates but this will be made up with more gates on D. Of course, with the impending Delta bankruptcy, AirTran may get more C-gates after all.  Big grin
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:25 am

I don't think Delta will ever give up any ATL gates unless it was a ch. 7 situation. UAL did the same thing here in DEN. United is far from fully utilizing their DEN gates, but would rather sit on them than have Frontier take any. Looks like the recent service cuts have been at CVG and DFW with additions at ATL.
 
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:03 am

Its the best scheme i've seen on an Airtran plane with the exception of the Elton John plane
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
Not to nitpick here but the quote you cut & pasted in Reply #12 actually came from Reply #9.

Yeah, I just noticed that. It's happened to me before; I shade, hit quote, edit, and post, and the forum software gets the reply # wrong. Dunno why ...

Maybe too many fingers all hitting "POST" at once ....

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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Reply 18):
exception of the Elton John plane

I believe that the Elton John decals have since been stripped off the 717s that once had them.
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 17):
don't think Delta will ever give up any ATL gates unless it was a ch. 7 situation. UAL did the same thing here in DEN. United is far from fully utilizing their DEN gates, but would rather sit on them than have Frontier take any. Looks like the recent service cuts have been at CVG and DFW with additions at ATL.

Humm....I wonder if CVG could become another hub for FL they way it did for DL? We have needed some discount service there for a long time. With DL giving up the flights, I wonder if it would be a good thing for FL to try and get a couple of gates????
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:45 am

VERY cool. The first time i saw the new FL 737s, i thought they would look really cool with wingletts...and they do!! I love the little "a"
Cant wait to see it at BWI.
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:50 am

"Humm....I wonder if CVG could become another hub for FL they way it did for DL? We have needed some discount service there for a long time. With DL giving up the flights, I wonder if it would be a good thing for FL to try and get a couple of gates????"

Not a bad idea. I wonder if it would take some passengers away from Dayton though?
 
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RE: FL's First 737 With Winglets On The Way

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
Not to nitpick here but the quote you cut & pasted in Reply #12 actually came from Reply #9.

This is what happens when you highlight text and then click the "quote" button under the post, instead of the one above the post.

That, or a post was deleted. The rest of the posts get renumbered, but the quoted text doesn't get renumbered.