bhxdtw
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New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:38 am

Does anyone know what the next transatlantic link is going to be ?
what do you think is going to be the next US gateway to be opened up to Europe / Africa ??
The usual suspects being NYC/LAX/ORD/BOS and I guess MIA and IAD to a degree but thinking in the future, do you ever think we'll see a direct link say from St Louis for example again.. or how about other smaller US / Canadian cities ??
Just a topic I thought might be of some interest... also is Charlotte served direct into LGW still with US ?
Im always interested in route networks.. Id like to hear your ideas..

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:47 am

Well, some of this may be wishful thinking but I've always thought that SEA would be the next city to be opened up to europe flights. Also I think once someone acquires the 787 or A350 you will see a lot more opening up of secondary US/Canadian cities to europe.

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:53 am

do you ever think BA will ever return to some of its former US routes .. It once served FNT !! and thats just down the road from DTW !!
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:57 am

BA to FNT?

Wow... that's a bit hard to believe.

SEA could have new trans-Atlantic service. MIA will open up more too.

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
It once served FNT !! and thats just down the road from DTW !!

Flint? Via metal or code-share?
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bhxdtw
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:02 am

Im pretty sure FNT was served direct... anyone else know ??
It was around '98 ?... served actually I believe with a 744... I hope Im not wrong... the thought of BA sending a 744 into bishop is awesome !!!
See I would love to have seen New Orleans served direct or Fort Lauderdale..
San Antonio for instance, you get the idea.. Big cities in their own right but not big in transatlantic terms...
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Komododx (Reply 3):

SEA could have new trans-Atlantic service

I agree, I think VS should make a move on the LHR-SEA route, only BA currently operates a Daily 744 on this route!

I'm still wishing for a British Carrier to return to SAN!  Sad

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:04 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
I'm still wishing for a British Carrier to return to SAN!

Has BA showed any interest in re-instating the route?

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:08 am

SAN DIEGO !! ... AHHH ONCE FOUND BE GERMAN EXPLORERS... IT MEANS:...
hehe gotta lurve Ron Burgundy.
didnt BA use DC-10's on this route once ? also they served Phoenix with them too I believe,..
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:20 am

I thought about this more and I think that my SEA response is only partly true, in the sense that SEA is actually quite well served to europe. I mean, we have SAS, Aeroflot, NW and BA instead of the conventional BA LH and AF assortment. But I can still see someone from skyteam starting a CDG flight and an FRA flight with LH, the PDX flight, I believe, is mostly O&D so that wouldnt really factor in and flights to YVR are damn expensive.

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 8):
didnt BA use DC-10's on this route once ? also they served Phoenix with them too I believe,..

Yes SAN was served with DC-10's, 772's and 744's!

The 772's were initaly from LGW before being transfered to LHR!

The 744's were an additon to the PHX flights!


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Quoting Komododx (Reply 7):
Has BA showed any interest in re-instating the route?

Not sure, although VS has! (But a VS 343 couldnt land at SAN, and a 744 would be too large for a daily service!)

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:43 pm

I highly doubt that FNT was ever served by BA because the Bermuda II would never have allowed it. Is it possible you saw or heard about a DTW diversion that is confusing you???
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 11):
I highly doubt that FNT was ever served by BA because the Bermuda II would never have allowed it. Is it possible you saw or heard about a DTW diversion that is confusing you???

No it was in their timetable.... with a '0' where it usually shows if a change of acft is needed...
Anyone else know ??
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:16 pm

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:16 pm

Well BAA GLA will meet with AA in Copenhagen to discuss new routes shortly, BOS and JFK most likely as I can't see them sending another 763 from MIA.

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:37 pm

Maybe AA operating CWL-JFK...

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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:55 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 12):
No it was in their timetable.... with a '0' where it usually shows if a change of acft is needed...
Anyone else know ??

I really doubt that BA ever served FNT. What timetable are you talking about. Please show us.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:40 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 16):
I really doubt that BA ever served FNT. What timetable are you talking about. Please show us.

I have it no longer.. but im going to do some research and as soon as I do I will post it !... Maybe I was wrong but Im going to dig around a bit !!
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:47 pm

British Airways has NEVER served Flint Michigan.

If a British Airways aircraft was there, it was either one of two things, a diversion or a charter.
If the flight was shown in the timetable, it was certainly a mistake. They do happen!

So back to the topic.
Are we talking about "US" as in USAirways, or "US" as in the U.S.A.?

If we're talking about the airline, don't expect anything other than transAtlantic growth from PHL.

If we're talking about the nation, does a market exist to Europe that is not already being served?
The nation's airlines are rationalizing networks, not expanding them.
So that leaves international carriers.

DFW. I would love to see the new terrminal filled up...but I am not so sure that will happen as soon as I'd like it. The SkyTeam powerhouse 250 miles south of there steals a lot of DFW's thunder....textbook study of what happens when airport's hitch their wagon to the fortunes of one airline.
Nothing wrong with that, but any international growth from DFW will be by AA, and that will not be happening anytime soon.

SFO. I wonder how the new breed of long-range/medium capacity aircraft will play into SFO's future European connections. (787/350)
Whatever the route, it will need to be a strong O/D market, as connectivity is limited.
Can we expect to see Madrid, Moscow, Manchester and Milan in the future?; it would sure be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

MSY. A popular target of speculation before the hurricane. It will all depend on how the Crescent City is re-built....Can it be made into an even better tourist destination?

BOS. Most inconsistent international gateway in North America...."Now you see it, now you don't" type of thing. Since BOS is a hub for no one really, routes are stated by airlines with hubs elsewhere, the BOS flights then must exist on their own O/D only with little or support or feed from the greater network....so ultimately, these routes fail.

ORF. I wonder....If fares were ridiculously low, could they draw from the hinterland? But other equally as large places exist without transAtlantic flights..JAX, CMH, MKE, MCI, STL, BUF, SAT, so on and so on....so what makess ORF special? I don't know, just a gut feeling. 10-15 years from now.

PDX. This seems to be a favorite of the fantasy crowd. What happens in PDX has a lot to do with what happens up the road in SEA....will fees divert growth to PDX? Probably not as much as the Port of Portland would like. Could PDX support LHR/LGW, AMS, CDG? Maybe not all at once, but rather one at a time...so of the three, London is the choice of locals, but I am leaning to AMS, within 24-30 months.

High-Density/Long-Range.
Popular in Europe, not so much in the USA.
Even Canada has Zoom.
Right now, SFB is the primary point in the USA for such airlines....once in awhile there is an LTU service to LAX, Corsair/Martinair did their thing to OAK once upon a time, Icelandair and their niche is landing at SFO, for now...but for the most part, transAtlantic is the domain of the US Legacies and European Flag Carriers.
If the trend matures in the US, I think beyond SFB, BWI and OAK make great choices. I have also wondered about ONT.....would someone drive inland to board a 767 packed with 250 seats for a 12-hour flight to STN...all in the name of saving $300-$500 per ticket?

Too bad DFW is so expensive, because it's central location would be great for such "public-charte" type services.
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RE: New US Routes?

Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:57 pm

SFO-INDIA via a European city must be on the horizon. Air India or Jet maybe, my guess being AI.

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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:12 am

Rumored but not offical yet BOS-MAD on IB! I also think BOS-PIK would work especially summer season. More BOS-LIS from TAP would be welcome addition.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:16 am

ORD-BHX is what i want to see from either UA or AA.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 20):
I also think BOS-PIK would work especially summer season.

You won't see that happening. If NWA or AA decide to start BOS-Scotland it will be GLA or EDI. Perhaps a smaller airline could try it...

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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 21):
ORD-BHX is what i want to see from either UA or AA.

AHHH yeah.. I hear you on that one !! Anyone know if that would ever happen ??
Also NW... now thats an interesting one and I want opinions...
US,AA,CO,DL all serve more than one destination in the UK and Europe.. NW only serves LGW... with all the new 330's coming would you not think a move to MAN or (now heres some wishfull thinking Smile BHX be on the cards ?? I mean look how far south LGW is from Scotland,The midlands, etc etc
I know UA also only serve LHR but with the BD base there, their is probably no need as they would send all the long haul traffic from IAD,LAX,JFK onto BD flights connecting up to MAN and so on etc etc
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:20 am

Quoting B6sea (Reply 1):
Well, some of this may be wishful thinking but I've always thought that SEA would be the next city to be opened up to europe flights. Also I think once someone acquires the 787 or A350 you will see a lot more opening up of secondary US/Canadian cities to europe.


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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:21 am

Wishful thinking, but I'm just waiting for the VERY distant day that CMH receives european service. Yeah, like that will ever happen. Although, I don't see why it couldn't. There are so many people that go to Europe from central Ohio during the summer.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:32 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 24):
SK flies SEA-CPH I would consider that transatlantic service

I adressed that in a later post... Aeroflot to Moscow and BA to LHR and NW to AMS are also transatlantic... I still don't understand how PDX got LH... and dont say because YVR is close because more people would go to LAX or the east coast before they went to YVR.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 21):
ORD-BHX is what i want to see from either UA or AA.



Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 23):
AHHH yeah.. I hear you on that one !! Anyone know if that would ever happen ??

They use to fly ORD-BHX. Quit service in 2003 I think. Why they are flying to NCL and not BHX is beyond me.

AA wants to expand European service with their E-tops 752. They are gonna get the winglets installed and hopefully open up service to several new European cities via JFK, BOS, and MIA.

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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:43 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 18):
BOS. Most inconsistent international gateway in North America...."Now you see it, now you don't" type of thing. Since BOS is a hub for no one really, routes are stated by airlines with hubs elsewhere, the BOS flights then must exist on their own O/D only with little or support or feed from the greater network....so ultimately, these routes fail.

I would not go as far as to say BOS is an inconsistent international gateway as far as Europe is concerned. BOS is BA's second best station to North America. LH always has full or overbooked flights going to MUC and FRA. Also, we are one of EI's best performing stations, AA has been very pleased with the daily flights to both SNN and MAN. The only big service we have lost over the last 8 years has been from TP and KE.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 18):
If a British Airways aircraft was there, it was either one of two things, a diversion or a charter.
If the flight was shown in the timetable, it was certainly a mistake. They do happen!

...or the US codeshare if it was the mid-90s.
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:15 pm

Will Virgin think about coming to phx. I have also notice that BA has used the 744 all year long now on the lhr-phx . before they switched to the 772 in the summer and 744 in the winter
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:55 pm

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 27):
They use to fly ORD-BHX. Quit service in 2003 I think. Why they are flying to NCL and not BHX is beyond me.

AA wants to expand European service with their E-tops 752. They are gonna get the winglets installed and hopefully open up service to several new European cities via JFK, BOS, and MIA.

Regards.

Dear sir I hear you on that one !!
how long will it be before winglets are installed.. I think Id rather fly BHX-ORD-DTW V.V than LHR-DTW V.V or even worse LGW-DTW V.V
Hmmmm BHX-MIA.... now that would be a cool route !
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 27):
They use to fly ORD-BHX. Quit service in 2003 I think. Why they are flying to NCL and not BHX is beyond me.

Because NCL isn't yet linked to NYC.

I'd be surprised if BHX didn't get its link reinstated to ORD at some point. The 2 MAN services (AA and BD/UA) apparently perform very well.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:03 am

Back in the industry days of Pittsburgh, we had lots of trans atlantic service. USAir and BA mostly. Had 74's from BA up until the late 90's then became a 763 till service ended. Last I checked, I dont believe we have any trans-atlantic service anymore. Its a beautiful airport, maybe something from Lufthansa will start up to serve its Star Alliance partner US here now that US is hopefully expanding again.


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RE: New US Routes?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting B6sea (Reply 26):
I still don't understand how PDX got LH... and dont say because YVR is close because more people would go to LAX or the east coast before they went to YVR.

I don't know what you're trying to say about YVR. What does YVR have to do with PDX having service by Lufthansa??

The flights exist because of:

Local subsidy.

Plus.
Portland has many businesses with business in Germany and vice versa.
(Freightliner-DaimlerChrysler, Adidas, Intel etc...)

It's cheaper to operate to than SEA.

Cargo is a strong performer.
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RE: New US Routes?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 17):
I have it no longer.. but im going to do some research and as soon as I do I will post it !... Maybe I was wrong but Im going to dig around a bit !!

I think you may be thinking of the code-share service offered via (then) USAir. Most of the domestic USAir cities had code-share flights to London.
 
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RE: New US Routes?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 34):
I don't know what you're trying to say about YVR. What does YVR have to do with PDX having service by Lufthansa??

sorry, actually that was in reference to SEA not getting service from LH but yeah.... I can see how you would misunderstand on my second reading of what i wrote.

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RE: New US Routes?

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:56 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 17):
I have it no longer.. but im going to do some research and as soon as I do I will post it !... Maybe I was wrong but Im going to dig around a bit !!

BA never flew to Flint, not even a diversion.

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