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Southwest B 735

Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:14 pm

I know Southwest has a small number of B 735 planes (29 if I am not mistaken) out of the 430 something total. I was just wondering if any of you know if these planes are used on certain routes like on the West Coast or are they used network-wide. I am more interested to know if WN uses them out of MDW airport.
Any comments would be appreciated.
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:29 pm

They are being based around Texas now to replace the -200's that left the fleet. You might see an occasional 735 fly through a certain city, i know we have o r at least had a 735 fly through STL...

BWI-SDF-STL-MCI
MCI-STL-MDW-BWI
SMF-PHX-STL-BWI

Those are some of the routes iv seen the 735 fly on but i dont know if they were acheduled or subs.

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RE: Southwest B 735

Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:28 pm

There are 25 737-500s at SWA, out of a total of 439 or 440 aircraft. (We've kept adding them, and I keep losing count of the exact total).

The -500s mainly stay on shorter hops in Texas, Florida, and California, but on occasion, you'll sometimes see one on a longer flight (2-3 hrs).

The above is why we'll be re-painting the two -500 Shamu aircraft (N501SW and N507SW) into Canyon Blue, and have re-painted two -700s (N713SW and N715SW) as Shamu aircraft, so they get nationwide exposure.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:21 am

i've seen quite a few of SW's -500's at CLE lately....


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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
The -500s mainly stay on shorter hops in Texas, Florida, and California, but on occasion, you'll sometimes see one on a longer flight (2-3 hrs).

Didn't you one say that you dispatched a 735 onto a lightly loaded BWI-LAX flight?
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Didn't you one say that you dispatched a 735 onto a lightly loaded BWI-LAX flight?

Yeah, I did. Had a PHL-LAS one recently too. They happen so infrequently...
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:14 am

I seem to recall reading the SNA airport will only allow WN and AS to fly the 737-500 in and out of their airport. Not sure if its a noise or capacity regulation or both.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:19 am

Seems like we get them flying SEA-GEG, too. I have flown them twice, but it has been a few years.
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:27 am

I flown STL-MDW quite a bit this summer, and have been on the 735 about half the time. Most of the flights I have been were in the evening.

Ironically, I have not been on a 733 all summer. It's either the 735 or 73G.

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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:44 am

AS doesn't fly 735's. They only have 732's, 734's, 73G's, 738's and 739's. I've AS fly 734's, 73G's and 738's at SNA. Are the MD-80's still allowed at SNA?
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Didn't you one say

Surely you meant to say: "Didn't you ONCE say....."


I have a question, kinda off topic, why doesn't WN operate the 734? It has more capacity than the 733 and 735.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 10):
I have a question, kinda off topic, why doesn't WN operate the 734? It has more capacity than the 733 and 735.

And requires an extra flight attendant in their configuration, which drives up CASM and greatly reduces operational flexibility. The 734 is also more prone to weight-restrictions than the 733, which also would limit stage length.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 10):



I have a question, kinda off topic, why doesn't WN operate the 734? It has more capacity than the 733 and 735.

WN flies aircraft with 149 pax or less - thus only 3 flight attendants are required.....a 734 in an all Y configuration would likely have more seats and require a fourth F/A, thus no 734s at Southwest. Also remember that Southwest operates most routes with high frequencies and the load factors are reasonable but not sky high, thus the extra seats of the 734 (or now the 738) are not needed for most segments, as a route grows, Southwest simply adds more flights. Thats their business plan, and it works for them.

Back to the 735s - does Southwest plan to eventually move most of the 735s close to home, meaning Texas, to operate high-frequency routes on the Love, Hobby, San Antonio triangle. There were rumors that the 735s would take over the close-in routes that were flown by the last batch of 732s.......is this going to happen, or are the 735s going to keep flying routes throughout the Southwest system? I would think that the 25 (out of 440+) aircraft with the lower seating capacity would be dedicated to certain routes simply to ease operational issues.......any Southwest insider have any info?

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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 6):
I seem to recall reading the SNA airport will only allow WN and AS to fly the 737-500 in and out of their airport. Not sure if its a noise or capacity regulation or both.

Wrong. WN only flies the 737-700 to SNA. As far as I know, AS flies -400s and -700s and -800s to SNA. They don't have -500s.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:52 am

>> WN flies aircraft with 149 pax or less - thus only 3 flight attendants are required.....a 734 in an all Y configuration would likely have more seats and require a fourth F/A, thus no 734s at Southwest.

WN's 733 and 73G are indeed less that 149 seats, all configured at a modest 137 seats. This gives WN passengers a nice 33 inches of seat pitch.
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 6):
I seem to recall reading the SNA airport will only allow WN and AS to fly the 737-500 in and out of their airport. Not sure if its a noise or capacity regulation or both.



Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
Wrong. WN only flies the 737-700 to SNA. As far as I know, AS flies -400s and -700s and -800s to SNA. They don't have -500s.

Well, actually he's correct in his recollection. There was a time when WN used only -500's to SNA. Thru most of the 90's up until about two years ago that was the case. As critical mass was achieved with the -700's SNA was upgraded to all -700 service and the -500's were moved to the "heartland" routes around TX to replace the -200's. Just FYI, the -200's were pretty much used system wide until Jan '02, when the "-200 reflow" officially went into effect.
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
Seems like we get them flying SEA-GEG, too. I have flown them twice, but it has been a few years.

Yeah, I noticed that too but that was probably 5 years ago for me.

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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 6):
I seem to recall reading the SNA airport will only allow WN and AS to fly the 737-500 in and out of their airport. Not sure if its a noise or capacity regulation or both.

AS doesn't have the -500, and the -500 has the same engines as the -300, so it wouldn't make a difference

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
WN only flies the 737-700 to SNA.

The main reason for that is not noise or capacity, but performance.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:05 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
The main reason for that is not noise or capacity, but performance.

I figured it had a little to do with both. (?)
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 18):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
The main reason for that is not noise or capacity, but performance.

I figured it had a little to do with both. (?)

If capacity was an issue, all the 757s that fly in there would not be allowed. As far as noise, the 733 and 735 have the exact same engines and are not so different sizewise that that would be an issue.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
If capacity was an issue, all the 757s that fly in there would not be allowed. As far as noise, the 733 and 735 have the exact same engines and are not so different sizewise that that would be an issue.

I'm sorry. I meant I thought the decision to use only the -700s was for both noise and performance. I'm trying to remember where I read something that led me to believe it had to do with noise. I think I recall a thread about SNA takeoffs and I think there was something in there about the procedure not being as exaggerated or as dangerous these days because newer generation aircraft are already much quieter. I have had difficulty fully understanding WN's decision to use -700s at SNA. I never know whether to say it is for performance reasons, especially due to the short runway, or noise because the 737NG is quieter than the Classics.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
If capacity was an issue, all the 757s that fly in there would not be allowed.

"Capacity" in this context is what your own airline has, versus the largest aircraft the airport can handle. IIRC, and don't quote me on this, the airports has some formula it uses for each airline, and an airline's capacity is factor.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 20):
I'm sorry. I meant I thought the decision to use only the -700s was for both noise and performance.

That was my understanding as well. You get much better MTOWs with a -700 than a -300/-500...
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21):
I'm trying to remember where I read something that led me to believe it had to do with noise. I think I recall a thread about SNA takeoffs and I think there was something in there about the procedure not being as exaggerated or as dangerous these days because newer generation aircraft are already much quieter.

The whiney rich people that live around SNA complain a lot, so they have a complex departure so the rich people don't have to turn up the sound on their plasma TV's when an aircraft passes overhead.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:03 am

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 22):
The whiney rich people that live around SNA complain a lot, so they have a complex departure so the rich people don't have to turn up the sound on their plasma TV's when an aircraft passes overhead.

I'm aware of the situation at SNA. What I meant was that I recall hearing (or reading...) the takeoff procedure is not as dramatic as it use to be. It has been a long time since I have flown to SNA and departed runway 19R so I don't know what the experience is like these days. Last time I was there, I landed and departed 01L.  

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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 22):
The whiney rich people that live around SNA complain a lot, so they have a complex departure so the rich people don't have to turn up the sound on their plasma TV's when an aircraft passes overhead.

The quote attributed to me in reply #22 wasn't mine, it was from Silver1SWA in reply #20.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 20):
I think I recall a thread about SNA takeoffs and I think there was something in there about the procedure not being as exaggerated or as dangerous these days because newer generation aircraft are already much quieter.

They still do the full power/back to idle like before, it is just that the rate of climb is much improved with the 737NG over the 737Classic.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 20):
I have had difficulty fully understanding WN's decision to use -700s at SNA. I never know whether to say it is for performance reasons, especially due to the short runway, or noise because the 737NG is quieter than the Classics.

One of the big reasons WN went to -700 only in SNA is the ability to carry cargo. Before, because of the runway restrictions and lower weights of the 732/3/5, they could only take passengers. This meant they could not offer fares as low as other destinations (if you looked at the bottom of the ads, you would always seen "not valid to Orange County, CA"). With the -700s, they are able to carry some cargo and can sell lower fares than before
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:09 am

Just an FYI, I have flown both -200 (several years ago) and -500 on WN from CMH-TPA and CMH-MCO. Lately, on flight 491 (MCO-CMH) and flight 2813 (CMH-MCO), it has been -300 on Monday, Wednesday, Friday<----I think, and -700 on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. I don't know if this is all the time, but evertime I have flown this route since Jan. this has always held true.

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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:36 am

Quoting WN2CMH (Reply 26):
Lately, on flight 491 (MCO-CMH)...has been -300 on Monday, Wednesday, Friday<----I think, and -700 on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.

Flight 491's last segments are MDW-SAN-SJC. Not sure what the first segments are, but yeah I deal with this flight often through SAN and it's always a -700 with the exception of only one day (that I'm aware of) a few weeks ago when a -300 was used and had to make a stop between MDW and SAN.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
One of the big reasons WN went to -700 only in SNA is the ability to carry cargo. Before, because of the runway restrictions and lower weights of the 732/3/5, they could only take passengers. This meant they could not offer fares as low as other destinations (if you looked at the bottom of the ads, you would always seen "not valid to Orange County, CA"). With the -700s, they are able to carry some cargo and can sell lower fares than before

Aren't SNA fares still higher on WN? How long has WN only flown -700s to SNA? About a year and a half ago, when WN had the $39 California fares, SNA was always the exception with the cheapest fares being $79. I never knew why that was. The cargo issue makes sense but...is the "-700 only" thing new?
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:10 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 27):
Aren't SNA fares still higher on WN

They don't get the absolute rock bottom deals, but they are able to get some savings.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 27):
The cargo issue makes sense but...is the "-700 only" thing new?

When they got enough into the system, along with enough being flown by OAK pilots (they are the ones trained on the take off), they were able to do that
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 27):
is the "-700 only" thing new?

Yes it is relatively new...reread post number 15. Up until about two years ago -500 were assigned to all SNA flights. And the capacity restriction was true also. There was a short time back in '98 when we were restricting pax loads to less than 122 and not allowing non-rev travel to SNA. That was back when the only routes WN had from SNA were to OAK and SJC.
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting N200WN (Reply 29):
Yes it is relatively new...reread post number 15. Up until about two years ago -500 were assigned to all SNA flights. And the capacity restriction was true also. There was a short time back in '98 when we were restricting pax loads to less than 122 and not allowing non-rev travel to SNA. That was back when the only routes WN had from SNA were to OAK and SJC.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
When they got enough into the system, along with enough being flown by OAK pilots (they are the ones trained on the take off), they were able to do that

Wow...very interesting. Thanks.
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Before, because of the runway restrictions and lower weights of the 732

SWA has -never- sent a single -200 into SNA. SNA was never authorized for a -200 in our Ops Specs...
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:24 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 31):

SWA has -never- sent a single -200 into SNA. SNA was never authorized for a -200 in our Ops Specs...

Did WN "acquire" service to SNA with the Morris Air deal? I seem to recall that for some reason.
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:32 pm

Has anyone flown OMA-MDW on WN? I am just curious what equipment they use for this route?
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:46 am

I quite often fly OMA-MDW: about 50/50 between the -300's and the -700's
 
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RE: Southwest B 735

Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:49 am

Thanks Joeljack, I'll be flying the route in mid-November so I was curious about he 737 series used for this route.

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