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Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:04 am

We all know that Allegiant mainly flies people from smaller to mid sized markets to the vacation destinations of LAS and SFB. I was curious if anyone knows, how many originating passengers from LAS or SFB use the flights in reverse to fly to those markets. For instance, there are a number of retirees in the LAS and SFB area from the midwest, would any of those people use Allegiant to fly back to their home of Peoria, for example? I know people who live in LAS who fly back to CID using Allegiant, and also another family from Cedar Rapids who got transfered down to the Orlando area whose daughter attends college back here in Iowa are thrilled that they now have a non stop flight back home. Just curious to see if there are any percentage numbers of people who use these flights "in reverse" so to speak...thanks in advance!
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:50 am

Well I'm not exactly sure but I thought a while back someone said it was 2 or 3% originating from SFB and LAS, my step dad is working out there and doing LAS-CID-LAS flights every couple months, it's really nice the way that works as almost everyone is heading to LAS for the weekend and he is flying to CID for the weekend. Maybe ATCRick or another Allegiant poster could tell you for sure as I would be interested in the exact numbers also...
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:39 am

Good evening all G4 fans. I dont have access to those numbers but I am hoping with the growing destinations( i.e.RAP, Black Hills, Sturgis, Deadwood), we will attract more LAS and SFB residents. Of course I am sure NW entering our markets is a concern, but I think that challenging G4 will give them one more thing to worry about that they shouldn't focus on right now. One thing you can count on. G4 dong their best to serve the customer.

Rgds,

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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:53 am

Good evening ATCRick!

LAS-Midamerica almost would seem to me like one of the big "other way" routes, cuz nobody else offers that kind of uptown STL service.  Smile
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting N908AW (Reply 3):
Good evening ATCRick!

LAS-Midamerica almost would seem to me like one of the big "other way" routes, cuz nobody else offers that kind of uptown STL service

Ahhh yes. And good evening to you. We'll see what prevails. But do not forget one important thing. Your opinions are heard and looked into. And appreciated by people alot higher on the food chain then me. Keep in touch.

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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:38 pm

Quoting N908AW (Reply 3):
LAS-Midamerica almost would seem to me like one of the big "other way" routes, cuz nobody else offers that kind of uptown STL service.

Very true, and I could also see the new SFB-Stewart, NY route also could be like that.

I was thinking, could Allegiant make LAS-LNK (Lincoln, Nebraska) work? It may be to close to OMA and they have WN to LAS, but so does STL and BLV seems to be going well. LNK is another smaller-medium sized city that would seem to fit in Allegiant's business model. LNK currently has no LCC service, there current service is NW to MSP, DTW, MEM (all CRJ's) and UA to ORD and DEN (CRJ's).
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:50 pm

Iowaman,
good evening. As usual you are joining into an intelligent conversation. A nice change from what I read in this forum normally. I wish I could give you better info. LAS-BLV seems to be doing well. It's a new plan (I would imagine with the new NW competition) but our people know what they are doing. I look forward to the future and I am confident we can fend off any challenges. Time will tell sir.

Rick
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 2):
Good evening all G4 fans

Hey Rick,

Here is my plug for you! Took this from the Sunset viewing area last March.


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Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:23 pm

NikV69,

That plug is defintely worth a walk across the office. Although, you have proven your worth a long time ago. Thanx for the pic
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 8):
Thanx for the pic

My pleasure, good chance a copy of it will be hanging in the new terminal at IFP. I spend just about every day there in the winter and got friendly with one of the exec directors of the airport. She expressed some interest in my work and believe me they need some good pics there! Will keep you posted.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:02 pm

NIKV69,
I will be in IFP a couple of times over the next few weeks. I'll be meeting my mother at the AVI for my birthday (Sep 20) and I'll be at the Riverside for a bowling tourney Oct 2nd. Wanna do some spotting????
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:32 pm

I knew some people from work and in my neighborhood that had relatives from LAS area that used G4's nonstop service to ICT. They mentioned how convenient and inexpensive G4 was to get to their destinations.
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:57 pm

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 10):
NIKV69,
I will be in IFP a couple of times over the next few weeks. I'll be meeting my mother at the AVI for my birthday (Sep 20) and I'll be at the Riverside for a bowling tourney Oct 2nd. Wanna do some spotting????

I would but I am not in Laughlin yet!  mad 

I arrive right before New Years and leave mid March. Please check on that new terminal and give me an update! Also email FlagshipAZ and let him know you are coming. Tom will definitely be into spotting and if you have some spare time I suggest a drive to IGM. It's only 20-30 mins away.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:22 am

Hello everyone:

Any in the know as to how SGF is doing. I fly from SGF to ORD a lot and see the LAS pax checking in, etc. Seems to be a good crowd.

I'm giving it a try at the end of the month. Looking forward to flying to LAS without having to go through DEN.

Thanks,

Midway 7
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:58 am

Midway7,

Welcome aboard. I hope your flight is on time and pleasent. Email me if you want to do some spotting or need any info about Vegas. And thanx for flying Allegiant. If you dont have hotel reservatons yet, check with us as we have great package deals.

NIKV69,

I will email Tom. Thanks for the suggestion about Kingman. Sounds great. Let me know when you're in town.

FATFlyer,

I haven't heard from you in awhile. I hope all is well? Same goes for Kcrwflyer and cldflyer. Talk to me goose!
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:32 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 14):
FATFlyer,
I haven't heard from you in awhile. I hope all is well? Same goes for Kcrwflyer and cldflyer.

Busy, busy, busy plus travelling the past 2 weekends with my wife. I hear we should have another route announcement soon for Allegiant.

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 14):
Talk to me goose!

Movie quotes like that are usually a dead giveaway to someones age!!!

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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:19 am

Roger, Roger. What's our Vector, Victor??
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:59 am

That's Clarence Oveur. Over.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:06 am

Wow. Stand by why I try to get my foot out of my mouth! boggled 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:24 am

FATFlyer and ATCRick,

Good day to you all. I keep hearing rumblings that G4 will be entering into the Ohio market soon. I can think of 4 airports they would be thinking entering. I was just wondering what your thoughts on these airports are.

YNG - I heard through an informant they were heavily weighing this airport and an announcement was very likely. I could see doing both LAS and SFB a couple times weekly here because IMO it fits G4's profile.

LCK - I would think this is another airport that fits their profile like a BLV only serving the Columbus/Southern Ohio market.

TOL - While TMA already flies SFB, G4 could really give them a run for their money and IMO would be better for TOL then TMA. I think they both could cohabit in the market with TMA having connecting to the Carribbean. LAS would make money because when TMA flew it, the 757s were always full.

DAY - While FL hasn't tapped the LAS market yet G4 could get a leg up on the competition and run the route prolly fairly successful.

Comments?

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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 14):
I haven't heard from you in awhile. I hope all is well? Same goes for Kcrwflyer and cldflyer. Talk to me goose!

Doing great ATCRick! Great to see CID-SFB finally made it to the schedules! Will definitely use it to visit the relatives in Orlando.
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 19):
YNG - I heard through an informant they were heavily weighing this airport and an announcement was very likely. I could see doing both LAS and SFB a couple times weekly here because IMO it fits G4's profile.

Sounds good to me.

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 19):

LCK - I would think this is another airport that fits their profile like a BLV only serving the Columbus/Southern Ohio market.

WN might offer cheap service between CMH and LAS, but heh, look at OKC.

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 19):
TOL - While TMA already flies SFB, G4 could really give them a run for their money and IMO would be better for TOL then TMA. I think they both could cohabit in the market with TMA having connecting to the Carribbean. LAS would make money because when TMA flew it, the 757s were always full.

TOL would work.

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 19):
DAY - While FL hasn't tapped the LAS market yet G4 could get a leg up on the competition and run the route prolly fairly successful.

FL seems like just the carrier that would announce this route if G4 did...

But first let's hit up the Midwestern cities and get back at NW for ruining our fun. I can think of a pair of MN cities that would service it quite well...
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:04 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 21):
I can think of a pair of MN cities that would service it quite well...

RST(Rochester, MN) and DLH(Duluth, MN) come to mind......
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 14):
NIKV69,

I will email Tom. Thanks for the suggestion about Kingman. Sounds great. Let me know when you're in town.

Awesome, definitely get a hold of Tom, tell him I said to email me. Hope you guys have a good time. As for me I snow bird it so you can can catch me at IFP in the winter. I hate the NY winters!  cold 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 22):

RST(Rochester, MN) and DLH(Duluth, MN) come to mind......

 Smile Yup. Imagine how much that would tick off Steenland.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:42 am

Allegiant's Originating ticket lift at LAS is 3.25% of overall boardings. That means that 96.75% of their passengers originate in a downline city and and that percentage of their boardings is the return trip back to their originating city. Overall Allegiant sells 87.5% of their seats thru vacation package tour companies.
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:43 am

I've been fairly silent lately so i thought ied drop in. I think they should fly to crw...but i guess you all knew that. *drifts back in to silence*
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:13 am

Quoting SunValley (Reply 25):
Allegiant's Originating ticket lift at LAS is 3.25% of overall boardings. That means that 96.75% of their passengers originate in a downline city and and that percentage of their boardings is the return trip back to their originating city. Overall Allegiant sells 87.5% of their seats thru vacation package tour companies.

Thanks for the numbers SunValley. I always knew the % of sales through vacation packages was over 75% but didn't have a better number.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:53 pm

FlyinRyan99,

Welcome to the Allegiant threads. And very good information. You'll make friends here. Just a little advice, always look to FATFlyer, CIDflyer, Kcrwflyer, Nikv69, Iowaman, N908AW, and me(hopefully people feel that way) for info on G4. We're all fans, but we're all also honest.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:07 am

Looking at their route map, I'd imagine G4 would be setting their sights on Ohio in the near future. As to where is anyone's guess. My $0.02 is as follows:

YNG

Ohio's largest city without any kind of scheduled commercial air service. While the Youngstown-Warren area has a catchment area of roughly 600,000 people, most have settled with the quick drive to CAK, or drive to PIT or CLE. The key would be whether the airport authority would be competant enough to attract and maintain air service by Allegiant, and whether people will once again turn to the local airport for air service. Service to both SFB and LAS would likely perform very well, assuming both parties can create a marketing blitz to get people to use the new service.

LCK

Columbus' second airport, used primarily for charter and leisure traffic. Defunct Southeast Airlines flew from LCK to LAS several times weekly as a stopover from Lehigh Valley. From what I head, the route did mediocre, with the plane being comprised of about half travelers from ABE and the other half from LCK. I'm not sure if G4 could attract any more customers, especially with America West and Southwest serving the Columbus area from Vegas quite well already from CMH.

TOL

Needs a good, solid carrier to help stop the leakage of passengers to DTW. Allegiant could definitely be the answer. TransMeridian flew between TOL and LAS for a several month period, but discontinued the route. From what I heard, the route did quite well. With a strong carrier like Allegiant offering better, more frequent service, and of course low fares, G4 could do extremely well flying between TOL and LAS. As far as SFB, TMA currently serves the route several times weekly with 757s. Orlando is a huge O&D destination for the area, so both carriers could probably fly the route, but TMA would be in a better position to just hand over the route to G4 and move the aircraft to their Vacation Express business.

DAY

West coast service lacking, Vegas is definitely the next step. I have no doubt in my mind that carriers are looking at starting service from DAY to LAS, especially AirTran, as soon as they receive more 73Gs. Allegiant could beat everyone to the punch, and begin service now. The demand is unquestionably there, especially with Dayton being the low fare airport of choice for the Cincinnati area also. Allegiant could possibly work SFB service from DAY, though Delta and AirTran already serve MCO nonstop and offer a myriad of connections through ATL.

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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 29):
Comments? FATFlyer or ATCRick?

Interesting thoughts.

Ohio is one of the holes that Allegiant will probably address in coming months. I'm also starting to wonder about Allegiant's Canadian authority that hasn't been used yet. Winter would be a good time to start using it.

Out of your list the one that strikes a little note with me would be TOL. Interestingly it is also the only one I have never been to. But I know G4 regularly does charters for Harrahs out of Cleveland to Laughlin. But would that translate into enough passengers out of TOL? I'm not sure.

Someone correct me if my memory is slipping. Seems to me when I flew into YNG years ago that the airport was a loooonnng drive into Youngstown. About 10 or 15 miles?

BTW all, there will be another new city for Allegiant announced this week. Look for the new city thread.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:08 am

FATFllyer, We announced a new city today. How do you do it?
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 31):
FATFllyer, We announced a new city today. How do you do it?

LOL.  shhh  A little professional magic, a little instinct, a little guessing, a little timing, a little charm, a little fancy footwork, and a little luck.

Right now it works, one of these days I won't be able to pull it off but until then.....

Plus it seems to have generated some nice buzz on these boards for your company. I'm sure many of those on here get asked by friends and families about airlines and travel. Some positive words by them about a small carrier can only help.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:29 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 32):
Plus it seems to have generated some nice buzz on these boards for your company. I'm sure many of those on here get asked by friends and families about airlines and travel. Some positive words by them about a small carrier can only help.

Definitely. You guys have a totally different market strategy than everybody else. Who else would think to fly MadDogs to small towns that need the service? The livery is just awesome, and everybody loves the MDs. Definitely look for me to fly on your airline--under one condition.  wink 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:42 am

And you never see this many threads about a TransMeridian or Hooters.  Wink
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:58 am

ATCRick, Is Portsmouth meeting expectations?
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:52 am

Wait for it to start, buddy!
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 35):
ATCRick, Is Portsmouth meeting expectations?



Quoting N908AW (Reply 36):
Wait for it to start, buddy!

Actually it was a good question since Allegiant doesn't always wait for a route to start. Good early bookings are important otherwise they may pull the service before the first flight. In these days of high fuel costs why waste money?
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:05 pm

FATFlyer,

we keep getting better and better people in these G4 threads. Now we can add FLYCMH to that list.

FLYCMH,
I think TOL above the others. But you impressed my by your intelligent post. Well said.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:29 am

One our managers at LCK met 2 folks from G4 about 1 week ago now. They where checking the place out.

LCK is a great airport this would be very interesting.
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 30):
Out of your list the one that strikes a little note with me would be TOL. Interestingly it is also the only one I have never been to. But I know G4 regularly does charters for Harrahs out of Cleveland to Laughlin. But would that translate into enough passengers out of TOL? I'm not sure.

FATFlyer,

Passenger wise out of TOL, shouldn't be much of an issue. TMA did 2 weekly 757s out there, and also for a short time a 3rd flight that stopped in Rockford. The flights ran load factors around 75-80% from what I was told by the handling company for TMA in TOL.

Another item of interest would be this O&D report I did for TOL on the USAFlying.com site:

http://toledo.usaflying.com:8383/odreport/odreport.htm

LAS O&D from TOL has been steadily increasing over the last 6 years or so...so the market is obviously there and growing. Allegiant chatter has been there on the TOL board for the last couple of years, hopefully it finally happens.  Smile
 
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RE: Allegiant LAS & SFB Originating Passengers

Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:27 am

Are the MD-83's capable of reaching all the cities in OH, evening during the summer without weight restrictions?

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