ourboeing
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Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:32 pm

I have always wondered about why Russian Aircraft are not given a fair chance in the aviation market. And I have heard many different answers and the most common ones being, their safety record and unavailability of spare parts.

I personally feel that Russian Aircraft are not given a fair chance to prove themselves as the aviation industry does not want anything beyond A and B. I think Tupolovs and Ilyushins and Yaks are as good.

Are Russian aircraft banned from flying into US Airspace? If not, why does Aeroflot use only Boeing aircraft on it US routes?

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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:23 am

- prior to sell, you have to invest *lot* of money preparing the market, the russians doesn't have it right now
- some of their aircrafts doesn't meet all the western certification requirements
- the engines are noisier
- the fuel burn is higher
- the technology level is a little older than western competitors
- maybe the airframe would cost less to acquire, but the costs to run and maintenance would cost more
- they don't have (yet?) any revolutionary product to make a strong impression on the market
 
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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter):
Are Russian aircraft banned from flying into US Airspace?

Well, not really !!!
You seem to forget that until the late 90s, Aeroflot and most of the former "East-European" countries were flying ONLY Russian (Soviet) aircraft to the U.S, particularly the IL62


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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter):
I personally feel that Russian Aircraft are not given a fair chance to prove themselves as the aviation industry does not want anything beyond A and B. I think Tupolovs and Ilyushins and Yaks are as good.

Yaks? Do you seriously believe that for example Lufthansa should consider buying the Yak-42 to replace their 737s?

Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter):
Are Russian aircraft banned from flying into US Airspace? If not, why does Aeroflot use only Boeing aircraft on it US routes?

Some of the older, noisier types are banned. I know that the T154, T204 and IL-96 are allowed to fly to Europe, but I don't know about the US.

Aeroflot uses Boeings because they only have six IL-96 planes, and because the dispatch reliability on those planes is really low. The IL-96 spends more time on the ground than in the air.

A few years ago, when Aeroflot had a fleet of some 115 planes and only 27 of them were A and B, those 27 actually earned 50 percent of the total SU revenue.
Top 10 airplanes: B737, T154, B747, IL96, T134, IL62, A320, MD80, B757, DC10
 
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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:09 am

Thats a lot of new info. Thanks guys.
 
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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:18 am

Fair chances? A,B and E will dominate civilian air traffic in the future.
Beriev could sell some Be-210s though...
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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:51 am

The success of Russian airliners abroad depends also, at least it did back in the 90s, on an important fact - that Russian airliners are designed for Russian conditions and may be "overengineered" by Western standards. While yer average 737 (just an example, no offense to the plane  bigthumbsup  ) will fly in normally predictable and stable wx conditions, in a normal continental temperature range, from paved runways with a host of navigation and service equipment (that is the Western standard), a Tu-154 was designed with -40-ish temperatures, snow, rough runways, lack of ground support and survivability in mind. Hence their tough airframes and simple, time-tested systems.

The open spaces and low population density over most of the former Union, as well as present Russia, meant that noise pollution wasn't an issue, and the abundant oil reserves of the Azov Sea region, as well as the Urals, also placed fuel economy second to survivability.
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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:49 am

The safety??????? Russian planes are built to withstand much punishment than almost any others around, most are rough field capable and built to last. i think that honestly people are scared of what they don't know and something from behind the iron curtain is just that. do i have trouble flying on a soviet built jet? ABSOLUTELY NOT ive even worn a soviet Aeroflot shirt to the local mall and gunranges
If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
 
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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:34 pm

The Russian planes are generally very safe if you take care of them properly. But if a major Western airline would buy some of these jets, I think that much of the traveling public would be scared away from the airline at the though of flying a Russian built plane.
Top 10 airplanes: B737, T154, B747, IL96, T134, IL62, A320, MD80, B757, DC10
 
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RE: Russian Aircraft And Their Market Share

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:52 pm

I think that entering the large civil airliner market might be one good way to invest some of Russia's windfall from high oil prices. That would protect Russia's aerospave industry from declining and develop new know-how.

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