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Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:13 am

There is, of course, a significant number of services from VIE to Eastern Europe. Destinations include: PRG; WAW; KRK; LJU; ZAG; SPU; DBV; SJJ; BEG; TIA; SKP; SOF; VAR; IEV; KIV; OTP; ODS; Lvov; TSR; Cluj-; MSQ; RIX; and VNO. If you include Russia, you can add MOW and LED. Some might also include BAK, EVN and TBS. Now, could anyone giving me a full list of Eastern Europe destinations from VIE including, if possible, the frequencies and aircraft types? I'd be very grateful. Thanks.  Smile
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:16 am

Well check OS's timetable for starters. They have pretty much the biggest network (alongside LH) of East Euro destinations of any Western euro carrier. I suspect they wil serve every one of their destinations in the region from VIE.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:23 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
Well check OS's timetable for starters.

Indeed. But I don't know all the smaller airlines' details, hence my request for a comprehensive list.  Wink
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:25 am

Well get yourself a copy of the latest OAG then, rather than getting us to do your donkey work for you  Wink
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
Well get yourself a copy of the latest OAG then, rather than getting us to do your donkey work for you

:D Not all of 'em are listed in OAG.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:29 am

Okay here are the infos for Ukraine:

From Vienna to

-Dnepropetrowsk (DNK), daily, 1040-1400 on OS675 (CRJ)
-Kharkov (HRK), 1 3 5 7 , 1020-1340 on OS751 (CRJ)
-Kiev (KBP), daily, 1035-1335 on OS661 (32S)
-Kiev (KBP), 12345, 1740-2030 on OS7173 (operated by PS848 on 737)
-Kiev (KVP), daily, 2015-2310 on OS7171 (operated by PS846 on 737)
-Lviv (LWO), 1 3 5 7, 1320-1545 on OS381 (DH8)
-Odessa (ODS), daily, 1100-1400 on OS7175 (operated by PS819 on 737)

did I forgot some?
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:31 am

They were also flying to POZ but this is to be discontinued shortly. LH/LO codeshares finished them off.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:32 am

I would like to see increased competition for OS with other Eastern European carriers moving in and offering services ex VIE. I think Austrian has become somewhat compacent about this market and its constant cuts to service levels in recent years would leave an alternative airline offering decent timings, fares and a better, full-service on board product at a distinct advantage.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:36 am

Try this baby - Vienna Airport's timetable......

http://english.viennaairport.com/flugplan_form.cfm
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:04 am

Here is ( i hope ) a full list of eastern Europe and GUS Destinations from Vienna

BUD OS
PRG OS / OK
WAW OS / LO
MSQ OS
MOW OS / SU
LED OS / FV
BAK OS
BUH OS / RO
TSR OS
CLJ RO
SBZ RO
KRK OS / LO
LJU JP ( OS will end their Service with beginning of winter timetable )
ZAG OS / OU
SPU OS / OU ( summer only )
DBV OS / OU ( summer only )
SJJ OS
BEG OS / JU
TIA OS
SKP OS / MAT
SOF OS / FB
VAR OS / FB
IEV OS / PS
KIV OS
ODS PS
LWO OS
RIX OS / BT
VNO OS / BT
EVN OS
TBS OS / A9
DNK OS
HRK OS
DOK 4D
KSC OS
ROV OS

soon we have to add: ALA,IAS,PDV,ARW,OMR and REN

Plans are to add TAS and AGB in the not too far future, however it depends on traffic rights.

I would like to see TLL as this is a wonderful city.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:15 am

How far into Eastern Europe does one need to fly with Austrian to get a cup of coffee?
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
How far into Eastern Europe does one need to fly with Austrian to get a cup of coffee?

BUD
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:30 am

Really? I heard a rumour Austrian had turned into a no-frills carrier and charged for food and drinks on its European flights!
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting VORFMD (Reply 9):
Plans are to add TAS and AGB in the not too far future, however it depends on traffic rights.

AGB/EDMA? Really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you provide a cite?
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
Really? I heard a rumour Austrian had turned into a no-frills carrier and charged for food and drinks on its European flights!

Hmm, yes on short Flights they are not better only more expensive, but on my last Flight to BUD in June I got a cup of Coffee for free and I think it was not because of my blue Eyes.

Quoting EDDM (Reply 13):
AGB/EDMA? Really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you provide a cite?

Not really, my mistake - i meant ASB - Ashgabat - sorry
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:51 am

If I were travelling from Vienna into Eastern Europe I would take an Eastern European airline. Malev, Tarom, Lot, Jat they all offer a complimentary food/drink service.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 15):
If I were travelling from Vienna into Eastern Europe I would take an Eastern European airline. Malev, Tarom, Lot, Jat they all offer a complimentary food/drink service.

Well this was a little bit difficult as only OS is operating the Route from VIE to BUD. By the Way, i don´t need any Food on a 30 min ride to BUD or a 45 min ride to PRG or MUC.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:27 am

I think the major problem oif VIE are the outrageous taxes they charge. I'm flying to MEX next week with IB, sweet deal of 357 EUR fare and nightmare of another nearly 190 EUR on taxes, huge chunk of it being VIE departure tax I suspect. Unfortunately this fare is not offered out of PRG since IB's service PRG-MAD & PRG-BCN is only a c/s on OK hardware.
BTW, most of the E. European destinations are served out of PRG as well (and cheaper), with some extras such as TLL, KUF, SVX, EVN, etc.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 17):
I'm flying to MEX next week with IB, sweet deal of 357 EUR fare and nightmare of another nearly 190 EUR on taxes, huge chunk of it being VIE departure tax I suspect.

Airlines normally hide their fuel surcharge in the tax/fee part. Be aware of that! Vienna airport is indeed one of the most expensive places in worldwide, but the currently high amounts of additional costs are mainly caused by the airlines.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:14 am

I am well aware of the fact that airlines try to keep the fares optically low by moving portion of the fare under fees for this and surcharge for that, etc. but this doesn't change the fact that VIE is ranked among the most expensive apts. in Europe.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:24 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
could anyone giving me a full list of Eastern Europe destinations from VIE including, if possible, the frequencies and aircraft types?

This is taken from JAT and OS websites and contains information on flights operated both by JAT and Austrian (they have code-share agreement).

BEG-VIE

Th,Fr,Sa,Su 08:15 JU 314 (OS 7132) 09:45 AT7
Mo,Tu,We 08:30 OS 772 (JU 8314) 09:45 DH8
DAILY 15:25 OS 774 (JU 8312) 16:40 319
DAILY 16:55 JU 312 (OS 7134) 18:25 AT7


VIE-BEG

Mo,Tu,We 06:50 OS 771 (JU 8315) 07:50 DH8
Th,Fr,Sa,Su 12:05 JU 315 (OS 7131) 12:05 AT7
DAILY 13:30 OS 773 (JU 8313) 14:40 319
DAILY 19:20 JU 313 (OS 7133) 20:40 AT7

I hope this will help you.


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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:30 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 15):
If I were travelling from Vienna into Eastern Europe I would take an Eastern European airline. Malev, Tarom, Lot, Jat they all offer a complimentary food/drink service.


There is so much more to air travel than the bloody catering.

Make yourself a sandwich before you leave, and ask the cabin crew to serve it to you on the plane.

This constant carping about a hot meal and now a cup of coffee is incredibly anal.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:35 am

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 21):
There is so much more to air travel than the bloody catering.

I absolutely agree with you. For example, on BEG-VIE-BEG sector, I would have chosen OS daily flights on A319, simply to enjoy flying on jet airliner (I'm not a fan of either Dash 8s or ATR-72) and wouldn't give a damn if OS won't provide any food on board.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:21 pm

Fair enough, but its another thing completley for Austrian to take for granted its position as the favoured airline for Eastern Europe. Its recent changes to service levels smacks of complacency and arrogance, particualrly as many of the Eastern European airlines provide a high quality service with complimentary food and drink even on relativley short sectors.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:29 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Now, could anyone giving me a full list of Eastern Europe destinations from VIE including, if possible, the frequencies and aircraft types?

OS usually sends an Austrian Arrows Dash 8 to ZAG, several times each day, for the whole 7 days I think.

Btw, Hungary and downward is South-Eastern Europe.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:36 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
How far into Eastern Europe does one need to fly with Austrian to get a cup of coffee?

Zero miles - I'd get it in the business lounge before i even got on the flight  Wink

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 23):
Its recent changes to service levels smacks of complacency and arrogance,

Actually I think its more to do with cutting costs and trying to get its business in better shape and make a profit.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:05 pm

Eastern European routes have always been a cash cow for Austrian. They have always done good business on these routes. The cuts to the service levels were unnecessary but a case of 'we have the business in the bag, so we will now take less care of you'

I hope airlines like CSA, Lot, Jat, and Ukraine see some Austrian passengers switch to them. These airlines still provide a high quality on board service and have copetitive fares.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:08 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 26):
Eastern European routes have always been a cash cow for Austrian. They have always done good business on these routes. The cuts to the service levels were unnecessary but a case of 'we have the business in the bag, so we will now take less care of you'

err have you seen Austrian airlines financial performance of late - that's why they need to cut costs.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:40 pm

guys,

i just arrived from dus in vie, and flew the previous days with sk,lh and
i can tell you the best of them was and is austrian airlines !

with sk/lh you get mereley a snack in full fare business class, with os warm 3 course meals, champagne and lots of spirits! sas sells meals in their business class from arn to cph and if you want a coke you have to pay 2eur

in regards to the flight attendents i experienced the last days, the os ladies and gents have been the most friendly and helpful ones. from the sas people you dont even get a smile and the lh attendents are arrogant as ever.

i agree with you that in eco they reduced to the min. coffee, tea and water but thats also the same you get on sky europe, ryanair etc.
they lowered their service where they lowered their fares and this is fair enough!

i was really surprised how austrian maintained and increased their service standards onboard !

well done austrian airlines, by the way their new livery is superb good!
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:49 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 26):
I hope airlines like CSA, Lot, Jat, and Ukraine see some Austrian passengers switch to them. These airlines still provide a high quality on board service and have copetitive fares.

While I'll agree that CSA has always been a good little airline Orion, are you telling me you've recently flown with Ukranian international or JAT in order to be able to back that statement up? - or is it just guesswork from you because you don't like the fact that Austrian has cut meals on board?
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 23):
Fair enough, but its another thing completley for Austrian to take for granted its position as the favoured airline for Eastern Europe.

Austrian was specialized in this market and it seems they are doing fine. In the last year or so, they also decided to sode-share with JAT.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 25):
Actually I think its more to do with cutting costs and trying to get its business in better shape and make a profit

It definitely has much to do with that. Also, Belgrade is not a perfect market for Austrian any more because of competition. The main target of all foreign airlines here is to get as many transit passengers as it is possible. In that situation, they have to offer very good deals for flight to North America and it often means they won't earn much on BEG-VIE segment of the flight. In particular case of Austrian, having a meal on flight or not is not such a big issue. After all, it is an hour and fifiteen minutes long flight.

Quoting Panamandy (Reply 28):
i agree with you that in eco they reduced to the min. coffee, tea and water but thats also the same you get on sky europe, ryanair etc.
they lowered their service where they lowered their fares and this is fair enough!

And the price is not much higher. If you pay slightly less than 500 US$ on RT to JFK from Belgrade in BA, you're probably getting BEG-LHR-BEG flight at the LCC price. This is just an example to prove my point, not a real fact because prices change really fast and in the months to come they'll ve bery low.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 29):
are you telling me you've recently flown with Ukranian international or JAT in order to be able to back that statement up?

I haven't flown them either but I think JAT will provide some cold meal on that flight. As for level of service, well lots of passengers complain, some are happy, so we should leave it to individual tastes. I strongly believe that nobody will die on board without a food for slightly over an hour long flight. Also, I believe that here, Austrian and JAT have different targets. OS is loking for transit passengers, JAT for point to point passengers.
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:30 am

Its not just flights of an hours duration. It takes 2 hours to reach some Austrian Euro destinations from VIE but they still give you Sweet Fanny Adams! Yet they claim to be full-service. lets hope they do as Lx did and reinstate food.

Panamandy, OS may serve you champers and 3 course meals in C class but for those of us who dont have the money to pay for a c ticket or more likely a fat expense account to pick up the tab, we would still appreciate a sandwich on a flight from VIE-LHR when flying in economy of a supposedly full--service airline!
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:06 am

orion737

you have this bistro service onboard and you get a sandwich for 3eur, if i am flying on ryanair i have to pay also for my sandwich! so i dont see the point to claim that os/lh or whoever charges food in eco and thats its ok for the lcc.

by the way the last time i wanted to go to london austrian was 85 euros cheaper than ryanair out of linz.

and i used my miles for upgrades another perk os offers!
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:10 am

Ryanair is a no-frills airline. Austrian is (supposedly) a full service airline, therefore it should provide a complimentary on-biard service.

I do not want a 3 Euro sandwich on a early morning flight from LHR-VIE, I want a breakfast, as does probably the business people and holidaymakers onboard.
 
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RE: Flights To Eastern Europe From VIE

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:44 am

did you ever fly on austrian ?

you can have a full breakfast, continental breakfast, warm sandwiches, soups, whatever your heart desires, but if you are on a peanutsfare you have to pay for it!

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