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Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:17 am

Do you think OH/Comair could feed Delta's trans-atlantic flights by one or two daily CRJ-200s to each of these cities? I think at least 1 daily CR2, timed for international connections, would work for Burlington.
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:29 am

I personally feel PVD could support and 1x daily JFK flight timed for the evening Int'l push too...
 
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:16 pm

I know JFK/SYR/BUF have competitionf rom jetBlue, but I think the convenience of interlining with international carriers, having one ticket, and being in the same terminal would allow DL to draw the connection pax in.
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:57 pm

Connecting traffic can dilute the yields of a flight. American tried to use Eagle flights to feed its operation out of JFK for quite some time. JetBlue's entry into the BUF/ROC/SYR markets put the nail in the coffin.

At its peak, American Eagle had JFK service to Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, Hartford, Providence, Worcester, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, Columbus, Washington Dulles, Washington Reagan, Montreal and Raleigh. The only service that remains is BOS, DCA, YUL, RDU, and 1 lone flight to CLE.

AA has decided not to build a large RJ wing for its new terminal at JFK, because the feeder traffic didn't make much. I would assume it's the same for Delta. Both legacy carriers are most likely better off concentrating on O & D traffic out of JFK.
 
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:10 am

Actually, NYCAAer, rumor has it that Eagle will return a large number of flights to JFK, with the whole domicile moving back to Kennedy from LGA.

You have to remember a few things:
1. Most of those flights were flown with Saabs. Saabs have been pulled from the NE. It's hard to send an RJ between JFK and ALB . . . the economics are different (a lot different)

2. Eagle had a trailer park for a gate are throughout most of construction. There was a time when Eagle had the whole west side of the last concourse in T9. But when the middle concourse was taken down, everything got squished into the one remaining domestic concourse causing Eagle to get pushed into the temporary gates. These gates couldn't handle much.

3. If you look at the new terminal, the RJ concourse was eliminated, but according to the press release, Eagle will have 9 gates when all is said and done. The original plan called for 15 gates. Point being is, the terminal was downsized due to AA financial heartache after 9/11. Eagle will still be a MAJOR player feeding AAs flights . . . there 9 gates came at the expense of mainline flights.

JFK and Eagle have a lot of factors that complicated the situation. Those are just a few. Unfortunately for Eagle, DL Connection has steadily grown at JFK . . .ASA has a base there. AA left the door open for this.

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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:42 am

Delta (using BEX) used to have BUF/ROC/SYR to JFK and LGA flights. JFK went first, then LGA.
 
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 1):
I personally feel PVD could support and 1x daily JFK flight timed for the evening Int'l push too...

Every current station that sees DL service to JFK wants their flights timed to meet the International push. Unfortunately DL can usually only provide it one direction (inbound) as 3 PM - 7 PM requires slots or use of your exemptions and DL doesn't have enough for use of every market. Any new JFK service would likely just be for O&D traffic and timed around that 4 hour window.
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 6):
Every current station that sees DL service to JFK wants their flights timed to meet the International push. Unfortunately DL can usually only provide it one direction (inbound) as 3 PM - 7 PM requires slots or use of your exemptions and DL doesn't have enough for use of every market. Any new JFK service would likely just be for O&D traffic and timed around that 4 hour window

I realize this, but times are tough for new service right now, so I'm pretty much grasping at straws right now!
 
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 6):
Every current station that sees DL service to JFK wants their flights timed to meet the International push. Unfortunately DL can usually only provide it one direction (inbound) as 3 PM - 7 PM requires slots or use of your exemptions and DL doesn't have enough for use of every market. Any new JFK service would likely just be for O&D traffic and timed around that 4 hour window.

Well, what's wrong with a 7:01 PM CRJ departure from JFK? Last I checked, the maximum connecting time on international-to-domestic is 24 hours, not 4.
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RE: Could OH Feed DL At JFK To BTV, ALB, PWM, Etc.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 3):
The only service that remains is BOS, DCA, YUL, RDU, and 1 lone flight to CLE.

You also forgot to add YYZ, YHZ, and STL. AE has actually been growing ever so slighlty at JFK, over the last 2 years or so.
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