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DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:46 am

I was just wondering which cities are likely to see DL Connection EMB-170 service from SLC? Specifically, SEA currently gets several CRJ-200s in addition to mainline service. Is there any chance of seeing an EMB-170 mixed in with the CRJ-200s on SLC-SEA?

If so, I will be going out of my way to be on one of those flights!

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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Is there any chance of seeing an EMB-170 mixed in with the CRJ-200s on SLC-SEA?

Most likely not. The EMB-170s out of SLC will be used to open up new transcon routes, like CMH, BNA, IND, JAX, replace/supplement mainline and CRJs on transcons, like DTW and RDU, or for new Mexican routes like CZM or MZT. SO, unless there is enough time for a tag-on leg out of SLC to the West Coast, SLC-SEA E70 service isn't going to happen.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:04 am

Will we likely see the additions/substitutions on the 17Sep05 update?
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Will we likely see the additions/substitutions on the 17Sep05 update?

Two new routes to skyTeam hubs.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:28 am

using the E70?

That narrows it down SLC to IAH, EWR, MEM, MSP, DTW, CLE, & MEX..

And there are already flights to MEX, IAH, MSP, EWR, DTW.. so it must be CLE and ???
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4):
That narrows it down SLC to IAH, EWR, MEM, MSP, DTW, CLE, & MEX..

And there are already flights to MEX, IAH, MSP, EWR, DTW.. so it must be CLE and ???

...the only one you left out: MEM!
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Will we likely see the additions/substitutions on the 17Sep05 update?

Yes.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:58 am

I say bring 'em all on (E-Jets). Void the scope clause with the BK and put an end to suffering in 50 seat tin cans to markets more than ready for the comfortable 70 seaters.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:20 am

Actually, Aeromexico will drop the SLC-MEX flight at the end of this week.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:43 am

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 8):
Actually, Aeromexico will drop the SLC-MEX flight at the end of this week.

They are not dropping it. It is a seasonal service.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:56 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
They are not dropping it. It is a seasonal service.

Is SLC-MEX becoming seasonal service? For the past 4 years the route was flown, it was year-round service.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
Most likely not. The EMB-170s out of SLC will be used to open up new transcon routes, like CMH, BNA, IND, JAX,

Does the E-170 have the range for that out of a airport like SLC? I've heard that the aircraft has about a 2 hour range with full payload out of an airport at 5000'...nevermind when it gets hot.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:40 am

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 10):

Is SLC-MEX becoming seasonal service? For the past 4 years the route was flown, it was year-round service.

The route has not been flown for four years. It was launched this past January:

Houston, TX � January, 17, 2005 � Aeromexico, Mexico's largest airline, announced the introduction of new nonstop service from Salt Lake City International Airport to Mexico City. This new flight commenced on January 8, operating on Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.


It should be resuming next summer, though that can change.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:50 am

AeroMexico is pulling out of SLC, all of the station material and a/c mx parts have already been shipped out. I have heard that DL will pickup the flights. Their schedule did change now and then but they basically served MEX and HMO until the last six months or so. There is presently atleast one flt out of SLC on the EMB170, Republic I believe.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:03 am

Quoting N685FE (Reply 13):
AeroMexico is pulling out of SLC, all of the station material and a/c mx parts have already been shipped out. I have heard that DL will pickup the flights. Their schedule did change now and then but they basically served MEX and HMO until the last six months or so. There is presently atleast one flt out of SLC on the EMB170, Republic I believe.

Thanks for the news. I didn't even realize the SLC-HMO service had already ended, I though that was continuing. Too bad to see them end SLC service.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:20 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Does the E-170 have the range for that out of a airport like SLC? I've heard that the aircraft has about a 2 hour range with full payload out of an airport at 5000'...nevermind when it gets hot.

It depends on the version. In a nut shell, they do fine at high altitude.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The route has not been flown for four years. It was launched this past January:

Houston, TX � January, 17, 2005 � Aeromexico, Mexico's largest airline, announced the introduction of new nonstop service from Salt Lake City International Airport to Mexico City. This new flight commenced on January 8, operating on Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

No matter what the press release says, Aeromexico launched the route in December of 2001.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/671354/6/

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/532839/6/


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Hopefully, they will relaunch the route with the EMB-170.

[Edited 2005-09-14 06:10:57]
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:33 pm

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 16):
No matter what the press release says, Aeromexico launched the route in December of 2001.

Thanks for the correction. What that means, then, is that those flight were dropped, and then re-started again in January 2005. The SLC-MEX flights didn't operate for some period in between that.

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 16):


Hopefully, they will relaunch the route with the EMB-170.

An EMB-170, with MEX's high/hot/dry runway, won't make SLC-MEX.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:24 pm

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 7):
I say bring 'em all on (E-Jets). Void the scope clause with the BK and put an end to suffering in 50 seat tin cans to markets more than ready for the comfortable 70 seaters.

If only it were so easy, but regardless of that, I fully agree. The 70-seaters are more popular with the customers, and at the same time have a lower CASM, meaning everybody would profit from more 70-seaters. Well, except mainline pilots obviously .

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
I've heard that the aircraft has about a 2 hour range with full payload out of an airport at 5000'...nevermind when it gets hot.

If that were the case, DL wouldn't have alreadyy announced SLC-CMH. The flights should be doing fine, maybe aside from a few cargo restrictions.

[Edited 2005-09-14 10:31:18]
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:49 pm

Didn't DL have plans to make SLC-MZT an E170 route as well? Thought I heard something about that. I hope so...would love to have a stopover in SLC for a bit of skiing before catching my first E170 flight for some sun in MZT.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:32 pm

The 170 is being setup for SLC ops to CZM and MZT. They do all ready fly from DTW-SLC.


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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:36 pm

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=345305&docketid=21724

DL/Shuttle America just got DOT approval for SLC-MZT...

Does this tie up 1 or 2 "slots" for US-Mexico service in a given market when a feeder carrier and mainline carrier joint apply?

I'm guessing it's 1...
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:15 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 21):
Does this tie up 1 or 2 "slots" for US-Mexico service in a given market when a feeder carrier and mainline carrier joint apply?

I'm guessing it's 1...

You're correct in your assumption, mainline and regional partners count as two different entities. Hence why Frontier made a rockus when UA proposed to serve some DEN-Mexico route by both mainline and an Express carrier, or when DL decided to have ASA on the SLC-SJD in the off-season and mainline in high season. Thanks to that, DL won't have to fear competition from other US carriers on that route.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 15):
It depends on the version. In a nut shell, they do fine at high altitude.

What version is DL getting?
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
If that were the case, DL wouldn't have alreadyy announced SLC-CMH

I can think of quite a few routes that were announced with the knowledge that they would face payload restrictions...especially CRJ100/200/700 routes out of DEN like DEN/RDU.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22):
You're correct in your assumption, mainline and regional partners count as two different entities. Hence why Frontier made a rockus when UA proposed to serve some DEN-Mexico route by both mainline and an Express carrier, or when DL decided to have ASA on the SLC-SJD in the off-season and mainline in high season. Thanks to that, DL won't have to fear competition from other US carriers on that route.

By what you're saying, my assumption is wrong - the joint application takes both (2) available "US carrier" allotments on the SLC-MZT route away then.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:41 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 25):
By what you're saying, my assumption is wrong - the joint application takes both (2) available "US carrier" allotments on the SLC-MZT route away then.

No, it is only one. While the application might be a joint application, Shuttle America will be the operating carrier on this route, operating as Delta Connection on behalf of Delta, hence the "joint" application.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:09 am

Ooohh OK. I thought that DL was proposeing both Shuttle Anerican and mainline would be servicng the route...nevermind & thanks.

Assuming by you name - good luck with everything going on at DL...
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 20):
The 170 is being setup for SLC ops to CZM and MZT. They do all ready fly from DTW-SLC

SLC-CZM will be operated with the 737-800.

Edit to add: SLC-MZT will begin in March instead of December.

[Edited 2005-09-14 19:21:07]
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:57 am

Not from what has been coming from Republic HQ.


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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:07 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 29):
Not from what has been coming from Republic HQ.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p81/341787.pdf

BTW, SLC-CZM is over 2000 miles.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 29):
Not from what has been coming from Republic HQ.

If Shuttle America is going to fly the route, they will need to apply for it. Right now, DL has only applied for mainline to fly SLC-CZM. Shuttle would need to apply as well if they want to fly it for Delta.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
What version is DL getting?

170-100LR/SE
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:58 am

Still within the range of the E170.


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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 32):
170-100LR/SE

Now what does the SE stand for, Special Edition?!?

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 27):
Assuming by you name - good luck with everything going on at DL...

Thanks, though I only have my miles to worry about (and a possible future at DL in the long run). The real hardworking employees at DL (read: not management) need the good luck.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:35 am

Hey anybody know if RIC is getting any of these?? I doubt SLC-RIC would be profitable, but what about RIC-ATL or CVG? Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:42 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 35):
I doubt SLC-RIC would be profitable, but what about RIC-ATL or CVG? Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

The E70s will not be operated ou of ATL nor CVG except the DTW-CVG roundtrip operated to increase utilization. However, should DL be able to ease up the scope clauses under CH11 even more, more E70s might be operated and become a possibility for ATL and CVG. For now, it's SLC and soon JFK.
 
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:21 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 36):
For now, it's SLC and soon JFK.

None at the CMH focus city besides SLC-CMH?

BTW, what are the DL focus cities besides CMH?
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RE: DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:32 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 37):
None at the CMH focus city besides SLC-CMH?

CMH-JFK once daily.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 37):
BTW, what are the DL focus cities besides CMH?

LAX, BOS, FLL, TPA, MCO, LGA, and somewhat also CDG, albeit not as much as AMS is for NW.

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