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Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:12 am

Hi All...

I was hoping someone might point me in the proper direction to find pictures of Time Air's Twin Otter fleet? I have searched, and cannot find anything. Growing up in Time Air's hometown, I was directly below one of the flightpaths they used when coming in from the North. I always enjoyed watching the Shorts 330 overhead, and later the Dash 7 and Dash 8...all of which I can find photos. Unfortunately, it seems no pictures exist for the Twin Otter, or even more rare..a supposed Fokker F-27 long before they had the F-28.


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1970's livery on Shorts 330 (lovingly called "the flying boxcar" for locals)

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updated late 1980's livery on Dash 7, also previously wore a bannered "SkyDash" paintscheme, later a blended Pacific Western/Time Air colourscheme (does ANYONE have a pic of that, it was hideous!) and finally, the Canadi>n Partner livery

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Canadi>n Partner livery, later Canadi>n Regional, AC Jazz

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Canadi>n Partner/Time Air 25th anniversary livery, later Canadi>n Regional



*other "larger" aircraft Time Air operated were the Shorts 360, and various Convair 580/640's
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:55 pm

I assume you live in YQL, the best place to go would be the local library and check the archives for a pic of the T.O.. I believe Stubb Ross didn't operate these aircraft for very long, and then got into the Beech 99 aircraft.
As for the F27, that was after taking over Norcanair of YXE in addition to their CV580/F28 fleet.
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:02 pm

I had wondered where the F-27 came from. I remember seeing the tail sticking out of the old YQL hanger...and I knew it wasn't a Dash 7. IIRC, did the tail have the old TA logo on it?

I had the opportunity to fly the Twin Otter, Dash 7/8 and F 28, but never the 580/640 or S330/360...
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:32 pm

You can see the old SD360's/cv580'S at Springbank west of YYC, although not in flying condition unfortunately. You may want to venture out to the YQL airport, there are still some old KI staff still working there that had parents/relatives that worked for KI, and may have some old memorbilia/pics that you can scan.
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:49 pm

Yes the F27 had the KI logo on it.

They operated B18, T.O., B99, B90, CitationII, SD330, SD360,DH7,DH8,CV580,CV640,F28,F27 over their lifetime of 32years (1966-1998)
The B99/B90/CitationII were obtained throught the purchase of Southern Frontier Airways of YYC in early-mid 80'S
The F28/F27 through purchase of Norcanair
The DH8-300 C-GKTA was the world's first DH8-300 put into commercial service, and actually flew around the world on a promotional tour for deHavilland/Canadair
Was the largest operator of F28 aircraft in the world with 32 of type operating Canada wide (was actually named Canadian Regional at the time but still opd under KI's O.C.)
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:55 pm

TIMEAIR...


I had forgotten about Southern Frontier. I remember the aquisition of addt'l. 580/640's from a couple of small BC operators. There was quite an array of modified paintschemes into KI colours....
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:17 pm

Rikkus

The best one of all was the CV580, I believe the reg was C-GKFW, but not 100% sure.

Was painted Royal blue with red/blue stripe up side

And best of all.....Had the Domino Pizza "Noid" on the tail!!!!

Was executive aircraft for Domino Pizza, and had to actually use a chainsaw to cut out teak bar from inside due to its massive size. Was actually manufactured inside the aircraft for install.
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:45 pm

*yawn* WAY past my bedtime! damn insomnia!

Time... What was your position with KI?

Rik

ps. LOVE to see that 580!
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:13 am

TIMEAIR - Sadly the Convairs out in Springbank are no more. I always wanted to get a good shot of them and never did. I remember driving past them since I was a kid and even after Canadian was gone, it was great seeing the Canadian tail sticking above the bushes.

They must have disappeared early this summer, must have sadly been scrapped.
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:40 am

OK .. WHY ....

DO so many people when referering to Canadian Airlines in print insist on showing the second 'a' as '>' ? Was that not just a stylized 'a' meant to resemble their logo?

HOW do you pronounce '>' anyway? Wasn't it still called (pronounced) Canadian? Or was the name at some point changed to
"CANADI-greater than-N"?

This whole thing reminds me of when Prince changed his name to a symbol back in the 90s LOL!

I have a fondness for this carrier tho - since its roots were the original CPAir - which was a spinoff of the CP Line of oceanliners. To a fan of both maritime and aviation history, this company had it all! Plus i loved that wild two tone orange on silver livery - it was very daring and ahead of its time.

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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 9):
OK .. WHY ....

DO so many people when referering to Canadian Airlines in print insist on showing the second 'a' as '>' ? Was that not just a stylized 'a' meant to resemble their logo?

AH my American Friend, in the great white north we are "bilingual"
CANADI>N provided for one livery for both languages, "CANADIAN" and "CANADIEN"  Wink  biggrin 
 
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:09 pm

A good representation of why Canadian had to do that was to look at the last CP Air scheme. Canadian Pacific was on one side, Canadien Pacifique was on the other.
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:37 pm

Not to forget, the ">" was part of CP Air's last logo, to show lineage to the previous merger.  Smile
 
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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 10):
AH my American Friend, in the great white north we are "bilingual"
CANADI>N provided for one livery for both languages, "CANADIAN" and "CANADIEN"

Ah, my Canadi>n friend .. I'm only referring to the titles where the name is spelled out; not the tail logo (which i like as a logo) or the liver itself.

I think a more effective way of getting across the French/English bi-linguality of Canada would have been "Canadian" on one side of the aircraft and "Canadien" on the other. I still don't see how a 'greater-than' mathematical symbol is pronounceable - much less a combination of French/English or an 'a' and an 'e'!

Also .. are French and English the official languages of all the provinces in Canada? And are all Canadians bilingual, as you imply?

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RE: Info/pic Of TimeAir(Canada) TwinOtter / F27

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:20 pm

F27XXX

The ">" is representative of the arrow that Canadian/Canadien used in their tail logo, as CFCUQ stated. Again, as Canada is bilingual, it was a marketing gimmic, so they didn't have to put different spelling on the planes (English/French).

Furthermore, the silver bars were for the five continents they served ( a homage to CP Air/ Canadian Pacific - Canadien Pacifique), and the arrow itself was a simplified version of the Pacific Western Airlines "wing" (PWA bought struggling C.P. to form the basis of Canadi>n.

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CP Air - original multimark orange and red logo

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Canadian Pacific - english

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Canadien Pacifique - french

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Pacific Western - final scheme (*compare the PWA "wing" logo to Canadi>n's "wing"...it was just simplified...)

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Canadi>n - original scheme. As the CP Air fleet was much larger and varied than PWA's 737-only fleet, it was easier to modify the "Canadian Pacific - Canadien Pacifique" scheme, as it was relatively new

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Canadi>n final bilingual scheme (Proud Wings)
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