GUAMVICE
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Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:42 am

Continental recently informed the United States Postal Service in Guam that it will no longer accept parcels over 16 ounces. No official reason given. The decision comes at the instruction of the Transportation Security Agency. CO's daily flight to HNL is responsible for a significant majority of the USPS's deliveries to the Mainland. With this new restriction, over 200,000 residents in the area are affected. I apologize if there's a thread already regarding this, but I was wondering if there are similar cases to this...Read on....

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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:48 am

I wonder what the TSA's definition is of what is a "letter" and when that letter becomes a "parcel" which may then require x-ray search, maybe it's 16 ozs.

Even so I would have thought that the USPS had their own security equipment, not heard that FX have similar problems.
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:57 am

Wow - seems like a loss of an easy revenue stream. Those packages are going to go by air *someway*. Living on an island and having to send things by surface is less than desirable.
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:01 am

So is it CO that is actually refusing to carry the parcels???

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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:02 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 1):
not heard that FX have similar problems.

The security regulation at the moment is for passenger airlines. All cargo aircraft do not need the additional screening.

USPS has as a result already been making use of pure cargo airlines capacity to ship mail parcels, which likely will now need to be expanded further.
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 3):
So is it CO that is actually refusing to carry the parcels???

No, the federal TSA is stopping them from accepting them...

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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:00 am

For a number of years, the USPS has required all parcels over 16 ounces/1 Pound, to be brought in person to a USPS office and handed over the counter. This was done mainly to discourage mail bombs, especially after the 'unibomber'. As to Guam and the CO-Micro situation, probably in part for safety, but maybe to discourage heavy packages and hense extra weight on those long inter-island hops, to increase fuel mileage too.
 
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:19 am

If it means safe flights, then am all for it....  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:19 am

This looks like just a little logistics problem for the USPS. It's not that complicated a deal for them simply to charter some lift to pick up the backlogged packages, but frankly this isn't enough to charter a plane to come and get. "Seven tons of packages" sounds like a lot -- 14,000 pounds. But a DC8 or a 767-200 carry about 90,000 pounds, or more than SIX TIMES that amount. A 727 freighter can carry four times that amount. An MD-11 can carry over 200,000 pounds, while a DC10 can carry 160,000 pounds. Given this, it's hard to imagine (other than as a result of sheer bulk of packages) why some extra space isn't available via DHL or FedEx or UPS on one of their birds.

I guess the bottom line is that if it keeps accumulating, then it will ultimately be worthwhile to charter an aircraft to haul it to a larger distribution hub, where space will be more plentiful to get it to the US mainland.

CO probably misses the revenue, though.

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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:31 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 8):
I guess the bottom line is that if it keeps accumulating, then it will ultimately be worthwhile to charter an aircraft to haul it to a larger distribution hub, where space will be more plentiful to get it to the US mainland.

USPS has been lately been using a weekly Kalitta B747F to operate HNL-GUM.
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:45 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 8):
This looks like just a little logistics problem for the USPS

More like a big logistics problem. Particularly if these flights serve communities on remote islands that don't have other air service available.

Makes you wonder if the USPS could yank the entire mail contract over it.
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:32 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 9):
USPS has been lately been using a weekly Kalitta B747F to operate HNL-GUM.

Unfortunately, the problem is GUM-HNL. Kalitta only flies HNL-GUM, allowing no problem for mail headed to GUM. The only freighter flying GUM-HNL is Asia Pacific Airlines, flying 727Fs to HNL twice a week.

Quoting GuamVICE (Thread starter):
but I was wondering if there are similar cases to this...

I'm wondering if this affects the whole USPS system or only certain areas? I work for a foreign airline here in HNL that does carry US military mail from Asia and almost all those parcels are over 16oz, and tend to weigh around 30lbs each. I haven't done mail for a while, but we do get parcels that are over 16ozs. I also wonder if American Samoa is having the same problems?
 
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:37 am

The USPS will have no problem getting a replacement carrier. It's CO that'll suffer the revenue loss...The GUM-HNL and HNL-GUM route is CO's most successful route as indicated by Continental CEO Larry Kellner in an earlier press release to the company... and in the meantime...GUM residents will just have to find alternative methods to ship their goods to their families and friends in the mainland...
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, the problem is GUM-HNL. Kalitta only flies HNL-GUM, allowing no problem for mail headed to GUM. The only freighter flying GUM-HNL is Asia Pacific Airlines, flying 727Fs to HNL twice a week

That's unusual, but makes sense.
The flow of goods into Guam, is probably much greater than what it generates...what else does Guam produce besides people, and mail?

So if Kalitta only serves Guam from Honolulu, where does this flight return to if not Hawai'i?

What is the cargo consist of that this Asia Pacific sends to HNL?
Do they run the route in reverse?
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:57 am

they Go LAX-HNL-GUM-HKG-ANC-LAX
 
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:55 am

GUM/SPN ship/produce fresh fish (they ship tons of tuna to Japan)...garments for companies like Ann Taylor.Liz Claiborne, Polo, and Perry Ellis to name a few...theres a LOT of freight and mail coming out of Guam and the Northern Marianas Islands...
 
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:56 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
So if Kalitta only serves Guam from Honolulu, where does this flight return to if not Hawai'i?

This week's flight goes LAX-HNL-GUM-HKG-KHV-ANC-LAX. KHV is Khabarovsk.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
What is the cargo consist of that this Asia Pacific sends to HNL?

Fish, fish, and more fish. A lot of it is headed for out of state and Japan. Weird routing don't you think? MAJ-HNL-NRT and KIX, flying backwards to get fish to Japan.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
Do they run the route in reverse?

Yes, they do. The routing is GUM-MAJ-HNL and HNL-MAJ-GUM, with ROR sometimes scheduled between GUM-MAJ and PNI between MAJ-GUM.
 
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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:16 pm

It looks like until the USPS / TSA sort out this issue the US military will help move mail from Guam to Hawaii.

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RE: Continental Guam Refuses Usps Parcels Over 16 Oz.

Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:21 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Makes you wonder if the USPS could yank the entire mail contract over it.

No, because then CO would have a cause of action against the US Government for lost revenue, which of course both the TSA and the USPS are part of

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 16):
This week's flight goes LAX-HNL-GUM-HKG-KHV-ANC-LAX. KHV is Khabarovsk.

Winds or weights causing that?
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