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Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:54 am

There are some names for some things which seems strange. One of them is the name for the flight deck of an aircraft which is commonly called the 'cockpit'. Does anyone know where it got it's name? I don't think it has anything to do with a male chicken. If it does it that would be rather funny. I am sure there are other names and customs in aviation which seems strange if one does not know the reason or origin. I once started a trend in the tech ops section 'why does the captain sit on the left' and I learn't alot. It would be interesting to hear from knowledgeable a.netters about the origin of 'cockpit'. I am sure I will also hear from a few with a good sense of humor, just keep it clean please. Thanks.
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:58 am

Because Box Office was already taken....

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:59 am

LOL...

I found this...

Cockpit
The original sense of this term was a pit for fighting cocks. This sense appears around 1587. In 1599, Shakespeare used the term in Henry V to refer to the theater and specifically the area around the stage. The theatrical reference was his invention, obviously playing on the idea of a cockfight being a performance.

The nautical sense arose about 1700. It was not an open area, but rather a compartment below decks. Normally, it would be the sleeping quarters for junior officers, but in battle would be the hospital. This sense appears unrelated to the theatrical sense, and may have been chosen because junior officers lorded over the sailors like roosters or because of a physical resemblance to the space where chickens were kept. The nautical sense transferred to airplanes around 1914 and to cars in the mid-1930s.
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:02 am

It was probably coined by the first pervert flyer.
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:11 am

"Cockpit" male crew. "Box Office" female crew.  Smile



Well.......somebody had to.
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:17 am

Quoting Airbuff (Reply 2):
Cockpit
The original sense of this term was a pit for fighting cocks.

You ruined my whole day. I always thought it was because that is where you find the Joy-stick Big grin
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4):
"Cockpit" male crew. "Box Office" female crew.  



Well.......somebody had to.

haha. Clever...
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:47 am

Cockpit= Life and death decisions made on a daily basis
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting EWRATC (Reply 9):
Cockpit= Life and death decisions made on a daily basis

Thanks, Mr. Rain-on-our-parade...

George Carlin does a whole bit about the term cockpit. As you could probably imagine.
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:11 pm

because it's sort of rounded and pointy, like a co&%......
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:15 pm

Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 6):
He said COCK

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:20 pm

Concorde '79 -

Isabelle: You pilots are such... men.

Capt. Joe Patroni: Well, they don't call it a "cockpit" for nothing.


 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:53 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
"Settle down, Bevis! You're pissing me off, dude!"

u stole my thunder... LOL
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:40 am

OMG this thread is freaking hilarious!!!
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:42 am

Funniest thread for AGES  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:50 am

As Airbuff mentioned, started obviously as a nautical term. Much aviation terminology is actually copied over from nautical - port, startboard, cockpit, 'stowing luggage', boarding, etc.


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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:52 am

Did someone watch Family Guy this weekend? (there was a cockpit joke in the epsiode).
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:24 am

From George Carlin on Airplanes:

Quote:
Then they mention carry-on luggage, the first time I heard carry-on, I thought they were going to bring a dead deer on board. I thought what the hell do they need with that. Don't they have those little TV dinners anymore? Then I thought carry-on, carry-on, there's going to be a party. People are going to be carrying on, on the plane. Well, I don't care for that, I like a serious attitude on the plane, especially on the flight deck, which is the latest euphemism for COCKPIT. Can't imagine why they wouldn't want to use a lovely word like COCKPIT, can you? Especially with all those stewardesses going in and out of it all the time.

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:29 am

She was only a pilot's daughter
but she kept her cockpit clean,



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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 17):
As Airbuff mentioned, started obviously as a nautical term. Much aviation terminology is actually copied over from nautical - port, startboard, cockpit, 'stowing luggage', boarding, etc.

What about the sextant?
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:22 am

So, is "Flight Deck" the more politically correct/modern day term to be used now?
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:25 am

All you will need to do is listen to the CVR from AF358. Cocks in a Pit going at it.  Smile
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:26 am

I was thinking about the same thing watching Family Guy on Sunday.

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 25):
I was thinking about the same thing watching Family Guy on Sunday

We haven't got the new series over here yet. LOVE the show though - got it all on DVD up to series 3 so far. What's the joke? (Sure it won't be as funny 2nd hand but hey)
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:42 am

I thought it was an old term describing where the fuel cocks (selectors) were located. You know-turn the knobs to make the noisy things crank up then the props go 'round.
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:13 am

I have the exact opposite question: Why is the cockpit called a "flight deck"?

By the way, a flight deck is where the best pilots in the world take off and land. I'm not surprised that ordinary pilots pretend they are using a flight deck, they're jealous. 



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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 17):
Much aviation terminology is actually copied over from nautical - port, startboard, cockpit, 'stowing luggage', boarding, etc.

Whoa, did you deduce that all by yourself Mr Bond? And "startboard"?

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 22):
What about the sextant?

Actually, I read an article on flying the Bristol Britannia in the magazine "Airliners", and the pilot in the said that their navigator used a sextant when they flew over Africa back in the 50s/60s...

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:24 am

On the subject of the thread (or at least the subject that it has turned into), it was a DISASTER in my high school chemistry class a number of years ago when we had to use a device called a "stopcock" in order to start and stop the flow of liquid from a test tube. *rolls eyes*

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 7):
You ruined my whole day. I always thought it was because that is where you find the Joy-stick Big grin

That's why Airbus calls their controller a sidestick, because the joystick is something else...  Smile
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:10 am

Reminds me of my fav. joke from my AA days:

What's the difference between a condom and a cockpit?
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 26):
What's the joke? (Sure it won't be as funny 2nd hand but hey)

Brian (to girl): Oh yeah Peter does stupid stuff to get himself in trouble all the time. That's why he doesn't work for that airline anymore

*cuts to Peter in a captain's uniform with a copilot, piloting an airplane*
*f/a walks in with coffee*
Captain Peter: Thank you stewardess. Can you tell me where we are right now?
F/A: Um, on an airplane?
Captain Peter: No what is this room we're in?
F/A: The flight deck?
Captain Peter: No
F/A: The control room?
Captain Peter: *giggles* No!
F/A: The command center?
Captain Peter:*giggles* NO!
F/A: The cockpit?
Captain Peter (to copilot): HAHAHAHAHAHAHA see I told you I could get her to say it!
Captain Peter (to F/A): Ok get out of here

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting Doona (Reply 29):
...and the pilot in the said that their navigator ...

feel free to point out where I accidentally hit the button next to the 'R', after you've got your own grammar/spelling sorted...geesh!

...and I did deduce it all by myself, but thanks for asking.


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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 32):

Hehe that's awesome  Smile
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):
Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Why do the flight attendants run in and out of there all the time?
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:30 am

I wish the moderators wouldn't mess around with reply numbers when they delete a post. It makes it hard to check on quotes. For instance ZSOFN's Reply 32 is quoting Gigneil's Reply 32.
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 33):
Why do the flight attendants run in and out of there all the time?

To make sure the cock's feathers aren't ruffled
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:25 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 31):
feel free to point out where I accidentally hit the button next to the 'R', after you've got your own grammar/spelling sorted...geesh!

Goddamnit! Every single time I try to be the language nazi, I bungle it and make mistakes myself. Serves me right. Sorry for that, couldn't resist. Will in the future though...

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:41 pm

Quoting Airbuff (Reply 2):
The original sense of this term was a pit for fighting cocks. This sense appears around 1587. In 1599, Shakespeare used the term in Henry V to refer to the theater and specifically the area around the stage. The theatrical reference was his invention, obviously playing on the idea of a cockfight being a performance.

The fighting cock arena is the root of the term for aircraft rather than the nautical usage.

If you look at the early airplanes, the pilot's station was usually a circular (or nearly so) opening in the fuselage. It was similar to a fighting cock ring (or the Globe Theater for that matter) so the name was adopted and it stuck, at least in the English speaking world.
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:25 pm

We need your help in the cockpit.

What is it?

It is a little room at the front of the plane, but that isn't important right now.

-- Okay, Maybe not exactly accurate, but I always loved that explanation.

Now, back to the subject at hand, I must say that over the last 10 years or so, I have noticed the move from the term "cockpit" to "flight deck". The only time I tend to here "cockpit" used now is on small 19 seat turbo props. Some, like... the Jetstream 31 (I think), where you are basically sitting IN the cockpit with the pilot and copilot.

So, did anyone come up with a simple answer and I missed it?

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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:51 pm

I can only guess from the explanation from the nautical origin of the word and some of the replies to this trend that 'cockpit was used because it is a tight space similar to where chickens are kept. In addition most early pilots were men and early 'cockpits' sometimes had 3 or more of them cramped in this small space. A male chicken is sometimes referred to as a 'cock' so it is like having a bunch of males 'cocks' cramped in the 'pit'
 
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RE: Why Is The Flight Deck Called A "Cockpit"?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:56 pm

Sometimes you see cockpit as being something very enclosed (like on an F-16 or the first B-52 prototypes) which Flight Deck is a larger space like on an airliner.
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