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Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:24 am

According to the following article, S3 will update most of its fleet by adding 3 757s, 2 767s and 1 777 (Spanish):

http://www.diariodeavisos.com/diariodeavisos/content/29244/

757s will be used on regional routes; 767s and one 777 will be used on the European routes. They also plan to open flights to Portugal and Italy, given their great performance on Spanish routes.

Honestly, I don't know if this is true or it's just the same BS we've been hearing for years. Anyway, let's just hope this time it is for real.

I wonder what will be the future of the 727s. Will they keep them or not?. I suppose with 3 757s they could open at least two new destinations. What cities do you think S3 has its eyes on?
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:27 pm

I wont believe it, until I see it.

My guess is that the 757s will be used to start Maracaibo-Miami and to add more frecuencies to CCS-MIA.

The 722s will stay for flights to the andean community. The 767s will be used to fly to Portugal and TFN. The 772 will be used to MAD alongside one of the 763s.

If this becomes true, then SB will be the 2nd 777 operator in Latin America after Varig. My guess is that is an ex-United 772, one of those sitting in the desert.

I hope the best to Santa Barbara. They are my preffered airline to fly to Miami.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:47 pm

Good news for Santa Barbara.... will be great to see those 777 here in Italy... I flew just one time in S.B. between CCS-SCQ and I asked to a F/A if they will be change or renew their fleet... she told me in a nicely way that they were expecting for a 763 for the long haul routes but this thing happened early 90's finally they will receive the expected planes..... Cheers to S. Barbara
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:22 pm

Hola!

Well, the 767 story is getting quite old, but the idea excites me! However, I don't really think this is possible. As we know, taxes in Venezuela for this kind of operations are too high, and airlines are not able to pay this high amount of money, therefore, its very difficult to see some new aircraft in Venezuela.

Now, It would be more than great for us to have an airline with this kind of equipment, especially this wide bodied aircraft. Services to Italy would compete with AZ's monopoly, and Portugal's TAP.

Quoting B757200 (Thread starter):
What cities do you think S3 has its eyes on?

Well, I don't have any South American cities in mind, but seasonal cities could come here, such as New York, Cancun and Orlando. Also, I would stay with the 727's and keep using them in the domestic and international network.

With the 2 767s and the 777 I would go for Madrid, Rome/Milan, Paris CDG and London probably twice a week since BA dropped because of the low demand.

I think it's a great moment to develop the airline since I don't see Coviasa getting strong, which would be an important future competitor.

Now, we just have to wait and see what happens. Let's hope for the best.

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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:36 pm

Personally I like Santa barbaras DC10s. Long may they continue
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
Personally I like Santa Barbaras DC10s. Long may they continue

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Quoting 797 (Reply 3):
taxes in Venezuela for this kind of operations are too high

Didn't they lift those taxes a while ago? I believe one of us posted that news?
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting B757200 (Thread starter):
Honestly, I don't know if this is true or it's just the same BS we've been hearing for years. Anyway, let's just hope this time it is for real.

Nothing to add....

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
I hope the best to Santa Barbara.

Nothing to add....
BTW: Luis, what about our Mini-A.netter meeting on 22nd ? I am there !

Hola 797, Bienvenido ! Do you want to join us on 22nd ?

To the topic: as Luis said, it would be great for Venezuelan Aviation, but I doubt it will ever happen. The already announced that they will replace the DC10 in June 05 with 767 - nothing happened.

And: the performance on MAD-CCS is everything else than "great", it's poor ! So one more reason not to beleive it.

In case they add 757 for "regional" services, I would like to see MEX, BUE or/and SCL. I think the potential is there. And MEX was a former Avensa route.

Let's keep the fingers crossed.

AND Luis, please let me know if we meet on 22nd....
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
The 722s will stay for flights to the andean community.

what about starting new flights to BOG? If they could offer good connections to Europe the BOG flight could be successfully....

any chance that Santa Barbara could start flights to Germany? Or has only Aeropostal the rights for a flight, and the german-venezulean agreement do not allow another carrier?

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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:24 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
what about starting new flights to BOG? If they could offer good connections to Europe the BOG flight could be successfully....

You are totally right. They need a BOG flight if they finally want to be sucsesfull with European services. But - as you know - they need the point-to-point traffic for the yield, not only the connecting traffic. Otherwise the yield would kill them. And that's the problem: there are 3xdaily AV, 2 daily VH and 4 weekly V0, leaving no space for another player.
And I have heard from someone that had a VH flight on that route and he was very surprised about the great service they have.
So they would compete against very good products.
At the moment they are selling BOG in Spain with a great prorate given by VH. But I doubt that VH would renew the contract if S3 gets stronger.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
any chance that Santa Barbara could start flights to Germany? Or has only Aeropostal the rights for a flight, and the german-venezulean agreement do not allow another carrier?

This is a question for "Civilav", he knows EVERYTHING about traffic rights. But as far as I know it would be difficult for S3 to get them. At the moment VH has them and I would say IF the Government revokes them, then they do for Conviasa, not for S3. That's the reason why they try to keep within the former Avensa assigned routes to Spain, Portugal and Italy,
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:30 am

Haha, I told my dad about this new, and he literally laughed out loud! He said: Yeah, right!

I don't blaim him!

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 6):
Hola 797, Bienvenido ! Do you want to join us on 22nd ?

Epa, sure I'd love to join. Tell me about it personally!

Saludos

[Edited 2005-09-16 23:34:20]

[Edited 2005-09-16 23:34:58]
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:25 am

By the way, I just looked in the archive of EL UNIVERSAL, a Venezuelan paper, that on September 2004, the president of the company promissed to fly to Italy and Portugal (just as he is doing it now) but instead of using 3 757s, 2 767s and 1 777, he would use a MD-11. Right now there are no further news on any other Venezuelan site.

So, this makes me think that this is some more of "say but not do".

Let's wait for some more news.

Saludos!
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
You are totally right. They need a BOG flight if they finally want to be sucsesfull with European services. But - as you know - they need the point-to-point traffic for the yield, not only the connecting traffic. Otherwise the yield would kill them. And that's the problem: there are 3xdaily AV, 2 daily VH and 4 weekly V0, leaving no space for another player.

yes to offer good conection to BOG they need at least 2 daily flights. for the incoming and the outgoing traffic....

and as you mentioned the problem would be the sole for the flights, the locall passengers...

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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:40 pm

A B757 flight to MEX woudn't hurt! Santa Barbara is one of the few foreign carriers that I would love to see at my home airport.

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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:56 pm

If Santa Barbara start flt's to MEX it will be good news because I don't see a Venezuelan airline in MEX since a long time ago... and if the flt connect with US destinations will be more than great for the people of this beautiful Latin American country.... cheers Vic
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:34 am

Chigüire, (Reply 8)

You are quite right about the traffic rights to Germany being still (nominally) in the hands of Aeropostal. Current air agreement between Venezuela and Germany does not allow for multiple designations from either country, so it would just be one airline in each case.

As far as the paper article goes.. I would give it some credibility. González Yánez was quoted in the past as stating the airline was looking at the MD 11 for operations to Europe and there was a long thread here in this forum about it with my categoric statement that the B 767 would be the preferred plane. The days of the DC-10 are plainly numbered and Spain is adopting very stringent new security measures (a la FAA) which might mean Santa Barbara can no longer fly the plane regularly as it may fail to meet the new safety criteria - and there have been quite a few S3 related incidents at Spanish airports lately. Let us face it, the DC-10, no matter how lovely and what fond memories it evokes in many of us, is fit for retirement already.

I would definitely see Santa Barbara taking up the challenge of the ethnic market VIASA used to handle so well, of Portugal and Italy in addition to Spain.
Perhaps S3 will be the first airline to really take advantage of the new regulations and tax incentives allowed for under the provisions of the new Civil Aeronautics Law of June 23. About time too, that Venezuelan airlines be prompted to updated their very outdated fleets.

Regards from Cancun !
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:07 pm

Quoting Civilav (Reply 14):
I would definitely see Santa Barbara taking up the challenge of the ethnic market VIASA used to handle so well, of Portugal and Italy in addition to Spain.

it would be very godd if Alitalia and Tap would get some competition on there routes...
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:13 pm

Quoting Civilav (Reply 14):
would definitely see Santa Barbara taking up the challenge of the ethnic market VIASA used to handle so well, of Portugal and Italy in addition to Spain.

Haha, if they don't do it, then my future airline will!!!
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:23 am

Hey guys I was checking the aiports flight guide and it showed all all Santa Barbara flights cancelled for today Sunday (QUI, MIA, MAD)...anyone know what's going on?
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:58 am

350 passangers are stranded right now in MAD due to a breakdown of one of Santa Barbara's DC-10 . Apparently there's another aircraft in London being checked.

Here's more about it (sorry, only in Spanish):

TURISMO-TRANSPORTE AEREO
Unos 350 viajeros esperan Santa Bárbara flete avión volar Caracas
Madrid, 18 sep (EFE).- Unos 350 pasajeros de los vuelos del sábado y domingo entre Madrid y Caracas de Santa Bárbara esperan en un hotel a que la compañía flete un avión para poder llegar a su destino, tras ser canceladas estas rutas al averiarse esta madrugada en vuelo la aeronave con la que se iban a efectuar los trayectos.
Según manifestaron a Efe fuentes de la compañía, el avión con el que se iban a operar estas rutas esta averiado y la aerolínea logró hoy alquilar otra aeronave, "pero al ser domingo no había tripulación. Mañana, los 260 pasajeros del vuelo del sábado y los 90 del de hoy podrán realizar el viaje".
Por su parte, varios de los viajeros afectados comentaron a Efe que el vuelo 1333 de Santa Bárbara a Caracas de ayer tenía previsto despegar del aeropuerto de Barajas a las 11.00 horas pero fue retrasado, "primero nos dijeron que por problemas de rotación del avión y luego por avería".
La compañía trasladó a parte de los viajeros a un hotel cercano al aeropuerto, mientras que otro grupo decidió permanecer en Barajas hasta que a las 23.00 horas fueron embarcados en el avión.
"Llevábamos dos horas de viaje cuando el avión realizó dos bajadas bruscas, por lo que las azafatas recogieron las bandejas con comida que habían servido y poco después el comandante nos dijo por megafonía que regresábamos a Barajas porque el motor perdía aceite", señalaron.
El aeropuerto de Barajas activó la alerta local para que el avión efectuara el aterrizaje, situación que moviliza a bomberos, personal sanitario y Fuerzas de Seguridad del Estado de las instalaciones y la aeronave tomó tierra "sin problemas a las 02.45 horas".
Las fuentes de la aerolínea aseguraron a Efe que ofrecieron a los pasajeros el traslado a un hotel "para que pudieran descansar", aunque éstos se negaron y permanecieron en Barajas, donde pasaron la noche en la sala 1 de recogida de equipajes "como medida de presión para que la compañía solucione el problema".
A las 12.00 horas de hoy, tras presentar reclamaciones y protestar ante los responsables de la compañía, los viajeros decidieron trasladarse al hotel a la espera de que mañana la aerolínea disponga del avión y la tripulación necesarios para efectuar el viaje, cuya hora de salida todavía no está fijada.
Santa Bárbara tenía programado para hoy otro vuelo entre Madrid y Caracas con hora de salida a las 09.40 horas, que también fue cancelado y los viajeros trasladados al hotel.
La compañía indicó que "el avión alquilado para efectuar el trayecto es un Jumbo, con lo que mañana podrán viajar los pasajeros de los dos vuelos".
Según estas fuentes, Santa Bárbara tiene dos aviones para realizar las cinco conexiones semanales entre Madrid y Caracas y "en estos momentos uno de los aparatos está en mantenimiento en Londres y el otro es el que se averió esta madrugada".
La aerolínea indicó que todos sus aviones "cumplen todos los requisitos de seguridad" y manifestaron que para la compañía "lo más importante es salvaguardar la seguridad de los viajeros". EFE
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:06 am

This is the 5th DC10 failure in less than 30 days. I think SB must get new equipment inmediately if they wanna continue flying to Europe.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 18):
350 passengers are stranded right now in MAD due to a breakdown of one of Santa Barbara's DC-10 .

Santa Barbara has to react very very quick now. The authorities in Europe have a close eye on them.
If the problems (and this is not the first, but the third within some weeks), than we will find them blacklisted. This would be the end of this airline.
I hope they get some new aircraft soon and would recommend them to stop their European services meanwhile (it's low season anyway), but announce new services for X-mas with new equipment at the same time.

I am very surprised that some other services have been cancelled as well. Maybe most of the passengers to UIO and GYE were coming from MAD and they managed to rebook the other on alternate carriers.
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
And that's the problem: there are 3xdaily AV, 2 daily VH and 4 weekly V0, leaving no space for another player.

Its 4x daily by AV. They have the market snatched. 3x MD-83 plus 1x 767-300 compared to a mere 2x MD-80 by VH and 4xw 733 by V0. AV control CCS-BOG. It would be nice to see new competition, as the fares are very high. AV is the cheapest carrier and fares are around US$270 for an hour and a half flight!
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
Its 4x daily by AV

but not year arround... or?
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:09 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
Its 4x daily by AV. They have the market snatched. 3x MD-83 plus 1x 767-300 compared to a mere 2x MD-80 by VH and 4xw 733 by V0.

Hold it there. AV does have the market snatched, but they don't fly 4x daily.

The fourth daily frequency was announced and was loaded to all reservation systems upon arrival of N836RA, but it never materialised. Now the extra-capacity provided by N836RA is being used, in part, flying the second daily frequency to LIM.




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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:05 am

Ideed! Wow they advertised it a lot and it never happened! God i havent been checking the schedules lately.


Anyway, good luck to S3. That try of national carrier you have, VH, is a pity. S3 should buy them and consolidate as the large national airline.
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:36 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):

Its 4x daily by AV. They have the market snatched. 3x MD-83 plus 1x 767-300 compared to a mere 2x MD-80 by VH and 4xw 733 by V0. AV control CCS-BOG. It would be nice to see new competition, as the fares are very high. AV is the cheapest carrier and fares are around US$270 for an hour and a half flight!

Dont forget AR and LAB also fly the route because they were both granted 5th freedom rights.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:11 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):
Wow they advertised it a lot and it never happened!

Actually, they didn't.

AV makes a press release for literally everything; and the planned fourth daily CCS service was never publicly announced by the airline.

All the fuss was made by ourselves here in the forum, but, in reality, the flight disappeared from schedules as silently as it appeared.



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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
AV is the cheapest carrier and fares are around US$270 for an hour and a half flight!

This is not correct.
First of all we must not forget LB. They are operating 2xweekly services and they are the cheapest:
LB 196
V0 196
AV 242
VH 243 (Internet from 180)

And I do not consider these fares as "high". And there is enough, even maybe too much competition. I hope we don't come to have a market like in the US. The airlines need to cover their costs.
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:34 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):
Anyway, good luck to S3. That try of national carrier you have, VH, is a pity. S3 should buy them and consolidate as the large national airline.

That would be more than gret but I seriously doubt that S3 can afford that purchase. On the other hand, Aeropostal's president believes that his airline ia something wonderful... ha!

S3 must do something soon to put everything in together. All those passengers stuck at MAD, surely won't tell good stories about the airline, and that's something S3 should avoid. They need a good image, and this way, is the opposite one....

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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:02 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 26):
Actually, they didn't.

There wer HUGE adevertisements in Semana, El Tiempo and Avianca En Revista, which features a 4 leaved trefoil and showed the schedules! There were even radio commercials in La W...
 
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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 29):
There wer HUGE adevertisements in Semana

I would like to know specifically which one of the 4/5 editions of Semana during the month of May had these huge ads, because I sincerely didn't see them.



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RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:13 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 29):
There wer HUGE adevertisements in Semana, El Tiempo and Avianca En Revista, which features a 4 leaved trefoil and showed the schedules! There were even radio commercials in La W...

You know what? I took the time to closely search in each of the following Semana editions to finally see if all these "sources" of yours are really true. Just as I thought, pure and vulgar rubbish.

  • Semana edition 1.198. April 18th to 25th of 2005.


  • Semana edition 1.199. April 25th to May 2nd of 2005.


  • Semana edition 1.200. May 2nd to May 9th of 2005.


  • Semana edition 1.201. May 9th to May 16th of 2005.


  • All editions above were published around the dates when the flight to CCS was loaded into schedules.

    Guess how many HUGE ads about the 4th daily flight to CCS? NONE

    Only two ads related to AV: one promoting low-fares on Business Class to Miami and New York on edition 1.200; another announcing the code-share agreement with IB in edition 1.201. Full stop there.

    Next time, just try to not disacredit other user's point just for the sake of doing it, much less if you have no bases to support it, and even less if you cannot even come up with a decent, unprovable lie.  sarcastic 




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    RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

    Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:39 am

    Quoting Chiguire (Reply 20):
    I hope they get some new aircraft soon and would recommend them to stop their European services meanwhile (it's low season anyway), but announce new services for X-mas with new equipment at the same time.

    Thats a very good idea! Does an A310s or a B762s mad the flight from CCS to MAD? No other "new" longhaul aircraft are avaible at the moment. But there is also the N487CT (a former RG B767-300), this aircraft could be for Conviasa.

    Quoting Chiguire (Reply 20):
    Santa Barbara has to react very very quick now. The authorities in Europe have a close eye on them.
    If the problems (and this is not the first, but the third within some weeks), than we will find them blacklisted. This would be the end of this airline.

    I hope that this not would happen.

    I heard that S3 starts leisure flight from Basle to Porlamar and Caracas. Is this correct?!?
     
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    RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

    Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:44 am

    Quoting Viasa (Reply 33):

    I heard that S3 starts leisure flight from Basle to Porlamar and Caracas. Is this correct?!?

    What ? Really ? I didn' t hear that. Wasn't that Edelweiss together with Belair ? I just remember that they wanted to make a GRZ-PMV this summer but it was cancelled due to low demand.

    Quoting Viasa (Reply 33):

    Thats a very good idea! Does an A310s or a B762s mad the flight from CCS to MAD? No other "new" longhaul aircraft are avaible at the moment.

    Sure ? No more planes in the desert ? The A310 would make it to MAD, although it is not ideal because of the little cargo it can take on such a flight. This would only be a short-therm solution.
     
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    Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:07 am

    Quoting Chiguire (Reply 34):
    What ? Really ? I didn' t hear that


    Yes, I heard that two weeks ago. But I'm not sure!

    Quoting Chiguire (Reply 34):
    Sure ? No more planes in the desert ? The A310 would make it to MAD, although it is not ideal because of the little cargo it can take on such a flight. This would only be a short-therm solution.

    I think that an A330-200 or a B767-300 is the best solution for S3. There are other airlines who need also this planes.
     
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    RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

    Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:24 am

    I think they should stay with the 757/767 maybe some 737NG for regional and national flights.
    I must say that it would be sad to say goodbye to the DC-10 in Venezuela,since the good old days of Viasa.

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    RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

    Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:00 am

    Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 36):
    I must say that it would be sad to say goodbye to the DC-10 in Venezuela,since the good old days of Viasa

    Yes it will, but as we can see, it's time for it...

    Quoting Viasa (Reply 35):
    I think that an A330-200 or a B767-300 is the best solution for S3. There are other airlines who need also this planes.

    If they definitely choose to go for the 767s along with the 757s they have, then I vote for the Boeing fleet. However, I don't think 737NGs would work well in Venezuela, they are quite big for the Venezuelan market demand. I'd go for something smaller...(ERJs)   

    On the other hand, I really hope to see some 763s and not some older metal, such as 762s, and of course, no more MDs... we have plenty of them in Venezuela!

    Saludos!

    [Edited 2005-09-20 22:01:41]
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    Chiguire
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    RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

    Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:35 am

    Quoting Viasa (Reply 35):
    I think that an A330-200 or a B767-300 is the best solution for S3.

    The A330 is much to sophisticated for S3 I think. The 767 is more classic in terms of technics.
    So IF the manage to improve the fleet it would be the 767 I am quite sure.

    Quoting 797 (Reply 37):
    I'd go for something smaller...(ERJs)

    Yes, definetly, they would be great and very efficent for a lot of routes. So I wonder why no airline has gone for that.
     
    RCS763AV
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    RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

    Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:11 pm

    Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 32):
    Just as I thought, pure and vulgar rubbish.



    Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 32):
    Semana edition 1.198. April 18th to 25th of 2005.


    Semana edition 1.199. April 25th to May 2nd of 2005.


    Semana edition 1.200. May 2nd to May 9th of 2005.


    Semana edition 1.201. May 9th to May 16th of 2005.

    IN CASE YOU ARE BLIND; JUNE AND JULY I SAID.

    Im not didcussing this anymore look into every semana you want you will find the ads....
     
    Southamerica
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    RE: Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?

    Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:32 pm

    Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 39):
    IN CASE YOU ARE BLIND; JUNE AND JULY I SAID.

    Right. In June and July the flights were already out of schedules. Once again, good job buddy.



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