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Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:33 pm

Indonesia's Garuda signs $2 bln deal with Boeing
Fri Sep 16, 2005 05:23 AM ET
JAKARTA, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Indonesian state airline Garuda Indonesia has signed a $2 billion deal with Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) to buy 28 passenger aircraft, the local carrier said on Friday.
The airline said in a statement it would buy 18 narrow body 737-800s and 10 787-800s, with the first delivery of the 737s by next year. Garuda said the deal was signed on Sept. 15 in New York, and witnessed by visiting Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:37 pm

That is one I didn't expect. Well done to Boeing and Garuda and good to see another carrier order the 787  Wow!

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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:38 pm

Interesting news. But what happened to the 18 B737-700 and 6 B777-200ER which the airline ordered some time ago? Is the new order a replacement?


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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:50 pm

Quoting Udo (Reply 2):
Interesting news. But what happened to the 18 B737-700 and 6 B777-200ER which the airline ordered some time ago? Is the new order a replacement?

They still show outstanding.

Since the 777s were ordered in 1996 and the 737s in 1999, one would think that this would replace those orders.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:51 pm

Way to go Boeing and Garuda

Quoting Udo (Reply 2):
But what happened to the 18 B737-700 and 6 B777-200ER

What has happened to this order?
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:53 pm

Well, it's either a cancellation or an additional order... We don't know.

Regardless, good to see that the current board has restored the financial community's confidence in Garuda.

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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:56 pm

Very good news for Indonesian aviation. Congratulation for Boeing (although I personally prefer to see more Toulouse birds with GA's livery). HB-IWC, Mandala499, I wait for your comments.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:05 pm

Congratulations to both Boeing and Garuda.
I too was not expecting this order. Do we have any dates as to when the first batch of B787-800 start to arrive?

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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:23 pm

I read a story about this on Yahoo news where they said that the eighteen 738 will replace Garuda's current four 734. Is this correct? If so, this is what I really call a mega-replacement!
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:27 pm

Quoting RedChili (Reply 8):
Is this correct? If so, this is what I really call a mega-replacement!

Garuda currently operates 26 B737-400, 17 B737-300 and 5 B737-500.


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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:28 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
What has happened to this order?

The 737-800s are the same ones which have been on order for yonks. A little bird tells me that Garuda will probably dump the 777s.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:34 pm

This deal had been in the making since April of this year, when a high level Boeing delegation visited Garuda's headquarters in Jakarta. B738s had long been in the picture, and B788s have been added at that point in time. Details of the deal have been further worked out over the past couple of months, for a signing to coincide with Indonesia's President's visit to the US earlier this year, but as an agreement was not reached, the signing was postponed until the President's current US visit for the UN General Assembly.

As for the details of the agreement, the first batch of B738s will arrive next year and gradually replace 5 leased B733s (PK-GGS/T/U/V/W) to start with. Later B738 deliveries are designed for growth and will allow Garuda to increase its regional offerings.

As for the longhaul component of this deal, it was expected that further information on the B772ER order combined with information on the future of the B744s at Garuda would be released at the same time. Either this information has not yet come through, or there have been last minute changes, but it looks as if the B772ER still has a future with Garuda whereas the B744s will likely be phased out. It seems also more and more unlikely that we'll see additional A333s joining Garuda's fleet.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:35 pm

Good news. I think the 738s, 772s and 787s will make a much more efficient fleet. Sad to see the DC10s finally go though - they are gorgeous looking birds.
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:59 pm

Quoting Backfire (Reply 10):
A little bird tells me that Garuda will probably dump the 777s.

Word in the company is that the 772s would be taken up anyway.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
Sad to see the DC10s finally go though - they are gorgeous looking birds.

The last 2 DC10s have been withdrawn from service on MArch 31st of this year.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:28 pm

Good news to Garuda and Boeing.

Some years ago I think Garuda had a flight to Spain. Would be great to be able to see Garuda's 787 back in MAD!

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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:53 pm

Quoting HEGAN (Reply 14):
Would be great to be able to see Garuda's 787 back in MAD!

Don't hold your breath on that one. A return to Europe is definitely in the cards, but Amsterdam and London are topping the list. Frankfurt, Paris and Zurich are considered second priority.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting Shenzhen (Thread starter):
10 787-800s

Is that what they are now (i.e. Boeing bowing to the inevitable) or is it just bad journalism?
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:58 pm

Great news for both!

I hope this order is in addition to the aforementioned 777's on order. Here is another article on it:

Indonesia Garuda Signs $2 Billion Fleet Upgrade Deal With Boeing



Friday September 16, 4:15 AM EDT


JAKARTA -(Dow Jones)- Indonesia's flag carrier PT Garuda Indonesia and U.S. aircraft manufacturer Boeing Co. (BA) (BA) signed a $2 billion deal Thursday to modernize the company's fleet, Garuda said in a statement Friday.

Under the deal, Garuda will operate 18 Boeing (BA) 737-800s by 2006 to replace its five 737-400s. It will also operate 10 Boeing (BA) 787 Dreamliners by 2013, the statement said.

Garuda said the move to operate the Dreamliner is in line with the company's aim to modernize its fleet to make it more competitive and cost-efficient.

The statement said the Dreamliner will use 20% less fuel than today's comparable aircraft, while providing up to 45% more cargo revenue capacity.

The 787 family will carry passengers on routes between 3,500 and 8,500 nautical miles (6,500 to 16,000 kilometers), Garuda said, without elaborating.

Boeing (BA) plans to debut the Dreamliner with a maiden flight scheduled for 2007, with certification, delivery and entry into service in 2008.

The carrier currently operates 57 Boeing (BA) aircraft of various models.


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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
Word in the company is that the 772s would be taken up anyway.

Well...I'm not going to argue...but there's at least one news report this morning quoting Garuda as saying the 777s (which it has already tried to swap-out once) are probably being dumped this time.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:07 pm

I am extremely relieved that the original order of 777 and 73Gs have finally got a boost in the arm with this... even if this deal replaces it, this is more believable than former CEO Indra Setiawan's rants to the press about getting more 737s and eventually NGs...

This is probably another GECAS deal... GA looks hard pressed to meet the commitments to the ECA for the 6 A330s and the 3 on option... All that money pumped into the A330 payments and the maintenance program is good... but unlikely that GA wanna get more of them unless there's significant FURTHER improvements to its bottom line.

HB-IWC, where will the 5 733s go? *Not Citilink I hope*... let me know... I am "very curious"  Smile

As HB-IWC said, looks like a formal statement by GA on the overall deferred/outstanding orders situation is due soon.

As to the return to Europe, it'll definitely be LGW and AMS as the first destinations... FRA would probably be a stop to LGW... as for anything else, the 2nd tier haven't really changed much...
FRA leading the 2nd tier, CDG and ZRH...

Then it's FCO, but MAD is unfortunately below that and "quite far down the list"... according to the pre2002 long term plans... (thanks Ro-Djo).

Originally the 777s were slated for Europe routes, but with the 787s in the picture and the DC10 and 742s all but flying in GIA, I guess that plan is up the creek too!

I expect major route-aircraft changes to the current arrangements.

The 787 family will carry passengers on routes between 3,500 and 8,500 nautical miles (6,500 to 16,000 kilometers), Garuda said, without elaborating.

This will basically either:
1. Kill the A333 off GA's fleet and the 744...
2. Kill the 772ER off GA's fleet and the 744...

Taking a banker's approach into this, it looks like the 787 will replace the 772ER order (how else will it be financed this quick into the current turnaround?)... If it's really 16,000km, then it's CGK/DPS-Europe direct... Looks like the A333 will be relegated to "people mover" duties... doing the M-E routes, DPS-Aussie routes and the North Asia/Japan routes could start receiving the 787s... to better suit the aircraft config with the route (honestly, an A330 with 42 C class to Adelaide won't fill up, and a 744 with less than 30 C class seats to NRT won't reap you the dividends the 744 should give you...).

At least this confirms that GA still has the brains and power to put Lion's PR down from the top spot in the Indonesian Airlines' PR charts  Smile

Official word from Garuda at the moment http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/news/detail.php?p_id=50

But 787s in at 2013? Well, the NGs may cover the regional A330 routes like HKG and CAN for the moment...

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Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:13 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Is that what they are now (i.e. Boeing bowing to the inevitable) or is it just bad journalism?

Bad journalism - it's still the 787-8
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:57 pm

Congratulations Garuda and well done to the Amazing 787!
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:13 am

"and reaffirmed its long-awaited intention to take 18 Boeing 737-800s

[...]

Garuda adds that the signing of the agreement is a “further elaboration” of a previous contract between the two companies for Boeing 777-200ER aircraft.

This 777-200ER order has also been long-deferred and it remains unclear whether Garuda still intends to take the jets."

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:29 am

Something I predicted a little while back before I joined A.net


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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 23):
Something I predicted a little while back before I joined A.net

Is it really a "prediction" if you are part of the legions of people who modify airliner photos (into just about every imaginable permutation) for kicks?
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 24):
Is it really a "prediction" if you are part of the legions of people who modify airliner photos (into just about every imaginable permutation) for kicks?

Erm, I only occasionaly add to the MAP database. And usualy only once I have illustrated something to go along with a prediction or order announcement.

I am insulted by your accusation that I do this just for kicks.
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:02 am

likely replacing the 777s. 787s make more sense for an airline that doesn't have wide bodies now, right?

This is more a "conversion" than an order it would seem. Look for net canceled 73X order and 777 order on the B page soon.
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:07 am

What do you mean by "doesn't have wide bodies now"? Garuda has A330s and 747s.
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 24):
Quoting GARPD (Reply 23):
Something I predicted a little while back before I joined A.net

Is it really a "prediction" if you are part of the legions of people who modify airliner photos (into just about every imaginable permutation) for kicks?

Modified airliner photos are mostly illustrated predictions of some sort or another. What's wrong with that?

And what's wrong with making modified airliner photos for kicks? I like looking at modified airliner photos (into just about every imaginable permutation) for kicks!

Aeronautical engineers and designers do similar things on the drawing boards too. It's perfectly okay and fun to imagine.

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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:59 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 17):
Under the deal, Garuda will operate 18 Boeing (BA) 737-800s by 2006 to replace its five 737-400s.



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 19):
HB-IWC, where will the 5 733s go? *Not Citilink I hope*... let me know... I am "very curious"

The first batch of B738s will replace a couple of leased in B733s and not 734s as the press statement mentioned. PK-GGS/T/U/V/W are the oddlballs in Garuda's already eclectic fleet, and are indeed slated to join Citilink as soon as they're released from Garuda. PK-GHQ/R are to follow later in time. As for 733s, Garuda will hold on to PK-GGG/N/O/P/Q/R, all aircraft which have been originally delivered to the company.

Quoting Backfire (Reply 18):
Well...I'm not going to argue...but there's at least one news report this morning quoting Garuda as saying the 777s (which it has already tried to swap-out once) are probably being dumped this time.

I acknowledge that everything regarding the B772s is still up in the air. I was just reflecting word in the company about a week ago, which said that Garuda would take the 772s anyway, and that the 744s would get the axe. Things tend to change very fast at Garuda, though, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if a new scenario eventually comes up. Also, as with any big announcement in Indonesia, even for this B788 order, I'll believe it when I actually see it.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:09 pm

Good one Garuda and Boeing...

By the way do anyone think by the time the 787 came Garuda will also update their livery??  Smile

just a thought...
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:11 pm

Quoting A330341 (Reply 31):
By the way do anyone think by the time the 787 came Garuda will also update their livery

Very unlikely to happen. The current livery is not that old and is positively received by the public. I find it still quite appealing, even aften a couple of years in Indonesia looking at it on a daily basis.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 27):
What do you mean by "doesn't have wide bodies now"? Garuda has A330s and 747s.

Sorry, misunderstood Udo's reply in 9. Made it sound like they only fly 737s right now.

As never seeing a Garuda plane or flying them, I don't know too much about them other than they have a lame duck 777 order on the books.
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 29):
Modified airliner photos are mostly illustrated predictions of some sort or another. What's wrong with that?

And what's wrong with making modified airliner photos for kicks? I like looking at modified airliner photos (into just about every imaginable permutation) for kicks!

I never said there was anything wrong with it. I am just saying that the people who create the modified airliner photos and then use them as a portent are really more like broken clock syndrome.
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:11 am

GAs B 788s are the perfect aircraft size and range wise to fly from CGK to LGW, YVR nonstop as well as DPS-LGW/AMS/CDG/SYD/MEL nonstop which would be catering to the massive tourism market from the EU/UK/Australia bound for Bali-DPS.

By flying B 788s nonstop CGK-YVR, it can prove to be a very attractive option especially if easy connections to India are available both ways.
 
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RE: Garuda Anounces 18 737-8 / 10 787-8 Order

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:49 am

Garuda clarifies its position: B772s NOT to join the fleet

After about two weeks of contradictory information within the company, it has now transpired that the B772 orders is off the table. As such the B787-8 deal is nothing else than a renegotiated package for the 772s which had been delayed repeatedly, but were slated to join the company starting in 2006.

It seems more and more the case, that the Garuda management has opted for the B787-8 mainly because it was the only way to further delay ite previous commitment to Boeing. The 788s will be joining the fleet effective 2011, which gives the airline extra breathing space of about 5 years to get its act in order.

Also, as previously discussed, the B738s in this package are a reconfirmation of an earlier deal. As such, this entire announcement seems actually nothing more than a rehash of previous commitments and underscores ones more the dire state of Garuda's finances.

It is sad to see that the airline, for the forseeable future will have to maintain a medium and longhaul network with an fleet of just 9 widebody airframes (3 B744s and 6 A333s), one of which is regularly dispatched for government VVIP travel arrangements. As said before, previously announcements regarding the addition of further A333 frames seems today as far of as ever.

I tend to be pessimistic about this order. Six years (the period remaining until the first B788 airframe is expected to joing Garuda's fleet) is a very long period in Indonesian corporate culture. Garuda could very well see three or four sets of managements teams within that timeframe, each with its own ideas on the airline's fleet composition.

As I stated before, I'll believe it when I witness the induction of the first airframe in the Garuda fleet.